I couldn't help myself. I wanted to write a nice column about how much fun 2006 was but I just didn't have it in me. We're moving on. Charging forward. Marching toward Super Bowl Luckman in the desert sun.
I've read Peter King and heard the opinions of our faithful and here's my four-point plan for solving the quarterback dilemma.
DON'T EXTEND REX GROSSMAN
Rex didn't show up mentally for the biggest game of his life. He was jittery and careless with the football. Lovie Smith can give his ego a media handjob till the Packers win another title but Jerry Angelo has to know better. The last thing this organization can afford to do is reward Grossman - not after watching a coaching staff play keep away with their quarterback for an entire postseason.
CALL THE HOUSTON TEXANS
If King is right and Carr is available...see what it'll cost. Carr has a bigger arm than Grossman, can be a very accurate passer and isn't afraid to get yards by running the football. In Chicago he'd be so thrilled behind a good offensive line and running game, he'd thrive. There's another bonus that I'm surprised King didn't mention. Carr's number one target at Fresno State? Bernard Berrian.
UP FOR GRABS
I don't want to hear any bullshit from Smith about this job being Grossman's to lose in June. Enough. Whoever the quarterbacks are in camp - and that would include Kyle Orton - should have an equal shot of winning the job. Orton won't win it but I'd have won watching him try. This would also give DaBearsBlog.com something to write about all summer.
IF YOU SIGN DAMON HUARD OR JEFF GARCIA, I QUIT
If the idea is to bring in a steady veteran hand that won't lose football games, he's already on the roster. The only reason to bring another player into this situation is if you believe THAT player can make THAT throw to win the world championship. Neither of these guys can do it.
Final Thoughts: Get Carr but don't mortgage the future for him. Jerry's been such a terrific late round drafter so losing a second round pick might not mean much in the grand scheme. Carr's been behind one of the worst offensive lines in football his whole career and never had the running game he'd have here.
#2 Pissed off said . . .Jeff...
On Rex, I ageee, this next season will be Rex's contract year and if we dont give him an extension he will probably play better. Most people play lights out in their contract year. I would extend him after next year when he proves what he can do in 2007. Its do or die this year for Rex's career.
Fuck David Carr, thats a crazy ass notion that I'm sure Phil will love to see you say. He aint shit, Rex was better than him this year and David has had way more games under his belt. Yeah I know Houstons O-line and others around David suck but he's part of the problem too, he sucks. I hope to God the Bears dont get him, I dont think they are even considering it so its a moot point anyway I'm sure. My God I just threw up in my mouth again. GOOD GOD seriously, DAVID CARR?!?!
Im cool with an open competition at QB b/w whoever is in camp, Rex will win that job handily anyway, he has all the skills, thats why he started all this year. Dont insult Lovie by saying he was playing a worse QB than was available to him.
Jeff, whats the difference b/w Huard, Carr or Garcia. You'd be cool with Carr but not Huard or Garcia? I dont want any of them, cuz I think Rex is the answer but if I had to pick I'd take Huard over Carr or Garcia.
Sorry to disagree with you so much Jeff but that may have been the worst lead blog I've ever read from you. I cant believe we see things so different, I thought we were alike. I still love you though.
February 6, 2007
#3 Phil from SATX said . . .Sorry Jeff, "worst" in the sense that we dont see eye to eye on any of it.....except the Rex no contract extension thing.
February 6, 2007
#4 Pissed off said . . .Here's some more thoughts on Rex. The actual stat I quoted a while back was a little inaccurate. I count 27 Rex turnovers in the last 14 games. That's 20 INTs and 7 lost fumbles (had at least 3 other fumbles that were recovered). I'm with you, Mikedbot, let's see if we can get a consensus on how many more multi-turnover games he will be allowed before the plug is pulled. I think we need to step back a moment and absorb that stat, and what that stat is supposed to mean. Turnovers are normally DEATH in the NFL. And this small-handed reckless gunslinger had 27 in 14 games (3 in the Super Bowl). One could argue that the only reason Rex is still even being considered for starting is because of the team he is on - only on the Chicago Bears in 2006-2007 could he have single-handedly caused 27 turnovers in 14 games and have the team still win 10 of those. This performance on any other team would not have been tolerated, but it was tolerated because the Bears were winning, thanks to their defense and special teams. Well Peyton Manning and the Colts let us know - you better not bring that weakass shit and expect to get by a smart and efficient team that doesn't make a lot of offensive mistakes - and the Patriots, and maybe the Chargers, could have said the same thing. So how long does he get? BTW, Carr would be fantastic, he's had to be running for his life ever since he's been in the league and is well skilled at it. With the Bears, he would kill. I didn't realize Huard is so old - at 33, I guess we don't want him. He lost 5 fumbles in parts of 9 games and was sacked 16 times in those games so maybe he's not very mobile, even if he did have 11 TDs and only 1 pick, and combined rating of 98. Too old.
February 6, 2007
#5 mikebdot said . . .Turnovers are not death in the NFL, too many might be but the Saints were -4 and they were in the NFC Championship game so NO DEATH by turnovers. Good God, you hate Rex, I get it, but I guess a winning QB, A player of the month, a QB with 23 TDS in his first full season isnt good enough for you. I'm starting to realize your a fair weathe fan Phil. Your the guy thats always calling for the backup, nothing is ever good enough. You tell me what we can expect if we pick up anyone else thats available like Carr? They wont put up Rex's stats.
