With apologies to PO'd and the rest of the fervent Rex supporters, there is no argument against what I'm about to say. IF YOU CAN'T EXECUTE THE CENTER/QUARTERBACK EXCHANGE YOU DON'T BELONG ON A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL FIELD. Thirty-two men in the entire world get to start at quarterback in the NFL. Only one of them - ONE - consistently can't take snaps. If I woke up this morning and the Bears had waived Rex, I don't think I could have blamed them. Last night he looked like Chad Hutchinson did a few years back. Chad got cut. Rex gets the same old coma-inducing "he's our guy" mantra from players, coaches, management and the the tooth fairy.
As for the rest the rest of the team...they are who I thought they were. They're the most talented roster in the conference and should win a lot of games with an explosive defense and the best special teams in all the NFL. They need a quarterback.
#2 Ted in IA said . . .wait for the signal...
and three
and two
and one
and queue!
August 21, 2007
#3 Abe Gibron said . . .Amen, brother. How a guy can look so good one play, and then fumble the snap the next.. not once, not twice, but three times.
It is like watching a Special Olympics...
we are cheering that he won't trip over his shoes - or fumble the snap.
August 21, 2007
#4 JB said . . .Well, Rex Grossman once again looked like garbage last night. The guy puts together two solid games in a row, and some are ready to annoint him the next Brett Favre. But then he plays like crap against quality competition and we are back to square one at the QB position. I'm not an alarmist. And I realize that it IS preseason football. But criminy, if the bells and whistles don't go off after a performance like that then the Bears are in line to be the most disappointing and underachieving team in the NFL in 2007. Grossman is a problem. A big problem.
And for the love of God, please put Daniel Manning on the football field and lose this love affair with Adam Friggin Archueleta.
"Jeremiah was a bull frog, ...."
August 21, 2007
#5 JB said . . .Chill the fuck out. If this happens during the regular season, gripe all you want. Remember, this game doesn't mean a damn thing. The first fumble was not his fault (seriously, tell me it wasn't Fred Miller getting beat that caused that), interception was an awful read that never should have happened, fumbled snaps can and will be corrected.
What should be encouraging to those of you actually watching the game was 9-11...and one in particular, pocket collapses, rex rolls left with his eyes downfield and fires a strike to B-Twice along the sidelines for a BEAUTIFUL play...that play alone should have given you all the assurance you need. We also moved the ball pretty well against the, dare I say it, defending world champions... something we didn't do as well a few months ago.
So, let's chill out and hold judgment at least until the Chargers game...please.
August 21, 2007
#6 Abe Gibron said . . .And Jeff, do you really think that Rex is the first QB in the history of the game to fumble a couple of snaps? You're out of your mind. It happens all the time, you're just prejudiced against Rex and probably are focused on Bears games not others.
And Abe, don't say, I know it's only Preseason but... you can't do that...it's one or the other and the answer is that it's only preseason. period.
August 21, 2007
#7 Pissed Off said . . .The Rex Grossman apologists are already out in full force. With all due respect "JB," it is horseshit play like last night that is inexcusable from a 5th year QB in this league. Grossman is an inconsistent, injury plagued piece of shit. If you want to be seduced into thinking he is a fine quarterback based on cherry-picked sample size, then go right ahead. Pro football experts and most Bear fans no better. Grossman is an achilles heel on this team. The Bears will have zero shot of beating the San Diego Chargers with QB play like that. Zero.
August 21, 2007
#8 bfos7215 said . . .Abe where did you come from, just the kinda guy who likes to come out of the woodwork to bash Rex when he has some trouble. He must be the only QB to ever have issues, go back in your cave and never come back. Talk now but come regular season when Rex is having a pro-bowl year I'm sure I wont be hearing from you or the other fair weather guys. And I'm sure Rex thinks your a piece of shit too. Jeff, take a breath, read some of the posts from the last thread. Its preseason. Ted, it was two fumbled snaps, not three, if your going to post so passionately get your shit straight.
August 21, 2007
#9 Pissed off said . . .Of course it's inexcusable, but you're crazy or you just don't watch many football games if you think Rex is the only one who has trouble fumbling snaps.
