Da Bears Blog goes on vacation this week. Not actually going anywhere but packing up my belongings and moving for the hallowed grounds of Brooklyn, New York. We'll return Monday with a gangbuster of a column, I promise.
Needless to say I have not taken defeat well and unfortunately - at least in my case - the little red laser is pointed directly at Rex Grossman's forehead. With every day that's gone by since the 4th I have become more enraged by his performance. I know there are many who support him and they have reason to do so. He's young. He won however many games this year. He's a tough kid with great potential.
But the Bears have too much talent on this roster to experiment another year with a young, immature player at quarterback. Do I want Rex cut? No. But I'm sick and tired of the excruciating mantra that drifts from Halas Hall like a downwind fart: Rex is our quarterback. No. Right now Rex is not your quarterback. He's certainly not mine. If #8 is the guy on opening day he better have earned it over the summer.
Because the blame isn't his anymore. If he fails this team and its fans again, the blame is placed squarely on the shoulders of Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith for allowing this nonsense to continue. When a player isn't great, it is on the player. When a player is allowed to be a perpetual letdown, it is on those allowing him to do so.
I want a battle in training camp. And I want Rex Grossman to lose. Like I said...I'm not taking this well at all.
See ya'll Monday.
#2 Bears fan in CA said . . .I think the old saying goes, "be careful what you wish for."
February 12, 2007
#3 CutCo said . . .I watched "Inside the NFL" Super Bowl edition last night, since I've always loved that they show you what the players were saying on the field and the sidelines. I thought I was ready to watch those last 2 interceptions from an analytical perspective. I wasn't. I scrambled for the "fast forward" button on the Tivo remote like a drowning man for a life preserver.
February 13, 2007
#4 Hoge said . . .Suppose Rex has watched them yet or is he too busy regressing?
February 13, 2007
#5 Max said . . .the Giants cut Arrington....maybe he can come to Chicago and play QB.
February 13, 2007
#6 Midway Monster said . . .Man, I was really disappointed in the way Arrington's carrier has gone. I liked him when he played for Penn State. Guy is just to selfish.
Gurantee he would try to take off and run if he was the QB though. . . Although i guess that would cut back on the INT's.
February 13, 2007
#7 Midway Monster said . . .Max - Arrington is a NFL rover line backer. He never follows a game plan and is often out of position. Yeah he is a great athlete & was great at Penn State, but not diciplined in the NFL at all.
--Midway--
(in rehab, getting in touch with my inner child)February 13, 2007
#8 Pissed off said . . .Dumb question for you all. How do NFL schedules work? looking at the Bears site (http://www.chicagobears.com/news/FutureOpponents.html) seems like the teams we play are captured thru 09.
--Midway--
February 13, 2007
#9 Heywood Jublomey said . . .Sorry your not taking it well Jeff, take a deep breath. Things are gonna get quiet around here for the next week or so for sure. I just want it to be draft day.
February 13, 2007
#10 Bill said . . .Jeff-
We're all disappointed about the Bears losing, but it IS just a game. I hope you're not letting it affect other parts of your life.
It might do you well to try to appreciate what a fun season this was, rather than harping on the unfortunate conclusion.
February 13, 2007
#11 mikebdot said . . .Bears Fan in CA:
What were xome of the comments you heard on the NFL films highlights? Is it true - as Peter King said - that Thomas Jones said "C'mon Rex, make a play!" right before the first INT?February 13, 2007
#12 mikebdot said . . .The scenario in which I don't want to see is essentially a repeat of this season. I don't want a good showing in the first few games of the season and then his performance to slowly get worse as the year goes on. I would obviously prefer one of two scenarios:
1. He sucks coming out of the gate, Griese is our savior. If this happens and Lovie has not received a contract extension for some reason (please correct me if he already has and I just missed the boat), there will be a big push to remove him from that position as many will argue why this was not done this past year...not necessarily a good argument as Rex did show promise, especially on the film that they always brought up...
2. He turns into Joe Montana (as even Pissed Off has admitted he is not) by some miracle of nature and wins 4 of the next 8 super bowls and retires into the hall of fame...
Any other scenario will just be entirely frustrating...even the one where Griese comes in and sucks it up slightly better...
February 13, 2007
#13 Phil from SATX said . . .Obviously scenario 2 is hyperbole and I would be satisfied with a strong showing throughout the year (very few fumbles and less than 15 picks)
February 13, 2007
#14 Pissed off said . . .As a certified member of the post-Super Bowl Remove Rex club, I am going to take his side today after reading an exellent article by Neil Hayes in the Sun-Times today titled Rx for Rex.
It includes these quotes about the Bears' offensive scheme (the following six paragraphs are copied from the article):
"Troy Aikman and Young always seemed to have a tight end over the middle and a back in the flat. You think of Joe Montana, and you think of easy-to-complete slant patterns. Dan Marino always seemed to be able to complete sideline patterns.
What is the Bears' signature pass play? Not only does Grossman not have a go-to receiver, but he doesn't have a go-to route or even a consistent safety valve. The Bears' bread-and-butter pass play is a bomb to Berrian. That's not a high-percentage pass.
The Bears talk about being a running team, but that can't be their identity when they rank 15th in rushing offense. This was a passing team early in the season, and the passing game's inconsistency wasn't always Grossman's fault.
The Bears' scheme didn't always give him the option of completing higher-percentage passes. Rarely do the Bears throw slants, for example. Easy-to-complete screen passes can be an effective counter to pressure, but the Bears rarely screen.
''You've got to have screens, gadgets and a good tight end,'' said one NFC player personnel director who spoke on the condition of anonymity. ''They need more options. With a young guy, you need all the options you can get.''
The Bears throw deep effectively. Otherwise, the emphasis of their passing game seems to change from week to week, which makes it more difficult for Grossman to get into a rhythm and maintain consistency."
End of quote.
I find this to be extremely compelling stuff, and it is partly exculpatory to Grossman and entirely an indictment of Ron Turner. During the Super Bowl, I kept seeing The Greatest QB of All Time throwing the easiest of dump off passes for positive yardage and wondering, why can't we be doing that? We have great running backs who can catch the ball, a great little fullback who can catch the ball, a #1 receiver who seems to always be open on the slant and usually catch the ball, tight ends with good hands, why are we always trying to do the hard stuff? The answer must be because of Turner's offensive scheme. The passage about the inconsistency of the game plan from week to week also resonated.