February 6, 2007
#6 Max said . . .Jeff, I don't know how you can say "they won't put up rex's stats" definitively. Sometimes people just gel together. It's obvious Griese wasn't "that guy"...
Me, I'm still on the fence, but I just don't like Griese...I think we should just cut him. I don't like Orton either.
Pooh on Troy Smith (previous thread).
If he beats everyone out and has the same first half of the season next year, I don't see any reason not to keep starting him, but if he has the same last half of the season I'm going to have a heart attack...when the QB makes you think "what if" over and over all off season you shouldn't be held to account for holding a grudge...at least until he's shown he's matured next year. If Turner leaves his ability to pick up the new offense (if a new one is brought in) will be seen by mid-season. If he proves himself by then, I say keep giving him the nod, but if, like Phil says, he has another 8 mediocre games, screw that...
February 6, 2007
#7 AfroCelt said . . .I am with PO'ed on this one. I pleaded for you all to keep Rex in when he was choking midway through the year, and what was the argument?
HAS EVERYONE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE PAST 13 YEARS????
Rex is a freakin God send comparitely speaking. Rick Mirer, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Jim Miller (ok, i love Jimmy Miller) Shane Matthews, CADE MCNOwN, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Chris Chandler, Craig Krenzel, Jonathon Quinn, Chad Hutchinson, NEED I SAY MORE???
Jeff, I do like the point about Carr's main target being Berrian, and I like him better than Huard and Garcia but still, lets see how Rex does in the open compitition with Griese and Orton. I dont want another revolving door at QB if it can be helped.
I stand by Rex. . .
p.s. Bring back Briggs and use draft picks on O-lineman. Don't trade T.J. Throw the ball to Rashied.
February 6, 2007
#8 AfroCelt said . . .I've been watching Carr for a while now. How? I lived in Houston for two years. He would be ecstatic to get away from Houston and he would be great here, even if all it did was light a fire under Rex's butt. He scrambles fairly well and does have a good arm. He is better with the short passes and keeps his throwing form better than Rex. btw, I think Rex does have a slightly better deep threat arm, but on a "dinking" pass/run-down-your-throat offensive system, is that the biggest attribute to strive for?
I'm for Rex staying with the bears, but make him earn that starting spot next year.
February 6, 2007
#9 Pissed off said . . .PS- DONT SAY QUINN! NEVER MENTION THAT NAME!
February 6, 2007
#10 Coxy said . . .Thanks Max, what do these people want, Rex is great comparitively speaking.
I am having a controversey in my mind about David Carr. On one hand I say go ahead bring him in, Rex will just outplay him in every facet and be the starter anyway. Maybe he needs a fire under his ass to get him going.......but then again thats what Griese was supposed to do and Rex prevailed. Plus then we've wasted all that money on Carr for nothing.
Iguess my ideal scenario would be to get Carr for free, bring him in so Rex can kick his ass, prove all your naysayers wrong and then ship Carr outta here just so I can say I told ya so.
February 6, 2007
#11 Sweetness said . . .Don't lock up Rex. Let's see him next year gentlemen. Friendly competition. Its Griese or Rex. No Carr. We're paying so much for our backup who supposedly is good according to all you guys who ask for him week in week out.
Final thought, Turner has to be to blame for many of the picks. He's not throwing them, but he's calling these plays with a young ballsy qb.
February 6, 2007
#12 Chris May said . . .Quinn, AfroCelt? How about never mentioning the name Kordell Stewart ever again. God, those were lean years. My head hurts just thinking about it.
February 6, 2007
#13 Phil from SATX said . . .I thought Jeff Garcia looked really good during the final part of the season.
Far from a "steady veteran who won't lose the football game," I thought Jeff was more of a driving force in winning the games.
He got away from people, ran for first downs, took serious hits, all while gunning the ball down the field.
I think this year having Garcia in QB would have been a major upgrade from Rex, not just a lateral move to a more seasoned quaterback.
I don't know if he is right for next season, as he is getting older, and I agree it doesn't make sense to bring in another vet quaterback, but I put him a lot higher that some of these other guys.
February 6, 2007
#14 Pissed off said . . .PO'd I'd appreciate it if you don't ever fucking call me a fair weather fan, you're only 25 and I went to my first Bears game in the '60's. You're like a freaking pit bull that bites the hand of the family members that feed you. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're fair weather fans, or they don't know shit about football, it just means they don't agree with you.
I changed my mind about Rex from that game. I am not the only one. What about the 27 fucking turnovers in 14 games? What about the inability to scramble, to improvise, the fear of getting hit, the only QB in the league to never ever ever run for a first down (okay one freaking game he did that, only 1). What about horrible passes lofted up in the air because he can't see over the line because he's barely 6 feet tall? Can you have a short QB that doesn't scramble or run well? He totally panicked in that game, and there have been lots of games like that, and it's not because Indy's defense was that terrifying. He might be great one day, but he's not going to turn great over the summer, and as many have said, the window is very narrow right now for the Bears.
I don't know who's out there who's better but someone is. To bring up the names of the horrible QB's - duh, we shouldn't have any of those guys. I was excited when we signed Griese, not because I thought he was great or anything, but because I thought all we needed was an average QB who could hit guys when they were open, not throw 10 feet over their head like Orton. Now I've seen a season of Grossman, and now I say we just need a quarterback who can hit open receivers AND not turn the ball over. Too much to ask? I don't think so. Who should it be? I don't know. But let's have Bear fans be civil to Bear fans - I guarantee you we all care a lot, and none of us are fair weather fans.