August 21, 2007
#10 mikebdot said . . .JB, we got our work cut out for us bud. At least until the next presason game when afterwards Jeff, Abe, Ted, all Rex bashers, etc. will either be non-existent, quiet or backpedaling faster than Michael Moore eats twinkies.
August 21, 2007
#11 Abe Gibron said . . .[goofy] Michael Moore has publicly stated he has never eaten a twinkie. All you Michael Moore haters need to get your facts straight. If you think a fat guy can only be fat by eating twinkies you just need to wait until the regular season where they eat steak and potatoes. [/goofy]
I'm still on the bus...for now. He made the next stop look awful tempting though. I'm waiting until week 4 to jump off.
Griese did look pretty good, just so everyone knows. Of course, he was playing against scrubs...
August 21, 2007
#12 BPT said . . .Great. So lets rationalize to death the continued deeply disturbing play of Rex Grossman. And convince ourselves that it happens to all QBs. And that Grossman's erractic play won't serve to derail our prospects for a truly great season in 2007. I can't argue with the idiotic.
August 21, 2007
#13 AK said . . ."If this happens during the regular season, gripe all you want."
Are you joking? It has happened in the regular season. It has happened in the post-season. And now it happening in the pre-season.
WTF is the big deal about wanting to give Griese a fair look? I don't understand the Rex-defenders. We're not saying we don't like Rex, we're simply saying he can't execute a quarterback-center exchange. And screw Jay Mariotti, who I'm sure anyday now will write a piece bashing Rex to the point where it's personal. For myself, and it sounds like Jeff as well, it's not personal. It's simply about wanting to win football games.
It's time to at least, at a very minimum, consider naming Brian Griese the starter.
August 21, 2007
#14 BPT said . . .Rex is our guy. He's capable of playing great. We all saw glimpses of that last season. This is his last season and I know that Angelo and co. are not going to re-hire him if he screws up like that in a regular season game.
Last preseason, he was horrible and then he showed us 6 truly great games in a row. He'll start in San Diego and if he screws up, they'll bench him. We still have a dependable (if a little off sometimes) Griese, a vastly improved Orton and a team that is hungry for nothing less than the Super Bowl.
August 21, 2007
#15 Da Coach said . . .- - - "I promise you it won't be a problem," Grossman said. - - -
Why does he do this to himself? Does he not realize he's tying his own noose when he says stuff like this?August 21, 2007
#16 Da Coach said . . .It will be ok, Grossman will be fine. Let him work on the qb/center exchange in practice this week and next week this talk will all go away.
Complain all you want but Rex will be the starting qb and I have no problem with that.
BTW how great was it to see Hester almost break another one against the Colts? He is so electrifying to watch!!! I got a kick out of listening to the stories of how the special teams players of the colts begged the coaching staff to let them kickoff to Hester in the Superbowl.....classic!
August 21, 2007
#17 StartOlsen said . . .BPT.........I rather have a QB who has the confidence to know he will correct his mistakes and not run away from them.
August 21, 2007
#18 Nicole is miserable in this blue city said . . .I want to be consistant. I want to have consistant opinions and support Rex until he is no longer our starter. Its hard.
After the rushing TD the ESPN guys were laughing at him. Actually laughing at him. They cut to commercial with the sound of these fuckers laughing. I, for one, sat on my couch embarrased.
This IS preseason. We can't overreact. But San Diego is coming up fast, with Shawne Merriman and all of his Bonds-like physical tools are already bearing down on Rex, reaching out for that ball.
Maybe, what we should really be doing, is going back to our Orton-Griese debate...
August 21, 2007
#19 Phil from SATX said . . .Glad I'm wearin my boots this morning- it's gettin pretty deep in here.
There were pros and cons in the game last night for sure. I'm curious and just for arguements sake, I'll pose this question: Let's say it's game one, Rex misses a snap, then what? Is he benched? How you practice is how you play. Every play should be of utmost importance.August 21, 2007
#20 Abe Gibron said . . .AK, you sound very sure of that - I'm not so sure. I'm not sure that they'll pull Rex as the starter if he doesn't play well against the Chargers.
Here's what I want - a regular franchise with a named starter but a capable backup waiting in the wings in case the starter screws up. In other words, if Rex plays like crap in the first half of the game, go to Griese, see what he can do. No more protecting Rex. Make him prove his worth in every game.