No doubt Rex has lots of other work to do on his fundamentals, but I have to wonder how much Turner has been hurting him.
Still would like to add a free agent and cut Orton though. What do you think about the possibility of adding Archuleta as free agent safety?
February 13, 2007
#15 Hoge said . . .I think some of us need to take a step back and look at the big picture. We won 13 regular season games and 2 more playoff games. Think of all the joy those wins gave us. The highs when Rex looked like the next Montana, when the D looked shades of 85. There were some great moments and I'll take it opposed to the alternative (Oakland, Tampa, etc.) 10 out of 10 times.
Remember we are in the same boat as evey other NFL fan out there except those fans of Indy. We were awesome this year and it was so fun to brag up my team to my friends and family. It was 5 months of bliss. And we get to look forward to it again next year when we will be a great team again. Probably at least 11 wins again and more playoff football. So one day (the SB) cant ruin our whole season, C'mon people look at the good that this season had too, not just the bad.
February 13, 2007
#16 Windyyy said . . .The Bears just need a QB who doesn't make them worse.
February 13, 2007
#17 Chi Town Delight said . . .It's hard to be excited about the future when the future holds a midget QB with terrible footwork and even worse decision making...he's in over his head.
February 13, 2007
#18 beardown1982 said . . .I had a dream last night that I was watching a Bears preseason game and Donovan McNabb was our QB....man was I upset when I woke up. Imagine Donovan on this stacked team...we'd be unstoppable on the offensive side of the ball, as well as the defensive side of the ball. But for now, I'll just be realistic and will have to pull for the "pick man" himself Rex Grossman.
February 13, 2007
#19 Bill said . . .Did anyone catch the Reilly story on the back page of SI. He pretty much hands Rex his ass. Saying that we might see Rex as our server at the Olive Garden next season. He was absolutely brutal. I know the guy played another terrible game at the worst time...but damn. Some people make it seem like Rex does it on purpose or something. As mad as I was about his performance...the Bears had no business even being in the game heading into the 4th quarter. The Colts ended up having the ball for most of the games and outgained us big time. It was a total team loss...it's just that his performance put the exclamation on it.
I thought Reilly took it way too far...
February 13, 2007
#20 jdawg said . . .Beardown1982 -
I realize that some writers may have resentment towards players making their huge salaries; but that type of venom is usually saved for guys who are essentially jerks (like T.O.) Rex - for all his frustrating inconsistency - is not a jerk by any means. So I'm really puzzled by the outright mean and nasty things being written about him.Does anyone have any ideas? Please don't respond with "because he sucks" or anything like that. A lot of players that suck don't get this type of treatment.
I seriously wonder if a lot of writers took the Bears and the points.
February 13, 2007
#21 jdawg said . . .to Phil, post 13:
Turner has a boner because Grossman has a surface-to-air missle launcher attached to his right shoulder. Turner was happy to call 3-5 deep bombs a game because Grossman could throw it that far and it could get the 8th man out of the box.
The result was some spectacular completions, but also a lot of 2nd and 10s. Grossman was in his first full season and should have been schooled on completing the safe and easy passes.
He needs some good coaching and a better all-around game plan next season.
February 13, 2007
#22 G-Train said . . .It is a little puzzling the venom directed towards Rex. Most of the writers who say they actually know him describe him as a good guy who shoots pretty straight (comment-wise).
This all may be a result of the cauldron of skeptics and backers who reached a fever-pitch before training camp even began. Over at the Bears site forum Rex dominated discussions. Those who liked him thought he was going to be our first great QB in 40 years. The skeptics thought he'd sabotage "Bears football" with his arm and love of the big pass play. On top of that I can't think of a QB who's gone through the strange journey he has in their first 4 years -- 2 major injuries and then a trip to the SB.
I think the term "first full season" can't be stressed enough.
Anyway, I hope the debate wears itself out by August, but I doubt it.
p.s. don't forget he called some sportswriters ignorant. I'm not a rocket scientist but I think that could have pissed them off.
February 13, 2007
#23 Bill said . . .I still think the Bears coaches are the ones at fault. They played not to lose instead of playing to win. Look how tentative we looked all game. We hadn't played like that all year.
February 13, 2007
#24 Pissed off said . . .Ah yes - the "ignorant" comment. I don't know how I forgot that, but I'm sure that's it. Even though the story was getting overdoe e- the criticsm he was getting was valid. the 1.3 and 0.0 passer rating games were real, unnessecary, and very "un-Super -like". So the writers probably felt they were doing their jobs - and that the "rule" is for the player to take it - or back up any objection they have to it on the field.
When Rex said "writers are ignorant" and "the're trying to sell newspapers" - I recall an internet columnist making fun of him, saying that he's criticized Rex and he doesn't write for a newspaper. That people on TV have criticized him and they don't sell papers. (Of course, Rex's "trying to sell papers" was not meant to be that specific.) But the guy's sarcasm so was clear you coudl tell he was pissed at Rex.
The media takes abuse from the players - remember the story earlier this year about the "tradition" in the locker room during the week of harrassing the reporters when the interview time is up? I don't recall who it was (Telander?) but one felt physically threatened and actually beleived the day woudl come when a reporter woudl get physically harmed.
So there may be a lot of tension between the media and the players, and coupled with Rex's "ignorant" comment - they are getting back.
February 13, 2007
#25 Chi Town Delight said . . .Hoge, windy and chitown are probably the same person and want us to think there are more Rex haters than there really are. Why are you guys acting like your used to superstar QB play? Answer the question, please humor me. Do it. Whats been better the past 13 years. Dont dance, just answer.
February 13, 2007
#26 Midget of the Midway said . . .did that dude really say "Rex has a surface to air missile attached to his right shoulder" ??? that's comedy. He's got a surface to defender missile...except it's a weak missile with no velocity.
February 13, 2007
#27 Max said . . .I'm not the biggest Rex fan in the world but I have to be realistic and understand that he is our quarterback. I won't tell you he's got potential and a great arm and this and that because truly I do not know what will become of Rex. However, I do know that we must pull for him because he is a Bear. He may not be a top 20 NFL QB, but with this squad we've got, I don't think we need a great QB. If he cuts down on his mistakes he'll be fine.