February 6, 2007
#15 Chris May said . . .Screw you Phil, dont bring my age into it, I dont give a shit if your 120, your allegiance to the Bears is no greater than mine because your older. Thats low man. I call you fair weather because you want perfection and your the type of guy whos always calling for the backup. Do you even read the posts here.....Rex is all we've had in how long....probably since you went to the games in the 60s.
Is that the only stat you have, 27 TOs in 14 games, I think you posted that one 1 or 50 times already. Good for you for remembering that stat. Thats all you have to lean on....pathetic. Hes a pocket passer, not Mike Vick, deal with it. He makes most all the right reads, even in the Super Bowl, sometimes just a poor throw. Rex will stand in there and take a hit, I cant believe your saying he's fearful of gettting hit. More fair weather. If I had the ability I'd send you a link to about 25 huge hits he's taken while throwing a completed pass. It sounds like you want a QB whos a combination of Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana and Joe Namath. "is that too much to ask for" yeah I think so.
February 6, 2007
#16 Pissed off said . . .Oh, and can people PLEASE stop using team stats to support a player they like?
Rex was indeed the starting quaterback for a bunch of wins this year. Last year, the EXACT SAME THING happened with Orton.
You can be a bad quaterback, and win a lot of games, if you are lucky and play on a good team.
Likewise you can be a great quaterback, and lose a lot of games if you are unlucky and play on a bad team.
Rex had a FAN-FRICKING-TASTIC start to the season.
He was amazing.
Second half, he was far less impressive, and went from a guy who was putting up giant numbers, and converting on 3rd and long, to a guy who was losing games, and had to start playing an "Orton like" game plan.
So the question is, in 2 years will we look bad at the second half of this year as a "rough patch", or the first half as a total aberration?
February 6, 2007
#17 Pissed off said . . .Screw you Phil, dont bring my age into it, I dont give a shit if your 120, your allegiance to the Bears is no greater than mine because your older. Thats low man. I call you fair weather because you want perfection and your the type of guy whos always calling for the backup. Do you even read the posts here.....Rex is all we've had in how long....probably since you went to the games in the 60s.
Is that the only stat you have, 27 TOs in 14 games, I think you posted that one 1 or 50 times already. Good for you for remembering that stat. Thats all you have to lean on....pathetic. Hes a pocket passer, not Mike Vick, deal with it. He makes most all the right reads, even in the Super Bowl, sometimes just a poor throw. Rex will stand in there and take a hit, I cant believe your saying he's fearful of gettting hit. More fair weather. If I had the ability I'd send you a link to about 25 huge hits he's taken while throwing a completed pass. It sounds like you want a QB whos a combination of Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana and Joe Namath. "is that too much to ask for" yeah I think so.
February 6, 2007
#18 jdawg said . . .Sorry for the double post
February 6, 2007
#19 Phil from SATX said . . .Camp will open and Grossman will be #1. He can make all the throws, including the ones to the other team. My basic take is its easier to teach someone not to do stupid shit than to teach them to do hard shit. Grossman does the former. You can't teach someone to throw a perfect long ball 60 yards down the field and you can’t teach them how to gain the respect of their teammates. The Bears recent QB history is peppered with those that couldn’t do one, the other or both.
Let me put it this way. At the beginning of the year Rex was king and our running game sucked. Then, all of the sudden, Rex comes down to earth with a thud but, lo and behold, our backs are finding holes. Did those holes appear out of nowhere? No, they appeared when the 8th man in the box turned into the 4th DB sprinting 20 yards away from the LOS at the snap of the ball.
In my opinion the coaching staff better work Grossman’s ass off this off-season on short and medium throws. I can't understand why the coaching staff didn't have a plan in place when everyone knew the Colts were going to stack the LOS and keep the safeties deep. They should have been running screens, reverses, even a fucking flea-flicker would have helped. This was a team loss.
Phil Simms was on Rome today. He said he was with a bunch of Bears fans after the game and they were all calling for Grossman’s head. Simms basically said, “yeah, I can’t believe what a shitty tackler he is and how he couldn’t get the D off the field on third down.�
Yeah, I basically had a moment, right after the first interception, when I fell to my knees, raised my fist in the air and shouted, “Kahhhhnnnn!� It helps. You should all try it.
February 6, 2007
#20 Pissed off said . . .jdawg, that was excellent analysis about Rex, and something I had not thought of. Also about the early passing opening up the running. But can they teach him how to be better at reacting under pressure? Isn't that something that mostly comes from experience, and lots of it? And if they can teach that, can they do it quickly enough so we can beat the Colts next year? If so, I'm all over it. I do think that Turner has been Rex's worst enemy in many games this year, and I hope Turner either learns from his mistakes or we get somebody else who can coach this kid. And if he's not fixable, try Griese. And consider bringing in someone else to push everybody.
February 6, 2007
#21 jdawg said . . .I dont believe it, now you want Grossman in there? Its Turners fault, not Rex's? What is it going to be, your so wishy washy. And didnt you say reacting under pressure comes from experience. Well how does he get experience if you want to exile him after his first full season. I cant even read your posts anymore man, Im done with this shit, too up and down.
KAHHHHHNNNNN!