While respecting JB's comment about "if it doesn't count because it's the preseason, it doesn't count", I give even more weight to BPT - this appears to be a continuation of last year's postseason and last year's regular season. Think about this as if it were a receiver who has a penchant for dropping balls, or a running back who fumbles. Either one says they fixed it over the offseason by working really hard - then you get to the preseason to see how they've done, and the receiver drops 3 catchable passes or the running back fumbles twice? In this case, preseason DOES matter.
BTW, fully expect Rex to perform well in the next two preeeasoners -he's facing the worst 2006 defense in the 49'ers next week and a just middling 2006 defense in the Browns. Against poor defenses, Rex is comfortable and seems to be able to perform great. It's against stout defenses that he seems to tighten up, pull out early, have his vision clouded, etc...
Bears, just agree that if Rex screws up in an otherwise winnable game in the regular season, we'll go to Plan B. Can we try that?
August 21, 2007
#21 JB said . . .Rex Grossman is bad. And Rex Grossman significantly rubs people the wrong way in this city. He's used up his career allotment of excuses and fan goodwill. If he continues to play with his head up his ass, then the backlash this go around is going to be severe and as nasty as it gets. Like most of the football "experts" and pundits across the country, I have very little faith in Grossman. I refuse to any longer be seduced by his brief stretches of quality play. It is always the case that his inconsistency and awfulness rears its ugly head. The San Diego Chargers will eat Grossman for lunch. So too will any reasonably good defense.
It is past due time to give Kyle Orton a meaningful opportunity to win the job.
August 21, 2007
#22 BPT said . . .no one is saying that if rex posts some of those awful games from last year again this year that we should stick by him no matter what...but guys, you have to understand the maturation of the QB. Do you guys remember Favre starting out? He was awful. Fumbled snaps...honestly, forget about it, it won't happen this year, it'll be corrected by, oh, today. And the one pick...well, it's one pick, he'll probably though 12 of them this year...it's going to happen guys. Call for Griese all you want, but remember that Rex has had a GREAT camp...everything up to last night was sparkling. And don't forget that his passes looked sharp! He'll be fine, call me idiotic Abe if you want.
August 21, 2007
#23 Rancid said . . .I agree with you to some extent Coach. There's no doubt that Grossman has confidence.
It just seems naive and childish for an NFL starting QB to be making "promises" during a national game. It's weak. We're the most dominant franchise in NFL history... we don't have to make "promises." Especially to Michele Tafoya.
Da Coach, can you imagine your namesake Ditka promising he'll do better next time?
Georga Halas founded this team with an underpublicized mean streak. No more kid gloves with Grossman. Either he gets it right or he should go.
August 21, 2007
#24 jeff said . . .I would probably be more critical of Rex, but we have no one else. Giving up on Rex means writing off the season. I can't do that. Is he the big question mark?, of course he is. But there is no decent Plan B. None. Greise is not Plan B. Greise is a backup for a reason. So I will scream insults at Rex. I will curse the day he was born when he throws stupid picks, I will scare my wife and small children with the rage I exhibit at his blunders. BUT, I will hold somewhere inside the honest belief that it could all end tomorrow. I will truly trust that I may have just watched the last dance of Bad Rex. I believe that. I believe it because I have to. I believe it because it must be true for the Bears to win the SB this year. I believe it because if Rex has a shitty year, so will the Bears. I don't believe in putting it all on the QB. We'll have a great playoff season even if Bad Rex lurks around. But we won't win a Superbowl. So I will be pissed at him but I will always maintain that he is the best option. Our best hope for a SB season is for Good Rex to move in for good. Since that's what I need to happen, that's what I have to believe will happen. I am not a blind supporter. I haven't bought his jersey. But I can't rail against him because if he fails, so do the Bears.
August 21, 2007
#25 jeff said . . .snaps. they are snaps. he can't take snaps.
August 21, 2007
#26 mikebdot said . . .snaps. they are snaps. he can't take snaps.
August 21, 2007
#27 Phil from SATX said . . .Rex didn't throw any passes more than 20 yards. Usually Turner lets him throw one 50 yards just to release the "bad rex" demons. I think on the first drive I would be willing to go three and out to see Rex drop back and hurl it deep three times, just to calm down a bit. Of course, if he fumbles the snaps that pretty much ruins that plan. Let's just hope his hand is touching Olin's crotch throughout the week (in a plutonic way of course) practicing his handling of balls. I've never wished that fate on another man before, but in this case it's a necessity.