February 13, 2007
#28 Max said . . .Name 2 QB's who have been better than Grossman for the bears in the past 13 years. I say 2 cause an argument might be made for Jimmy Miller. (talent wise, health wise, Miller was worse than Chris Chandler).
But seriously, we were spoiled by Rex's first 5 games. And thats turned some of us into greedy people expect perfection.
I say some of us. I realize the responses to this will be "I just want him to make less mistakes," or "not to go for it all every time", etc. but come on, beginning of the year if you were told that Rex Grossman was going to lead the Bears to a 13-3 regular season and win 2 games to make it to the Super Bowl, 1) We would have said bullshit and 2) we would have taken it in a heartbeat.
Lets see how he does next year because he is the best QB on the roster.
February 13, 2007
#29 I popped Lovie's cherry said . . .I meant that Miller had more talent than Chandler, but got injured more as well. I wasnt saying Chandler was a better QB. just for the record
February 13, 2007
#30 Bears Repeat said . . .well put...agreed.
February 13, 2007
#31 mikebdot said . . .NFC QB rankings by Mike Ditka on SI.com (which I don't agree with for the most part):
Donovan McNabb
Drew Brees
Matt Hasselbeck
Marc Bulger
Brett Favre
Jake Delhomme
Mike Vick
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Matt Leinart
Alex Smith
Jon Kitna
Rex Grossman
Chris Simms
Jason Campbell
Tarvaris JacksonI don't claim to know more about football than Iron Mike, but I don't think you can put young QB's like Smith and Leinart ahead of Grossman. I think Ditka is just pissed about the Super Bowl so he ranked Grossman lower.
February 13, 2007
#32 Windyyy said . . .Max: I actually thought we would win the super bowl at the beginning of the year...so, I would not have said "bullshit". I would have said "damnit, we're going to come so close".
PO'd: I do agree that perhaps I need to take some time and just enjoy the season in retrospect...breathe...breathe...
February 13, 2007
#33 Da Bronx Bear said . . .I'm not the biggest Grossman fan, but I'd disagree with some of Ditka's picks. I would definitely put Grossman ahead of everyone except for his top 5, simply because he's been to the big game and most of the others haven't.
February 13, 2007
#34 CutCo said . . .No way is Alex Smith and Matt Leinart better than Rex...at least not yet. I saw that on SI.com too, and I agree that Ditka is just pissed at Rex for the Bears losing the SB, so he ranked him lower.
February 13, 2007
#35 Phil from SATX said . . .I disagree with some of Ditka's list as well. I'll agree with the top 3 in no particular order, but how can you put Rex at the bottom half? Ridiculous.
February 13, 2007
#36 Kev Martorano said . . .Let's make this a groundswell of support. I just did some research into the 21 Super Bowls since our last. There are only two situations comparable to Rex's (as in essentially first year starter in Super Bowl). One is Brady. The other is Rothlisberger, but he made it to the Super Bowl in his second season. I would strongly argue that his opponent, the Seahawks of last year, did not measure up to the Bears' opponent of this year. And he was in his second full year. Other than those two, the other 18 Super Bowls featured veteran QBs. So the writers out there were witnessing something very unusual - a rookie looking like a bad rookie in the biggest sporting event in the world. The rain certainly exacerbated his physical shortcomings, and helped to cause some of the instances that are sticking in everyone's mind (mine included) as completely buffoon-like and embarrassing. But this was really a weird, and nearly unprecedented, situation.
It's not Rex's fault that Lovie decided he was the best option to win the Super Bowl. In retrospect, I will propose that Lovie made a mistake that cost us the Super Bowl - had Griese started in the second half of the season, I think the Bears would be still be celebrating today - not because Griese's so great, but because he fits the role of the caretaker QB that other Strong-Defense / Strong Running teams used. Everyone cites Trent Dilfer as the prototypical one, but there are plenty more - Rothlisberger, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, Phil Simms - all Super Bowl winners and not superstar quarterbacks. Griese would have easily fit in this mode. But again, it's not Rex's fault that Lovie chose him.
I also think that with a different offensive scheme, not just during the Super Bowl but throughout the season (so Rex was familiar and ready with it), the Bears would have won this year with the rookie. And we would have been very excited to go into next year to win another with Rex.
I realize this is a very different take for me from last week - distance breeds perspective, I guess. I am more and more coming around to blaming Turner, and maybe a little bit of Lovie for giving Turner the rope, and also for not realizing that Griese likely could have won it this year (or Rex Plus Good Play Calling/QB Development).
How's that for a turnaround. Still want that free agent, though.
February 13, 2007
#37 jdawg said . . .I went big with the Colts in Bowl and laid the 7. However, just before the game I was very worried because I knew that if the Bears ran the ball and didn't put the game in Rex's hands they would have a good shot to win the game. But, I knew I was safe when as soon as the Bears offense came out and went three and out when they were up 7-0 just after they picked off Manning. As soon as they came out on first down and Rex dropped back I said to myself, "Yep, Lovie's gonna put it in Rex's hands and they have no chance." I really don't know why Turner had Rex throw 28 passes in the rain and after they had an early lead with good field position. Another good example of coaches getting in the way. I think Rex is fine with this team considering the talent around him. His worst enemy I think is the coaching staff putting too much on his shoulders....exactly like they did in the Super Bowl.
February 13, 2007
#38 jdawg said . . .Rex does have a cannon. So does Jared Lorenzen (back-up QB for the Giants) who, when at UK threw a ball 80 yards -- on his fucking knees. I didn't mean that made him a great QB.
February 13, 2007
#39 Bill said . . .I'm glad someone finally pointed out how green Grossman was as a starting SB QB. Turner and Lovie had to know what was coming in terms of the Colt's D and they didn't do one goddamn fucking thing different than they had all fucking year.
As I said before, I knew what the Bears O was going to run half the time before the snap of the ball so what do you think the Colts' D was looking for?
I hope the whole team takes this as a learning experience and we won't see the same stubborn business as usual game plan IF we ever make it back.