KAAA
February 6, 2007
#22 Starbuck said . . .Grossman now has a full season under his belt. I learned to drive more cautiously after rear-ending another car because I was young and in a hurry. If I had kept it up I'd have lost my license. I was a much better driver after that and after being behind the wheel for a while. No amount of reading or watching Steve McQueen movies was going to make me a better driver than listening to those who already knew how to drive and practicing on the open road. Grossman could only learn so much from watching. This season he got to drive and his insurance has gone up. If he doesn't show improvement he may have to start riding his bike to work.
February 6, 2007
#23 The Pack is Back said . . .The Bears purse strings are not big enough to sign or trade for another QB in the off season. It aint gonna happen in light of the fact that Griese signed a big contract. I definitely agree that Grossman should not have his contract extended in this off season and I doubt it will.
The Bears real issues center around providing Train Wrecks with additional play makers and shoring up their defense.
Whether we care to admit it or not, the Bears' receivers were generally below average this year. Berrian and Moose are under contract and will be here next year. I expect Bradley or Davis or both to be gone. The Bears need a true #1 receiver that runs crisp routes, has speed and good hands.
As for the O Line? Pray and pray hard. The draft prospects for impact O Linemen are bleak and there are not that many in free agency. Angelo's biggest problem is whether he wants to drop fat coin on Ruben Brown even though the guy could break into a thousand pieces at any moment next year along with the rest of the line.
The biggest issue for re-signing players on defense goes like this - If you want to run the Cover 2, your defensive tackles have got to be good(e.g. re-watch SuperBowl XLI - then vomit). Hence, Harris is likely to get a contract extension. The Bears' cornerbacks will be up for contract extensions this year. Angelo has got to sign one of them - expect Vasher to get the extension. As far as Briggs, He gone. Too much money and the franchise tag won't happen. I expect Turner to look for a young linebacker in the draft. The Bears also have an issue with Mike Brown. The guy is great, but he has played hurt for three straight years. Unfortunately, there are not a lot of great safeties out there in this off season either. I would not be surprised if he is back, but he will not get an extension at the end of next year.
Finally, next year's schedule is a ball kicker. We will need to win at least five of our games in the North Div(which we can do) to even have a chance at going to the playoffs. The remaining 10 games, with the exception of maybe Oakland, are gonna be rough. I predict a regular season record of 10 and 6 with a third straight NFC North crown and a 4th seed. 4 post season games will be needed to win the Superbowl.
Go Bears!!
February 6, 2007
#24 The Pack is Back said . . .Only bear fans would claim their team only gave up 22 pts when it gave up 29. Next they'll say they were talking about the defense only. But if that's the case, PATs and FGs don't count because that's special teams. If they do, then count the ones that were missed chip shots. Otherwise, you're just sugar coating it. Wake up from your delusions.
February 6, 2007
#25 jeff said . . ."My basic take is its easier to teach someone not to do stupid shit than to teach them to do hard shit. Grossman does the former. You can't teach someone to throw a perfect long ball 60 yards down the field "
That doesn't jive with the fact that everyone is pissed off that they went down-field on 2nd and 1. In actuality (that means for the non-delusional people), it's the short stuff that nobody worries about with rex. The deep stuff is what makes people hold their breath.
February 6, 2007
#26 Anonymous said . . .po'd getting on me. i love it. i think carr's a better player. i watch him play an awful lot. i was a rex guy until sunday but sunday he was downright embarrassing. i didn't say give the team to david carr but i'd applaud bringing in a young player with a big arm and moxie to atleast scare the shit out of rex. the dude needs a wakeup call and he needs the coddling to end. the bears need to mimick the chargers....you draft rivers and maybe it lights the fire under brees. i think everyone knows i'd love to be sitting here a year from now saying, "well fuck me, rex rocks." but from what i saw sunday, that's a bit of a pipe dream.
February 7, 2007
#27 The Pack is Back said . . ."but from what i saw sunday, that's a bit of a pipe dream"
I call it a delusion.
February 7, 2007
#28 Midway Monster said . . .Forgot to sign that last one.
February 7, 2007
#29 Shaq said . . .Jeff, if you performed like Rex at your job how long would you last? I means yuor a righter write? Imagine much errozs inn yuor columnzes. What wood happken? Same four Rex wright?
I say Rex played his cards. We all thank him for the effort but I cannot see giving him the keys to the family jag again.
--Midway (making progress in rehab)--
February 7, 2007
#30 Midway Monster said . . .Since when did Peter King become the voice of reason? Him, and most of the media, have trolled all season for the easy headline, ie. Good Rex/ Bad Rex, etc. rather than doing any constructive journalism.
That being said, Rex has deserved much of the criticism, though sometimes unfairly. Imagine Rex having the game Brees did in the NFC Championship (1 game changing safety, 1 interception, 2 fumbles/ 1 lost). Had Rex had that game (he did in the Super Bowl) he'd been hanged (like he is now). Nobody has criticized Brees for "choking" in perhaps the biggest game of his life, probably because he's earned himself a longer leash. But Brees didn't get that long of a leash overnight.
One thing that's commonly overlooked, is our offensive line. While the O Line is excellent at run blocking, it is piss poor at pass protection. Pulling and leading for a run is a different skill than fighting off 300 lb lineman for 3- 4 seconds for a pass play. Also, the offensive play calling throughout much of the season was inconsistent, never more evident than in the Big Game. Much like Rex made up his mind as to he was going to throw the ball to before reading the coverage, Ron Turner determined what play to call rather than adjusting to the flow of the game. I don't think it will matter if it's Rex, Griese, or Carr at QB if these other things aren't fixed. But I'd let them all fight it out for the starter spot in training camp.