August 21, 2007
#28 mikebdot said . . .Rancid, I think that's a reasonable stance - but it is based on your belief that behind Rex we have crap. If there is nothing behind Rex, then you're right about him and the season, and eternal optimism is the only way a sane fan can deal with the situation and stay sane without medication or turning off the TV, which we all know is not an option.
BUT, are you really so sure as Brian Griese couldn't do a good enough job for us? I'm not. I just don't know, because we haven't seen him in real game, winnable situations.
Let me throw out something from way left field - is there any chance, however remote or crazy that it sounds, that Olin Kreutz is subtly sabotaging Rex? Maybe because he thinks there's a better QB on the roster? I know it sounds crazy, and I have absolutely nothing to base it on except that it doesn't make sense to me that the best center in the league could be involved in these snafus. Haven't these two guys worked on this a lot?
And that said, do you really believe #54 when he says he's behind Rex 100%? Doesn't every player on the team (short of the backup QB's) have the same sinking feeling in their guts that we all did last night when we watched Rex do his thing?
August 21, 2007
#29 Mike said . . .Phil,
Someone on another board mentioned that same possibility with Olin. It's an interesting thought. I'm not going to buy into it, but it's certainly an interesting possibility. He might think Griese is better. I don't think a perennial pro-bowler would do such a thing, but who knows. One of the snaps was clearly late. I didn't see a replay of the other one. Regardless, Rex's other fumble and INT were signs that he has not learned to "take care of the football". If I do not see evidence of this in the first few games (or the next two) there is no way I'm going to defend Rex every again.
August 21, 2007
#30 Rancid said . . .If it makes you feel better, there are actually two who can't take snaps. I believe the Raiders have had either four or five botched snaps in each of their prereason games, most of which were by likely starter Daunte Culpepper.
August 21, 2007
#31 GP said . . .If the Bears were to go with Greise I think we are a good team, a playoff team, but I don't think we have a shot at the Superbowl. You can't win it with a backup. Greise is a good backup, I defenitely wouldn't call him (or Orton) crap. Most years thats a good year. But this year making the playoffs is not good enough. This year we have to win it all, and I just don't think our backups have the upside to do it. Therefore it has to be Good Rex, wherever the hell he went to.
August 21, 2007
#32 Nicole is miserable in this blue city said . . .Rex was the same QB last night that he was at the end of last season. His 9-11 passing number was a complete mirage --- outside of that slick pass to Berrian, he completed 8 passes for 32 yards. Pretty much every pass was a dump-off! Meanwhile, Griese again looked decent(and I say again because IMO he didn't look bad last week). It's hard to tell if it means anything, though, since he's always playing with/against the 2nd string. Here's a compromise that should make everyone happy: start Griese for one preseason game. For those of you who think Rex is the second coming of Peyton Manning, we're protecting him from injury (to stay warm, he can work on the snap exchange on the sideline). For the rest of us, we can at least see what we have in our expensive backup. It's not a terrific option, but do we have another?
I'll say this for Grossman -- he scored points with me for sitting through that sideline interview last night without getting pissed. That might be the most brutally honest line of questioning I've ever seen from a sideline reporter.
August 21, 2007
#33 Pissed off said . . .GP: I agree with you on the sideline interview. That lady didn't hold back! Rex needs to work on his verbage though. Saying "Um" and "You know" in every sentence makes you sound like a Packer.
August 21, 2007
#34 beardown1982 said . . .Hey BPT, if its about winning games how does 15 of them sound, we did that last year with Rex so shutty.
Good call Da Coach, Rex will be the starter and all the Rex haters will be distraught cuz they know he'll be starting and theres nothing they can do about it but come on here and bash him. Good thing the coaches/players/owners arent as stupid as the Rex haters and will start him cuz he's the best one we have and have had in seemingly forever.
Abe, seriously you want Orton to start, he's the #3 guy. Not #2, or #1, but #3. Giveit up and didnt we try that once. Why do you act like we are used to having great QBs. We dont have Manning or Brady, we have Rex. Deal with it and deal with the fact that he's the QB with the most potential we've had in over 13 years. Lovie, JA and the whole Bears team sees it, good thing their in charge, some of you idiots cant see it.