February 13, 2007
#40 Coxy said . . .I like the tone and direction this thread is taking - that Rex was only doing what he thought the coaches wanted him to do. (Hm - wasn't that his pat answer to a lot of questions?) It's true - despite the rain, and the fact the game was still close - the coaches WANTED him to pass. DUMB!
Another poiint I lost in the disappointment - we passed 28 times (and ran I think 19). In the rain! With a head coach who SAYS 'we're a running team'. WTF!! In a game that was essentially one score different until near the end. That is choking alright - on Ron Turner.
By the way, ChiTownDelight - you expose your lack of knowledge by disputing the opinion that Rex has a strong arm. I'm no judge - but even his critics in the media say he does. And they say he throws an accurate deep ball. It's OK to criticize diss Rex - he's got plenty to criticize; but so many people just pull out the standard criticisms - like weak arm - without really looking at his play.
My brother in law is a Packer fan, and he said towards the end of the season that Rex is the worst out the 32 starting QBs and that he'll be a backup or out of football in 3 years. Just a lot of over the top criticism essentially to dump on the Bears. (I haven't talked to him since the Seattle game - where he criticized Rex for a pass Moose shoudl have caught - becuase the pass didn't hit him in stride. )
Anyway - I said his opinion that he was the worst was clearly wrong becuase I don't think it's conceivable that the WORST QB woudl have seven games with 100+ passer ratings. I said he's inconsistent and it's not at all obvious why.
Then he pulled out the standard criticsm he lays on all Bears QB, and he lost the arguement. "All he does is dink and dunk" he said - which was always the insult of Orton and many past Bears QBs. So I said that proved he never watched any of the games - becuase if it's one thing he DOESN'T do, it's "dink and dunk". (In fact, if he did, we may have won the SB. Peyton sure "dinked and dunked". He had to admit that he didn't really watch the games (I had some people backing me up on his ability and tendency to throw the long pass)
You see - Bear haters want to criticize the QB because they know that's always our weak spot. So when Grossman fails - they fall back to unsupportable statements - like ChiTownDelight did. If you're going to criticize - make it something close to factual.
Next thing you'll be saying Urlacher's not a good linebacker because he's too slow.
February 13, 2007
#41 jdawg said . . .Good news about Lorenzen is that when he shits the bed at QB, he'll fit right in at right tackle.
February 13, 2007
#42 Pissed off said . . .I live in KY and Lorenzon was just like the Fridge -- a biscut away from 350. He's fucked up a little in the head but that dude is a freak of nature among freaks of nature. He's fucking huge, has more than a cannon for an arm and can run and knock people over. Too bad he could never get it together.
February 13, 2007
#43 Bears fan in CA said . . .Ahhh the Rex thread is alive and well.
February 13, 2007
#44 jdawg said . . .Bill, here are some of the "highlights" of the Inside The NFL clips:
-- after Devin Hester runs back the kickoff, Thomas Jones and Grossman say to each other "We're going to have great field position all game now!".
-- Jones screaming in anger after Rex fumbles snap #1
-- Before Grossman INT #1, someone does say something along the lines of "Let's go Rex, make it happen". Not in an accusatory way, though it should have been, but in an encouraging one.
-- Someone (Fred Miller?) says after the Grossman INT #1 "This is going to go down as the greatest Super Bowl in history" (presumably referring to a comeback that Grossman was going to lead).
-- This is followed by Grossman INT #2, and then it cuts to Ricky Manning angrily slamming his helmet against the bench.
I'd feel a lot better about this loss if we had a more stable QB situation. Is there anyone out there who doesn't believe, for example, that the Pats/Colts are Super Bowl contenders next year? You can do it without a consistent QB, but it's much less likely. If Grossman picks up next season where he left off the last one, it doesn't matter how good the D is.
February 14, 2007
#45 Bill said . . .only time will tell.
Has the game slowed down for him? That seems to be a common refrain among successful QB's. So: 1) If it already has we're screwed; 2) If it hasn't the future looks bright. 3) If it never will see option 1.
BTW, who besides Brady and Manning are considered QB's that can lead their teams to the SB every year?
February 14, 2007
#46 jdawg said . . .jdawg - I think that's the point. The main reason the Pats have been repeat SB participants in stability at QB. So though it pains me to say this - maybe that's Lovie and Angelo's reason for sticking with Rex. He was the best chance they had at staibility in the position. But I hope they see Rex didn't live up to the faith they showed in him.
ChiTownDelight - I was too quick with the comments; I didn't realize you were a Bea's fan. I think the crap weather we're having in Chicago today may have shortened my fuse. (But I still say Rex has a good arm - but he has no poise in the pocket - so his throws often are off the back foot andd end up looking like the first INT.)
Interesting comments from the NFL films highlights. And it sounds like Peter King may be stretching the truth.
"We'll have great field position all day." Yep - but so many 3 and outs kind of make it unimportant.
February 14, 2007
#47 CutCo said . . .I don't think stability is the point as much as Brady and Manning are awesome QB's. Brady's a bit of an anomaly in that he came out of nowhere and was great. Manning was the #1 overall pick and was eventually great. Do I think Grossman will be as good as those guy? Hell no. Does he have to be? Hell no. But, even though he's going into his fourth year he's green in terms of on-the-field experience. He may get a whole lot better, he may not, but Grease, and all these free agents, are what they are and have been that way for quite a while, and they're still moving from team to team.
February 14, 2007
#48 craig said . . .You don't need a superstar QB to win the superbowl. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson come to mind. Neither played out of this world, but managed not to trip over their own feet.
February 14, 2007
#49 Pissed off said . . .@Midway: I think the schedules work like this:.yYou've got your in-division opponents twice each. That's six games. Then each year I think you play one in-conference division and one out-of-conference division, and these rotate.
So '06 was the NFC West and the AFC East.
'07 has us playing the NFC East,and the AFC West.
08 it's the NFC South and the AFC South.
09 it's the NFC West and the AFC North.So that's another 8 games/per year plus the six in division, totalling 14. Then I think the two remaining are sort of wildcard in-conference games that don't get set too far in advance.