February 7, 2007
#31 Midway Monster said . . .Shaq, I hear ya but my brain replays mis-snaps, QB fumbles (yeah, that's fumbles with an 's'), and balloon passes that'll make you puke (which is probably why I ought to lay low on these posts. I am obviously not over it).
--Midway--
February 7, 2007
#32 Voice of Reason said . . .My last post just set my rehab back to square one. Why? well its the use of the plural form of verbs like: missed snaps, fumbles, tripping, and balloon passes.
You guys need to give me another week before I can contribute.
--Midway--
(Hey! tonight is jello night, my fav)February 7, 2007
#33 Bill said . . .The bears will never win a superbowl with Rex Grossman as the QB. He was inconsistant thoughout college and the only thing he added was being injury prone win he turned pro. The Bears should cut him now.
February 7, 2007
#34 bench rex said . . .Well, I msee it didn't take two days to get back to being in off-season form and start arguing like true Bear fans!
(Pack is Back - stick around - you're hillarious! Of course a "pick-six" doesn't count against the defense - any more than Rex gets credit for Heter's return!! But I'm sure Rex would welcome your logic!!)
We agree on one thing - DON'T EXTEND REX'S CONTRACT!
Next point worries me - sure he;ll beat out any competition - becuas ethere is no real live rush in practice! Knowing he won't be tackled, I'm sure he stands in the pocket or moves up or anything but run backwards like he does in a real game.
I said I' d 8 games - what I meant is I'd give him 8 games before I committed the rest of the season to him. Two "deer in the headlight" games within the first 8 and I'd replace him - even if only for the eefect of saying there IS a limit to what the staff woudl put up with.
(Pack is Back - does the safety against the Sain=ts count for Grossman too? You're GREAT! Too easy - but GREAT!)
February 7, 2007
#35 Mikey said . . .everybody is forgetting that no matter who the back up is lovie is going to stick with rex no matter what stupid thing he does . lovie has proven this game after game if rex's confidence is that fragile he needs to be gone , i have seen Qbs in pop warner that appear to have a better grasp on the game than rex
February 7, 2007
#36 Dave said . . .Rex Grossman will be the starter next year. Sorry.. you're stuck with the guy for at least another season.
February 7, 2007
#37 voice of reason said . . .Before you all throw Rex under the bus, you should go back and look at the game film. Aside from the fumbles and picks, Rex did ok. He completed 20 passes.
Instead look at the Colts defense. It was superb. Dungy did a great job putting together this defensive plan.
They played a cover two with a zone downlow. When the Bears did complete short passes the DB's were on them right away. There was no chance to brake one.
When they tried to go deep they had safety help on top. Pick off.
The Bears like to give that double move at the line, but it doesn't work against that defense because the corners know they have help in the middle and deep.
It especially works very well if your defensive line is able to control the line and get pressure on the QB without blitzing. The Colts did that.
Its also very hard to run on that defensive scheme. The Colts line play was great. They have good speed at safety in Bob Sanders and at linebacker. With that speed they were able to read and come up and make some big hits.
So before you go off on Rex, you may want to give credit where credit is due. The Colt defense did a great job and engineered those mistakes.
February 7, 2007
#38 bench rex said . . .Yeah. Besides all the fuckups, he played okay. A good QB would be able to adapt to a good defense. See: Manning, Peyton.
February 7, 2007
#39 CA Bears fan said . . .i dont know maybe i missed something since when did the cover two have anything to with being able to handle a snap , and use rex's excuse the ball was wet peyton did not fumble once , and you make a good point #36 the colts run the cover two so do the bears a defense rex sees everyday and should know the corners are not going to bite on the double move so he should at least check to see if they did before he throws the fucking ball any defense is going to work if you break the huddle with your mind made up where you going through the ball no matter what is going on downfield rex can not react he has to think wich is evident he can not do fast enough we did not throw rex under the bus he jumped
February 7, 2007
#40 bench rex said . . .Carr....interesting. I'm on the fence.
Check out the history of quarterbacks who've won Super Bowls since 1985(I'm picking this time period because that's when I started following football). They tend to be acquired via the draft (17 out of 21). From my rough count, the Super Bowl runner-up QBs are in the same boat (16/21). My point is that there are very few examples of castoff QBs winning the Super Bowl. Those that did also tended to be "game manager" types on teams with dominant defenses (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer). The only glaring exception that I found was Steve Young. I doubt that Carr will be another Steve Young, and I'm also unclear on whether the Bears can win with just a "game manager". Mike Brown seems to get injured every year, Harris is coming off an injury that's the first of its kind, and our depth at LB and CB is thin. Speaking of which, please don't make me watch Hester play on defense again!
If Carr is available on the super-cheap, we could take a chance. The ghost of Rick Mirer looms too large over Chicago for us to spend a high pick on him.
February 7, 2007
#41 Midway Monster said . . .max after rereading your list of qbs i have decided i was wrong it is not rexs fault we just can not bring a qb along to save our ass most of the qbs on list at least showed a little potential but after being involed with the bears became talentless nobodys so we should do rex a favor and get rid of him now and save our hopes for another super bowl win and his chance of being somebody someday
February 7, 2007
#42 bearscunt said . . .Dave,
The problem with Rex against the Colts is when he was bad he was embarrassingly bad. I am talking bad. Bad as in failing to reach an acceptable standard. I am using the word 'bad' when talking about Rex.