Rancid #23 is great, sums it up well, except I do have his jersey.
August 21, 2007
#35 said . . .I'm a Rex supporter. But, I'm a bigger Chicago Bears supporter. We have a great chance to finish the job tis season and win the Super Bowl. If these mistakes continue, we have to at least give Griese a shot. It can't hurt to at least try, hell, it might even be a good thing for Rex if he is benched after these continual mistakes. Sometimes, it is better to learn the hard way, than to have your hand held.
In the mean time, I still have hope Rex can figure this out and be ready for the Chargers in week one. If not, I'll be singing the Michigan fight song like the rest of the Rex Haters.
Random thought....how about Manning on that kick return!!! He can fly, we need to give him some reps there for sure if Hester needs some rest.August 21, 2007
#36 Phil from SATX said . . .Hey, the good news is we finally have something to talk about! 35 posts in record time! Too bad it's the same old topic, but that's not our fault, it's Rex's.
Totally agree with you BearDown, I'm still a Rex supporter who just wants to make sure that the coach is ready to pull him in the middle of a game when he's sucking it up - and yes, that could be exactly what he needs. Not saying that the first time Griese gets in means he's the starter, just that Rex has to have accountability, and on a real-time, game-time basis.
And yeah, Manning's a weapon I didn't know we even had. Awesome. Hester? You are re-DIC-ulous!!! And we did Mike Tirico think this is the first preseason action Garrett Wolfe's got? I thought he looked excellent AGAIN! So did AP! So did Benson!
August 21, 2007
#37 Prior Wood said . . .That was me, sorry.
August 21, 2007
#38 ron o -not a rex hater said . . .This is preseaon. If he's going to make mistakes I would rather have them now then against San Diego. Even with the fumbled snaps I am happy to see Rex move and roll out of the pocket and make completions.
On another note, the three stooges ( Jaws, Korn, and Tirico) are just awful. They really need to comment on the game and quit giving us stats from last season, updates on mike vicks updates, and just drop all the subjective commentary they spew. Worthless...
Thank god for Jeff Joniak and WBBM 720
August 21, 2007
#39 ron o -not a rex hater said . . .I am not a rex hater by any means! I am a season ticket holder that mad three road trips last year. The giants game, the arizona game, and the superbowl. For the SB I shelled out 12k for the trip to have my heart ripped out by grossman...
So now I expect more. I expect him to drop a snap. Everyone does. But to come out and show he will be another 11 passer rating one week followed by 101.... God I can't take it. I played center in high school and college. And in 7 years of playing cwnter with no one behind me that would ever get paid a pro salary I onlu had 1 fumble on the snap... With 4 different starting qbs. Its the qb. He gets scared...
August 21, 2007
#40 DTB said . . .I am not a rex hater by any means! I am a season ticket holder that mad three road trips last year. The giants game, the arizona game, and the superbowl. For the SB I shelled out 12k for the trip to have my heart ripped out by grossman...
So now I expect more. I expect him to drop a snap. Everyone does. But to come out and show he will be another 11 passer rating one week followed by 101.... God I can't take it. I played center in high school and college. And in 7 years of playing cwnter with no one behind me that would ever get paid a pro salary I onlu had 1 fumble on the snap... With 4 different starting qbs. Its the qb. He gets scared...
August 21, 2007
#41 Ed in CO said . . .I think you people are missing the main overriding factor in all of this banter. Kruetz is 5'10" and is a perrenial league leader in SWAC. Thats right, sweaty ass crack!
August 21, 2007
#42 jdawg said . . .Watching that game was really really painful. And not because of Rex. It was because of the 3 talking heads and the whole damm Vick story. ESPN really treated this preseason game as worthless and uninteresting. I wanted to see how some of our players play, and they have some split screen interview or update or BS story.
Everyone's already talked Rex to death. I'm sure 40 straight hours behind Olin's butt taking snaps while Pep Hamilton pours baby oil over his hands while screaming at his face will cure Rex's snap problems.
Anyways, anyone want to talk Defense? I loved how our first stringers stopped Addai on 4th down after Rex's pick. The defense was stout on a short field. I love how the D stiffens up in the redzone. I did notice on Indy's first touchdown, Addai walked in untouched behind a fantastic push/block of Urlacher and the left side of the line. A couple of great hits and interceptions by our 2nd/3rd string DB's too. I do like our depth.