February 14, 2007
#50 Kev Martorano said . . .Whether you agree or not Rex will be our starting QB next year. We can continue to speculate whether he will get better, ( I think he will since it was his first full season) but there's no point in continually throwing him under the bus if your a Bears fan. If your a Bears fan you need to support the team, including Rex, even if you dont like him.
Lets move on to something else......like is SD gonna pick up Rivera as their next head coach now that Marty got the boot. Thats gotta be the best head coaching job available yet, better than Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Arizona, Dallas, etc. That team was probably the best in football all year and has the MVP and countless probowlers. That gig will make a bad head coach look good.
February 14, 2007
#51 Pissed off said . . ."Rex is our quarterback" okay thx Pissed off. Everyone knows he'll be here and everyone will pull for him like they did this year. But, it's hard for true fans to "get over the Super Bowl." People in Chicago are going to look at this Super Bowl for years to come if the Bears don't make it back within the next decade. I mean, I think they will, but it still stings for most of us. And, since Rex did play POORLY in the Super Bowl, why would we not want to vent and convey our feelings to one another? I just think you're pissed off because you like Rex as a person, which is fine, i'm sure he's a good guy and we know he's a fierce competitor. But, isn't it possible he may not be the right guy? I totally agree with your standpoint on being realistic in saying he will be our starter next year, and I will be pulling for him as hard as anyone (although i probably won't be AS HARD watching him as you will "Pissed Off". People will vent because of what they saw, and it will continue until next season. I don't want to sound like I don't like the guy because I hope he can lead us to the Super Bowl again, I just don't think he will. PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG REX!!
February 14, 2007
#52 said . . .Ken you are another fairweather fan who comes on here only when things are bad...you are a faggot sir! Theres no reason to bash my liking of Rex (saying im hard when I watch him, thats not what your wife thinks).....do you want to know why I like him you simple minded pile Of S*^#.....do you?......its becuase we havent had anyone with this potential in 13 years, we also havent had one lead us to the SB since the 85 season.
You can say the D and special teams did it all in spite of Rex all you want but the D was good last year and they fucked us against Carolina, not the offense, not Rex. They've also had good defensive teams since 85 and not got to the SB so what do you have to say about that? Rex helped lead us to the Super Bowl, no one else has. So he had a few hiccups along the way, and played poorly in the SB, he's still learning and growing with this team so eat a dick you fairweather fudgepacker.
February 14, 2007
#53 Rest of you said . . .Man, I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel bad about all the terrible thing we said about Dave.
He was right the whole time.
Sorry Dave.
February 14, 2007
#54 Rest of you said . . .I dont feel bad.
February 14, 2007
#55 Midway Monster said . . .#52, How bad do you feel? Are you nauseous? Would you like some warm milk? Did we say some horrible "thing" about him? Do you need to run to the toilet? Not feeling good, aawwww?
February 14, 2007
#56 mikebdot said . . .The wife purchased a NFC Champ jersey for me for V-day. She meant well but she just doesn't quite get it now does she. Megan, I need your help. Do I fess up and tell her this says "Hi, I am a Bears fan and we came in second this year didn't we." or just suck it up and wear it once in a while?
--Midway--
(in rehab)February 14, 2007
#57 Hewiewilldoie said . . .Midway: Rip the sleeves off and wear it while fixing the car...
February 14, 2007
#58 Megan said . . .What about Frodo? He's got the heart of lion. Which, I must say, is stronger than a Bear.
Put him in the QB spot and the Bears will follow.
Vicht! Aussie Aussie Aussie!
February 14, 2007
#59 Definition of Fair weather said . . .Midway,
Yeah, wear it.. sigh.. I hate it when my gender doesn't get it, just makes all of us look bad.
you could also let her borrow it, as a big nightie? and umm, well tell her how sexy she looks in it? then you may not have to wear it!
It's a thought.. Happy Valentines Day, you big sweetie!
February 14, 2007
#60 Max said . . .How can you be fair weather and only be interested when things are bad? Also: One time I got hard watching Grossman so I burned myself with a ciagarette. That seems to help.
February 15, 2007
#61 Fred said . . .Midway, I say rock it out. Sure, it says "I am a Bears fan and we lost the Super Bowl" but it also shows that they are still your team, you still love them, and will continue to support them. But thats just me.
February 15, 2007
#62 jdawg said . . .No, that shirt shouldn't be worn at all. You could explain your good reasons or let it drift to the bottom of the drawer or the lonesome side of the closet.
Maybe dust it off in a few years or next IF.
Can't display joy in being the first loser.
Bless her heart though, she meant well.February 15, 2007
#63 Hoge said . . .that shirt is a kingly gift -- as light as a feather and as tough as dragon scales!
I wonder if Rivera will remain DC and travel to the Gray Havens and diminish?
February 15, 2007
#64 Life-Sized Rex Grossman Poster said . . .Pissed off you act hard behind that keyboard. Everytime someone expresses an opinion that is different than yours you attack them. I understand firing back after what Kev said because he did personally attack you. However, I think you're taking this a bit too personal. Everytime someone disagrees you immediately attack them. Is this the only place you can act aggressive? My guess is that you're a cupcake and like to talk shit in blogs because you get bossed around all the time. We can all see that you are the "wannabe moderator" of this site, but guess what champ, you ain't. So, go back into your room and rub another one out to your life-sized Rex poster.
February 15, 2007
#65 Midway Monster said . . .Oh, god! Make it stop!!!! I don't deserve this....
February 15, 2007
#66 Phil from SATX said . . .Thanks all -- I've decided to wear the %$*ing shirt. It will help me in deal with the pain. In fact, I'll wear it to Group tonight. (I hear Bob Newheart made cup cakes). Of course, it will eventually end up tucked in the back of the sock drawer.
FWIW, here is my first break through in rehab: I've come to the realization that I'll have to deal with Rex being our QB for next year. If Lovie is going to give him a second chance, then so will I. That said, I still don't have the faith I need to, that'll come with time I guess. My expectations are that he will lose most of his stupid mistakes of 06 and we won't be talking about how he still doesn't throw off his back foot, etc.
Hey, BTW, Lovie have a contract for 07 or is that still on-going?