Okay so maybe this is recoverable. But he did the unpardonable sin, he was bad in a Super Bowl that (as chance would have it that day) we could have won.
I am not saying throw him under the bus. But maybe Lovie needs to show him the bus wheels.
--Midway--
(in rhab)February 7, 2007
#43 bearscunt said . . .i left my job, family, warm sofa and 60 inch big screen to watch the game on a rain drenched, overhyped, shithole beach in miami to watch that bears performance? and you want to know why i wasn't at the airport greeting them as they returned to chicago? save the fucking losers from greenbay for that shit...the bears can suck my south beach, seat soaked, sand engulfed sack! fairweather fan? i've followed this damn team for 21 miserable years and all the miserable moments before 1985. i will support them for the next umpteen years of my life while they trip over themselves trying to get back to the superbowl. I'm so pissed at that bunch of losers. These fags are supposed to work their entire lives to get to this moment and to piss it down your leg and drown in your own vaginal discharge? At least daniel manning can go back to beating up geeks at dennys.
February 7, 2007
#44 Nicole is miserable in this blue city said . . .i left my job, family, warm sofa and 60 inch big screen to watch the game on a rain drenched, overhyped, shithole beach in miami to watch that bears performance? and you want to know why i wasn't at the airport greeting them as they returned to chicago? save the fucking losers from greenbay for that shit...the bears can suck my south beach, seat soaked, sand engulfed sack! fairweather fan? i've followed this damn team for 21 miserable years and all the miserable moments before 1985. i will support them for the next umpteen years of my life while they trip over themselves trying to get back to the superbowl. I'm so pissed at that bunch of losers. These fags are supposed to work their entire lives to get to this moment and to piss it down your leg and drown in your own vaginal discharge? At least daniel manning can go back to beating up geeks at dennys.
February 7, 2007
#45 Pissed off said . . .You guys are having a deep debate and I don't want to step on toes so instead I will add a jello tip for Midway in rehab.
Midway: My favorite is Strawberry Banana jello, boil the water and add the mix as usual then let it cool off entirely. Then instead of the last cup of water pour in a can of sprite, stir it quick then put the saran wrap right on top of the jello. Once it sets use a wire whisk to mix it up and it's fabulous. Also works for Cherry jello mix and adding a coca-cola. Delicious!
February 7, 2007
#46 Midway Monster said . . .#22 Starbuck I disagree with almost everything you said except the Rex issue. The Bears recievers are fine, they were actually probably a top 10-15 tandem in the NFL last year (yards, receptions, etc.) I am just disappointed that Bradley and Rash didnt get more action especially after how Bradley was going last year and we saw shades again vs. the Giants. Muhammad is a true #1, when we got him he was the best WR in football. He can still make the big grab.
I think they should extend Ruben Brown if he feels good, not more than 2 years though. Yes the O-line is old but they have a few good years left (which is our timetable to win a SB) so I wouldnt blow it up yet.
If we can only sign one corner, I want Tillman, not Vasher. Also why dont you think we can resign Briggs? Its been the teams top priority for a couple years now and I think (hope) they will get it done.
I honestly dont care if we cut Mike Brown, I dont. He's always hurt and with the safety crew of McGowan, Harris, Johnson, Manning, etc., and maybe a safety in the draft again I'm cool rolling into next season with those guys. Save the money for something else like Briggs and cut Brown.
Jeff #25 I disagree with the coddling, yes Lovie loves him but he had taken so much shit (some deservedly) and has always been confident and come back. As I've said before he's the most mentally tough guy in football. If I was him I'd be out of the league months ago cuz I'd have left for home crying to my mom.
Voice of reason, your a fair weather fan, contribute something good not just the ol' "rex sucks". Give me overall proof from this season, not just a few games that we should cut him. Do you want him to get cut, picked up by the Vikes and then he'll kick our asses? Also Rex is not nor ever will be Manning, STUPID of you to make that comparison.
#38 you dont know what Rex is thinking in the huddle, that he's only going to look at one option. He checks down, why do you think Berrian makes a ton of catches when Moose is generally the #1 option.
Dont you all think that we are destined as Chicago Bears to never have a hall of fame QB again?
February 7, 2007
#47 Pissed off said . . .Nicole is miserable in this blue city:
I'll ask the Dr's & Nurse's if that can happen after Group tonight.
--Midway--
(ReHab, day 3)February 7, 2007
#48 Pissed off said . . .I am going to store this post so I dont have to rewrite it another twenty times before the end of the week so if you see it more than once you'll know why.
Those of you who want Rex cut or off the team or shipped to Zimbabwae because he is not an NFL QB, he fumbles too much or throws to many interceptions......I have this to say: Do you not remember the past Decade+ of QB carusel (sp)? He is by far the best QB, with the most potential that we have had since Harbaugh. Lets let him get some experience. THIS WAS HIS FIRST FULL SEASON! Do you not realize that or are you just to pig-headed that you wont accept that, you want Joe Montana to start for the Bears and you want him NOW! Well it aint going to happen. So if we cut him we can have Griese or Orton or Carr lead the team only to be throwing them under the bus by mid season. What an ideal situation...oh yeah we've already been doing that for 13 years.
February 7, 2007
#49 Ted said . . .I think everyone is just madder at Rex than past bust QBs because we've seen the potential he has. Like those first 5 games he had when he was September player of the month in the NFL, there was even MVP talk. Then he has extreme lows with 67 turnovers in one game. I think thats why everyone is madder at him than the past shit we've been putting under center.
February 7, 2007
#50 mikebdot said . . .I like what Midway said about showing Rex the wheels of the bus. I read once that Galileo was brought in, and they showed him the instruments of torture, and that was all they had to do to get him to change his ways. Of course, they were wrong to do so, but this is an analogous situation. Rex is talented, true, but he has little respect for the team. Perhaps this would be an attitude adjuster for him.
I really don't like the slams and insults that people are throwing around here. I am pretty sure (PIB excepted) that we all want passionately what is best for the Bears. Can't we all just get along ?
February 7, 2007
#51 jeff said . . .Insults are part of the fun.
But, I try to refrain from them regardless...
During the year I backed Rex to everyone that bad mouthed him. I continually said "I'm not worried, he'll be fine in the playoffs". Well, he was adequate in the first two games and sucked pretty bad in the SB. I just don't know how much longer I can "not be worried". I'm giving him at most 8 games to show me he can be the September QB we all thought he was going to revert back to...
At the very least, can we all agree he needs to work on things during the offseason and that if he doesn't fix them he should be given the hook after a few terrible performances? 3 bad games out of 8 maybe? I would rally around Griese if Lovie made the choice to go to him. I think the team would too...
February 7, 2007
#52 Phil from SATX said . . .Dave, i watched it twice. he did great. besides the terrible interceptions, terrible fumbled snaps, terrible falling on him, terrible misreads all over the field, terrible decision not to run and throw into double coverage...
February 7, 2007
#53 Pyrobob said . . .Aside from that, Mr. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show?
February 7, 2007
#54 Pyrobob said . . .In every loss there needs to be a villain. Rex is an easy, convenient target. Certainly all of us Bear fans wanted desperately to have our team win this Superbowl. In the aftermath we look to assess blame for destroying our hopes and dreams of having the NFL Superbowl Champion Chicago Bears.
As a fan that has been on the roller coaster since 1985; I asked myself what is it all about? Year in and year out hoping that the magic would return. A new coach or coordinator(s) would make the difference and bring us back to winning status.
I have mellowed over the years- no longer calling into The Score to rant on about what I think is a winning formula. As it turns out decisions were made without my consultation. Many which I disagreed with.
Keep Rex, get rid of Rex, put Rex on notice, don't extend his contract... somehow I don't think my opinion will effect the final decision.
What does it mean to me, as a fan to have the Bears win the Superbowl? It is the feeling of being the winner. Second place is the best of the losers. It is bragging rights to the nation and the world; we are the BEST. Although I still take pride in the FACT that we are the NFC Champions and out of 16 teams there are none better. What does it mean to you, as a fan?While it seems an opportune time to pontificate on the future of Rex or others on the team; I will leave it up to the coaching staff and management to make the right decisions and bring us back to the Superbowl again next year. Yes, I said it. As with every year I expect my Bears to claw their way to the top. As a fan I look forward to the future with hope. Ready to support them. Whoever is at QB or D coordinator or Head Coach for that matter. It is MY team as I hope it is YOUR team. Like being married I am in to stay, for better or worse.
February 7, 2007
#55 Bill said . . .And as far as Rex goes since I veered from the subject in my previous post. I believe we should keep him.
Here is a first full season stats comparison Manning & Grossman:
Manning-
Yr/Tm-1998 Indianapolis Colts
G/GS-16/16
Att/Comp/Pct-575/326/56.7
Yds/YPA/Lg-3739/6.50/78
TD/Int-26/28
Tkld- 22/109
20+/40+ - 42/8
Rating= 71.2Grossman
Yr/Tm-2006 Chicago Bears
G/GS-16/16
Att/Comp/Pct-480/262/54.6
Yds/YPA/Lg-3193/6.65/62
TD/Int-23/20
Tkld- 21/142
20+/40+ -47/8
Rating= 73.9And one not officially tracked:
Years to reach Superbowl in Pro career:
Grossman - 3
Manning - 9Why compare? Rex may never become a Manning, but he can improve.
The following is from Manning's own fan site:Positives: Great intangibles and work ethic. Fierce competitor. Knows how to prepare for games. Has a coach's understanding of the game and is a very quick study who knows how to read a defense and to avoid losses. Has gotten a lot bigger and stronger because he is driven to be the best he can be. Excellent height and vision. Top-notch technique and very good balance. Quick, compact throwing motion. Arm is strong enough for him to throw all the routes in the playbook. Throws a nice, catchable ball. Has been durable and dependable. Does not seem to let his mistakes weigh too heavily on his mind when he is playing. Should be ready to play in a hurry.
Negatives: Is not the runner, scrambler or improviser his father was as a rookie. A little tight in the hips and stiff. Not naturally smooth and fluid. Lacks a great arm. Can't throw off-balance with zip as Favre or Elway can. Needs to set his feet to zip the ball. Does not throw a really tight spiral much of the time, and the ball will wobble at times. Was taught to pump his feet and to keep them moving at almost all times in college and also to slightly underthrow the deep ball so his receiver could come back and make a play on it. Thus, he may need to break some old habits.
Summary: Is not a rare talent or great athlete as his father was or as John Elway and Brett Favre are. Yet, he's a very fine football player with a great mind for the game and, from the neck up, rivals Bernie Kosar as the smartest quarterback I ever saw in college.