--Midway--
(in ReHab, wearing my NFC Champ jersey)February 15, 2007
#67 Midway Monster said . . .Interesting question about that shirt. Of course we know celebrating an NFC championship is for losers. However, I'm still contemplating dropping the 30 bones for the hat - mostly because that's one damn good looking hat. And it may need to be owned for historical purposes, much like my series of Bulls championship T's and hats. Then later, you can choose from one of your Super Bowl winning jerseys/hats (the one from '07/'08, the year that Griese won by just doing enough because Rex went down in the 9th game of the season, or the one from '08/'09, when Rex finally matured into a truly great quarterback and mounted a 4th quarter comeback drive for the ages) --- you'll pick the '06/'07 jersey and think back on the pleasure/pain that was this glorious year of football. Remember the Chinese toast - may you live in interesting times. This year, and Rex, was nothing if not interesting. So yeah, that jersey means something, and you can go ahead and wear it proudly - it's part of your Bears wearable lore, part of history. Your wife - she ain't so dumb!
February 15, 2007
#68 Pissed off said . . .Things can be worse... we could have our coaching staff driving around naked (Oh that wacky Lion's coach):
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/02/13/bc.fbn.lionsassistant.c.ap/index.html
--Midway--
February 15, 2007
#69 not jeff, he's on vacation said . . .Hoge, are you a shrink? Do you work in a hospital? Do you have a PHD? I doubt it, so dont tell me that I get bossed around or what you think happens in my life. You dont know shit and your probably trying to compensate for your own shitty life. In fact I am the boss where I work, and at home, no one tells me what to do so I dont need your fucking input on what you think happens in my life.
Your the only one who thinks I am the "wannabe moderator"...idiot. I dont attack people with other opinions than mine....I tell them why their opinion may be wrong or biased if I dont agree...thats what debate is you tool. Your and Kev's opinions are very flawed because you are fair weather and only blog when thinks are bad....you havent come around here much in the past so I have to assume you dont know shit about the Bears or you just cant carry a good opinion so you just like to come here occasionally when you think you have some good input. Why dont you and Kev go Rub each other off to a Jeff Garcia poster.
February 15, 2007
#70 Bear Down said . . .still wearing my bears hat every day. i literally feel bad if i consider wearing anything else. going to need a cool summer bears ball cap. start looking for me, people.
February 15, 2007
#71 Hoge said . . .Wait until you see how "Pissed Off" he is when Rex is holding a clipboard by week 4.
February 15, 2007
#72 CutCo said . . .Jeff Garcia? That's the first time I've ever typed his name on this blog. And, you're only good comeback is to say the same thing I said about you...good one boss. I'm not the one having cyber sex with Rex on these blogs partner..The fact that you think Grossman is a rising star says everything anybody needs to know about you.
February 15, 2007
#73 Pissed off said . . .Be careful, Rex will put the sheeny curse on you! Or, he'll just throw 3 picks in a big game to back at you.
February 15, 2007
#74 John Smith said . . .You know Rex is a rising star, dont deny it. I also didnt know your having cyber sex with Rex, or did you mean me? I'm not a queer like you, sorry to disappoint fag. I dont give a shit if you make fun of me for liking Rex, in case you didnt know, most people on this blog support Rex, its just you and a select few who dont. Do you want names? I like how you blog under a bunch of names, I can do it too, watch....fucking douche.
February 15, 2007
#75 Homo lover said . . .I think your an idiot Hoge, you too Bear down....your opinions are pretty porous since he led us to the super bowl.
February 15, 2007
#76 Unreal said . . .I like you a lot Cutco, will you come back to my house of love with me, Hoge can come too cuz I guess he likes cyber sex with Rex.
February 15, 2007
#77 JonDingle said . . .You guys (Hoge, Bear Down, Cutco, whoever else you blog under) arent real Bears fans cuz if you were you'd support the team including Rex. But you dont, I sure hope Griese gets in there and starts, maybe we can win 8 or 9 games with him in there. Of course if he starts I'll support that decision I'm just pretty sure he wont.
February 15, 2007
#78 JonDingle said . . .Wow, great banter there PO and Hoge (whoever you really are). You guys are like children. BTW I am in Rex's camp and I've let that be known but I would agree that PO'd is right, you can defend yourself if you get attacked personally, which, BTW Hoge, you were doing to PO'd too.
Back to Bear talk, does anyone know if Rivera is really being considered for the SD job and if so who would replace him here?
February 15, 2007
#79 seriously not jeff said . . .Am I fairweather too, PO'd. Hey Hoge, am I a homo too because I support the decision to keep starting Rex, do you think I rub em' out to his posters or have cyber sex with him becuase I support him? I think your the one who cant stand when someone disagrees with your opinion so you attack them.
February 15, 2007
#80 Pissed off said . . .rivera is being considered and singletary got the token minority interview. there's a lot of wacky names out there - like ted cottrell (who sucks). rivera is having trouble with these jobs because he's a strict 4-3 guy but this charger job is the best open job in 20 years...the team is the vegas favorite to win it all next season.
February 15, 2007
#81 Phil from SATX said . . .As I've said I'm not really sold on Singletary being a good head coach yet but his time will come and I guess he needs a HC gig to see how he does. I think its the best job available of any of them this year and maybe in 20 years as you suggest. So your saying Rivera's chances are slim?
February 15, 2007
#82 not even close to jeff said . . .If they do win it next year under whoever, imagine the cementing of Marty Schottenheimer's reputation as playoff loser, right or wrong. I didn't watch the game - what's the reason the Chargers lost? Was it dumb coaching, a better opponent or just players screwing up? And BTW that gives us another reason to celebrate this season - Lovie didn't take long to get rid of a "can't win in the playoffs" mantle that has bedeviled some coaches (previous to this year, Tony Dungy among them). I think that's worth a lot to us.
February 15, 2007
#83 mikebdot said . . .(1) they fumbled a game-ending interception. (2) the went anti-martyball and forgot they had the best player in football for the duration of the second half (3) they couldn't stop pressure brady and when they don't pressure with their linebackers, their secondary cant hold up.
February 15, 2007
#84 jdawg said . . .PO'd: If Rex wins the starting job in training camp, must he play the whole season or is there a scenario where his benching is warranted? That's all I want to know...