Some of that sounds eerily familiar...February 7, 2007
#56 Voice of Reason said . . .Pyrobob -
Your analysis/comparison is interesting except for one major worry: in the biggest game so far, after all his annoyance with the questions - he committed four "unforced" errors - well, maybe five. @ bad picks; 2 fumbles; one time tripping on his own feet and getting sacked.The fact is - I've never seen that on a winning Bears team (I've followed them since the early 60s). On bad teams - to be sure. But we were there and had a real chance to win against a better team - and he made it much more difficilt than it could have been.
No poise - and it can't be taught. Will he get it now that the cries for Griese will be VERY loud next year? Remember preseason? Same pattern - in practice - with no hitting of the QB allowed - he is clearly the best. In a game - not necessarily, though sometimes. It simply has to stop - and I don't know if the circumstances of the city being more against him than ever is going to let that happen.
One article in one of the papers today suggested that trading him may be the only answer now. I know that won't happen - but once the distraction of the controversy hits next season, Lovie will not be able to quiet it by calmly saying "Rex is our QB."
February 7, 2007
#57 Dave said . . .First of all Pissed Off, you have no frame of reference to catagorize me as any type of fan. You want stats, go to espn.com.
Second, I did not compare Rex to Manning as there is obviously no comparison. I merely suggested that he did not take what the defense gave him.
Thirdly, I am thoroughly impressed with you as you seem to know absolutely everything in the world. Perhaps the Bears organization could make use of your seemingly unlimited knowledge. After all, why waste your talents explaining things to us clowns on a message board when you're obviously so high above us?
February 8, 2007
#58 I miss Mike Brown said . . .Jeff-Thanks for making my point. All year, going back to September, I've told all of your posters how this guy sucks and all year you guys attacked me.
Remember how you guys were comparing him to Favre and other NFL greats. I believe I told you this guy would play all world foe awhile and then hit a wall. Just ask Spurrier.
Ain't life grand?
February 8, 2007
#59 Cocopuff said . . .The Bears QB dilemma only got worse with that Super Bowl performance by Rex. I must say, I didn’t think he would out right win the game for the Bears, but I was shocked to see him make those same mistakes again in the biggest of games. One fumble I can understand...rain, small hands. But two times...no excuse at all. The first pick that was taken to the house was by far the worse. At no point does it look like the CB bit on the double move.
I think Rex had it in his mind that he was gonna take a shot against Harper’s replacement, but it sure would have helped if him and moose had been on the same page. At least Moose could have knocked the ball down if it had been anywhere in the neighborhood. The next pick, although it was a poorly thrown ball, I think the rain did a lot to knock it down so prematurely because Rex didn’t put enough umph on the pass. That said, why are we throwing bombs in a damn rain storm to begin with. I actually think the pass to DClark before the field goal to cut the lead to five was the worst pass of them all.
Why did he not at least try to run for the first? At least scramble out of bounds in that situation and pick up a couple of yards (if not the first down which he probably would have picked up) to make the kick easier for Robbie. He made the kick, but I was worried. 44 yards in the rain is no piece of cake. Why through up a jump ball to your tight end in the first place...they don’t win too many of those battles.
Anyways, we saw the same problems Rex made most of the season. Jump balls, fumbled snaps, poor decisions at crucial times, and no scrambling ability.
However, this was his first full season as QB. I think those years on the IR hurt us big time in the Super Bowl. We can only hope that he starts to get it next year. He has the tools, he just has to put everything together. There is the possibility the bad decision making might be something he never loses, but we can only hope he does.
I think the Bears need to assume Rex is the QB next year, but not give him the job starting training camp. Make it an open competition and put some pressure on the kid. Show him that he has to stop the bad decision making. (Not to mention, our schedule is very difficult next year and more bad games may equal no playoffs for Bears) I don’t think Griese is a fantastic QB. But, he is good enough and has enough experience to challenge Rex in an open competition.
I don’t see bringing in veteran QBs as a way to solve the problem. Jeff Garcia is a system QB and I don’t think Ron Turners offense fits him at all. He also has a tendency to throw picks at the worst times, just like Rex. David Carr could be interesting, but looking at his stats nothing jumps out at me. Maybe a real offensive line and his favorite fresno receiver would make him a better QB, but I don’t know how much the Bears would want to give away for that chance.
Regardless, if we want to make it back next year, whoever the QB is, will have to play much better. We play at home against the cowboys, giants, broncos, saints, and chargers. Road against philly, ‘skins, chargers, raiders, and seahawks. plus, I think our divisional foes have no where to go but up. It won’t be easy. Let’s all pray they figure this mess out.
February 8, 2007
#60 Anonymous said . . .Hey Bear Fans: I am not one of you in fact I'm a Packer fan. But I love watching great football and it was fun to watch the Bears season. Sorry about the Super bowl. Okay, here are my comments concerning Rex. Since the window of time that an NFL team can be Super Bowl material is so short the Bears cannot afford to wait for Rex to mature. And frankly, that may never happen. He lacks the judgement, consistency and athleticism characteristics that are paramount in an NFL quarterback. I could not believe my eyes on some of those turnovers and as a result he hung what is probably the best defense in the NFL out to dry. Get rid of him him he's not getting better. Jeff Garcia is your man. He's free, he's a former pro bowler and veteran. Good luck Chicago and we'll see you out there next year.
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