February 15, 2007
#85 Phil from SATX said . . .SD had the game won. Brady was picked off late in the 4th on a fourth down pass. I forget the guy's name who picked it off, but if he had half a brain he would have let the ball fall to the ground. Instead he picked it off, gained possession, tried to run, was stripped of the ball and the Pats recovered and got a first down. I think the dumbass CB even said something like "I always think endzone when I get a pick."
You better believe that 54 would have let everybody know in the huddle to NOT INTERCEPT THE BALL ON FOURTH DOWN.
February 15, 2007
#86 jdawg said . . .Thanks for the downlow jdawg. Between y0u and Not Jeff, it sounds like there was some coaching involved in the loss, both on offense and defense. Was it the Championship game when one of our Mannings had an easy pick and batted it down 'cause it was 4th? I remember cursing it quickly and then immediately realizing my error. Good thing I don't play. Can't be an easy thing for a defensive player to do given their love of the pick, but what an apparent bonehead move on the Charger. I'll have to look for that game somewhere on the 212.
Now to the second point - if Chargers had won, would it have changed the ultimate outcome this year? Would Chargers have beaten Colts, and could we have beaten the Chargers? All else equal?
Mindless speculation all, but, if I may, what else is there to do?
February 15, 2007
#87 Pissed off said . . .Hard to say regarding SD and the Colts. Rivers is actually greener than Grossman but has superior tools around him. Their front 7 is possibly the best in the NFL.
This may sound crazy, but I thought our best bet was to face NE in the SB. We played them to a standstill in their stadium a week after the Jets beat them. Brady is Brady, but his receivers don't scare me at all and I think we could have stopped their running game. Plus, we would have already played them once and and realized Brady shits sitting down like everyone else. Belicheck is a great coach, but they would have been without Seymore and Harrison in the big game.
just a thought
February 15, 2007
#88 jdawg said . . .I thought too that vs. NE was our best chance to win the SB.
To mike: If you've read any of my posts before I have said that if he struggles like he did at times this year I think he should sit. I am in the camp that wants him to start but if he sucks, sit him. I just think he will grow and get better with more experience since it was his first full season. So long story longer...yes his being benched can be warranted with shitty play.
February 15, 2007
#89 mikebdot said . . .I went back and watched a few clips I had of Grossman before both injuries. He looked a lot more mobile and confident in the pocket. I wonder if, like I've said many times before, Rusty Jones can work his magic on Grossman's ass, knees and ankles this off-season. Maybe get his bulk down and increase his spead and strength. We already know he can take some major hits (unless its a 320 lineman rolling up his ankle, or the astroturf monster).
February 15, 2007
#90 Fred said . . .PO'd: Just wanted to make it abundantly clear. I just hope we don't have to have the discussion...although, I would much rather have it in September than December...
February 15, 2007
#91 CutCo said . . .Agree jdawg.
I too remember a more mobile Rex from the past. One scramble vs. the Rams was it for this year. That's not enough.
Run Rex!
Take off man!
It would have helped the offense out off quite a few bad situations.
Where did Running Rex go?February 15, 2007
#92 said . . .I wanna be the wanna be moderator of this blog. Furthermore, as homosexual man, I am dissappointed by all the gay bashing going on here. This is, after all, America. I shouldn't be put down for my choice of lifestyle. My two favorite things in the world happen to be watching Bears games and having a passionate afternoon of sex with Julio. Most of you are very nice, but a few of you seemed overly obsessed with sexual putdowns. Just want you to know that this is a sign of latent homosexuality. I know that I used to be very pissed off before I could admit to the world that I was gay. Maybe it's time for less QB searching and more soul searching.
February 15, 2007
#93 Starbuck said . . .You know what is really crazy? This argument that seems to be between 2 or 3 (or is it 5) different guys (who all share Tim Hardaway's logic on homosexuality) is actually just one guy with multiple personalities. One personality supports Rex and one hates him.
A real Bears fan.
The truth is no Bears fan gives a rats ass about QBs, I want to see Rex prove all these stupid ESPN shitheads and the idiots around the office who just repeat Sportscenter all day wrong, but really I want to see Defense and a Running Game. Period. Who needs a proper offense if our defense punches people in the mouth and the magic number 23 dances through the special teams coverage?
Stop arguing over stupid shit, go look at Gilbert Arenas's myspace page (he is right about Lebron!)
http://www.myspace.com/blackpresident01 (Ya he calls himself the black president)February 15, 2007
#94 Max said . . .IMO, as I have said before, the OB position should be opened up to competition in training camp and pre-season. I think Rex will win the job (I agree with PO).
I will support Rex, but I have a nagging feeling that he is going to get eaten alive. Check out the defenses he is going to face next year - premier defenses in San Diego and Denver; improved good defenses from the '06 season in Philly, Comboys, Giants, Saints, Seattle, and Oakland. Rex needs to play lights out against these defenses and it is tough to see light at the end of the tunnel.
Here is the way I see the season going down - Bears will be 4 and 2 in their division, 2 and 2 with the AFC west and 3 and 1 with the NFC East and 1 and 1 against the Saints and Seahawks. Final record - 10 and 6 and NFC North Champions. Bears will be the #3 seed in the playoffs.
Only time will tell as to what till really happen- as the saying goes - "That's why they play the games."
February 16, 2007
#95 Starbuck said . . .Man, I leave for 24 hours cause its Valentines Day and I miss a whole argument. jeez.
I like the thinking Starbuck, Although I say 5-1 in our own division and a 2 seed at least.
I too im in the market for a new bears hat. I like the Bears stocking caps, but in dire need of a ballcap.
February 16, 2007
#96 Phil from SATX said . . .Max - The Bears certainly could be 5 and 1 in the North and I hope they will be, but they need to give the Pack a serious beat down. The Pack, unfortunately, looks like it will be a much stronger team next year. With Fahv-ray at the helm, you never know what could happen. Bastard always seems to have our number...
February 16, 2007
#97 Pissed off said . . .The problem is that Rex didn't necessarily have his bad games against great defensive teams - in fact sometimes the opposite. Let's look at his worst games. And I used regular season passing defense rankings (although it could be argued to use overall defense, but I'm thinking here about him passing) --
Arizona - 30th
Vikings - 32nd (last)
Detroit - 25th
Tampa Bay - 19th
Green Bay - 17thOn the other hand, he had great passing games against these teams:
Buffalo - 7th
St. Louis - 8thand did enough to win against this one
New Orleans - 3rd
but lost this one
Indianapolis - 2nd (guess I didn't realize that one, but were they second because everyone was running on them? No, I think they actually are a great passing defense.)
So what gives? Was there rhyme or reason to Rex's bad games? I don't really think so, which is what was so confounding about his season.
So not sure what's going to happen next year, but I can say this: I am very glad the schedule is what it is next year. While I believe that all teams are actually hard to beat (contrary to what many say about supposedly "soft" schedules) I will relish the opportunity to watch our Bears against the top half teams - hopefully it keeps them scrapping throughout the season and makes them more ready for the playoffs. Plus it will be a little easier to get the respect we should have had but never did. (I know, I know, who cares about respect, but somehow, I do.) Bring em on! And when Rex wins the starting job, as I agree with most here that he will, get ready to watch the attempted carnage begin from the opposing defenses. Because any team facing the Bears will be fools if they don't completely bring the heat on Rex. And either way that works out, I think we'll be better off for it - Rex will either show that he's learned and matured, or Rex will show that he's not ready - either way works, and we'll know early - there won't be any 5 week honeymoon period. Personally, I hope the schedule gives us some very tough teams off the bat - no reason to think the rest of this Super Bowl team won't be ready to take anyone on.
February 16, 2007
#98 Phil from SATX said . . .Why would a real Bears fan not care about QBs, especially since we havent had a good one in 13 years?
Regarding the gay thing, I didn't start it. I just though Kev would respond to fighting fire with fire since he said I "loved" Rex. I thought that getting back at him by hitting on his homophobic tendencies would get to him.I know people who are gay and have hung out with them. I have no issue there.
As far as the record for next year its impossible to predict. The NFL is so wacky every year, we could be 14-2 next year or 8-8, who the hell knows.....though I like to think the former. Plus its unsure that the teams you listed Starbuck wont take a step back, you suggest they will all be improved defensively but thats not for sure. Many of those teams have new coaches/coordinators so its tough to say how that will affect things. Plus some teams have lost some key players (NYG lost Arrington, etc.)
Totally agree with you Phil in #96. Teams should bring the heat and then we will learn if Rex will succeed or fail. Also the tougher schedule will help us get respect and be better prepared for the playoffs. Even though with our "soft schedule" this year we seemed to do pretty darn good in the playoffs.
February 16, 2007
#99 Chicago Sports Junkie said . . .Hey - great news about Dave Toub's re-signing (which is much better than without the hyphen) - out of all the coordinators he was the one we had to keep. (And one's gotta go, sorry RonT). Now it's Lovie's turn.
PO'd you're right about the Bears doing well in the playoffs - of course it was against the JV NFC, right? What nonsense that is (and was)! It is true that NFC doesn't stack up against the AFC in overall talent, on average, but when you're looking at the top teams, I think Saints and Seahawks could have given any of the AFC teams problems. And wackiness does abound, remember how Miami was the worst team in the league until they beat the Bears, and then they went on to beat 5 other teams in a row, many of them good ones? The Titans, same thing. These are all good teams, just some of them missing a few ingredients. Wins, against any of them, are great whereever they come from.
February 16, 2007
#100 Max said . . .Gotta say I agree with just about everything you said. Well put!
February 16, 2007
#101 Pissed off said . . .100. . .
February 16, 2007
#102 Pissed off said . . .101
February 16, 2007
#103 Phil from SATX said . . .Not much to talk about I guess. Lets talk draft. In all the mock drafts I have seen Brian Leonard, Jeffs guy, is not a first rounder so maybe he'd be available in the 2nd round. I dont know that we need FB help but if Jones is gone, which I hope and dont think he will be, we could use Leonard. Wouldnt it be nice to have a guy like Mike Alstott, a FB who can actually carry the ball a few times per game, not just block and/or catch. I would love for this team to have a running FB, like Brad Muster back in the day.
One mock draft I saw had us picking Zach Miller, a TE from AZ or AZ state. I wouldnt mind picking up a TE in the first round but I think we blew that last year when there were about 5 good ones available and we didnt take one. At the 31st spot I dont think we should draft on need, I think we should draft the best available player no matter what position. Then in the later rounds maybe draft on need. What do you all think our pressing draft day need is?
February 16, 2007
#104 Phil from SATX said . . .I gotta say I still want a safety with the top pick if one's there that is appropriate for the picking slot. That defensive hole still looms large in my mind (and of course with the assumption that Mike Brown is just not a realistic answer for us). Our only hole on defense, and a glaring one. Everything, everything for our team is predicated on defense.
After that OT. I still think Des Clark is a good tight end, not sure about the guys, but it seems like that is a position you could pick up later in the draft.
I would be very careful in wishing for a different draft from last year - change the #1 pick to a tight end and it's like stepping on that proverbial butterfly back in time - a certain Devin Hester may not have made it onto our roster - sure, maybe he didn't make much of an impact in his first year, but he's got potential!
February 16, 2007
#105 Mad Braynard said . . .I actually meant any O lineman, not specifically OT - I'm not good at evaluating the lineman specifically, although someone a while back commented that he thought our guards were better at pass blocking than run blocking and vice versa on the tackles - that made total sense to me. It seems like the only consistent times we run is outside the guards (although Benson was clearly able to run inside at times - maybe it's a difference between the two backs' running styles). Now, having said that, it was Garza who helped make Grossman look like an idiot on 2nd & 1, the game-changing play. But anyway I want a generic O lineman and not anyone like Stan Thomas please.
February 16, 2007
#106 Max said . . ....or Marc Columbo.
February 16, 2007
#107 Erurrishtug said . . .I agree about the O-line needed and I say a cornerback more so than a saftey. I don't think, especially if we get Briggs back we will be able to resign both Vash and Peanut when their contracts come up. And i have no confidence in Hester being anything but a return man. . . I hope he does, but im not betting on it.
Manning is a saftey and Todd Johnson has looked decent. Don't get me wrong, I wouldnt mind that saftey outa Texas.
I think you are right though Phil about picking the best available player more than filling needs in the early rounds. But O-line i think is a main priority through out the draft.
I like Des
February 16, 2007
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