August 21, 2007
#43 Phil from SATX said . . .To side step the main point of this post, I've noticed that in two pre-season games grossman has not gone deep. Since he had problems going to the check-down receiver last season, I wonder if Turner is using the pre-season to work on Grossman's short yardage passing?
If these were real games there would have been at least one bomb to Berrian in one of the two first series.
August 21, 2007
#44 Coxy said . . .Very witty Wilde, I mean Ed. No seriously, that was funny. I did notice lots of great defensive secondary plays by players who I believe may not make the team - was anyone keeping track? Payne, Graham, Mixon, are these guys going to make the team? And no one's commented on my previous Hass comment - did he move up past Rideau or will some other team get his hands?
August 21, 2007
#45 Pissed off said . . .Everybody's constant flip-flopping on Rex makes him feel that a preseason game is life or death. Relax everybody. We are all talking about how the gap between Orton and Griese is closer than Griese and Rex and a couple mishandled snaps and we are sending Rex to the CFL. He has had a good pre-season. His throwing mechanics looked good. First fumble was awful blocking.
Int and snaps were bad but it was preseason. A glorified practice. F-ing Cornheiser bringing up last year over and over makes me nuts. Guy has one thought a game and beats it to death like Vick does a pitbull.
Did everybody see the comparison or Rex's first year to Manning? Did everybody notice that we are three weeks from the opener?
August 21, 2007
#46 jeff said . . .Leave it to Coxy to be the voice of reason. Regarding Hass, that one grab he made was sweet. I think this guy is going to be pretty good some day, he has tremendous hands and didnt he win some award for being the best WR in college football last year? How did he drop so far in the draft, his size doesnt look that bad. Unfortunately for him we are pretty deep at WR, unless Bradley is put in IR Hass might be the odd man out. (its a joke about Bradley but can this guy ever stay healthy?)
August 21, 2007
#47 Lazarz said . . .let's be clear. i want rex to make the pro bowl. i want him to be great. but last night he was disgustingly terrible.
August 21, 2007
#48 Phil from SATX said . . .Kevin Payne is a MAN.
August 21, 2007
#49 Megan said . . .Maybe it's time to look at it a different way. We may just have to live with more bobbled snaps than anyone else in the league because of Rex's small hands and large fear that makes him need to scoot backward faster than anyone else. As long as blown snaps don't lead to turnovers, they're just blown plays. Interceptions are a bigger threat. And yes, he did throw one horrible one, but if he hadn't dropped all the snaps and just threw the one INT, I wouldn't have had a big issue, as bad as the INT was. I will say that he improvised better last night than I saw him do in practically any game last year, so THAT'S a major improvement that I've been wanting to see. A bobbled snap that is recovered by us, as stupid as it looks, is no worse than an errant throw that might have been intercepted but wasn't.
There, I guess I'm back on the bandwagon.
August 21, 2007
#50 Ed in CO said . . .Man! People! (Insert beat-box noises here...)
Coxy said it best. The man don't say much but when he does, he hits the nail on the head. Jeff, don't let your cheese slide off your cracker yet. Yes, I winced several times and I was worried. Butt,I was really happy to see the depth we seem to have more of now. There were some really good plays last night by not just the starters. I am once again trying to maintain the mantra..."it's preseason... ouuuwwwmmm."
August 21, 2007
#51 Nicole is miserable in this blue city said . . .I heard somewhere that Payne would probably make the team, don't know about Mixon or Graham. And it was a tossup between Rideau and Hass. Hass has better hands, but is slower than Rideau. Hass had the great catch in the 2nd game, but I think he was blanked in the first game. Rideau had more attempts, caught more balls, but I think he missed a couple too. Maybe he's a better route runner and gets open more? Is that why he's gotten more attempts? I don't know. Hard to break down anything when ESPN is interviewing Freeney, Grossman, etc on the sideline. How am I going to tell Lovie what to do, if I can't study the games? I saw that Rideau left the game in the 3rd quarter with and ankle injury, but haven't seen any update on that.
I wonder if the no deep balls thrown, was Rex being a bit nervous and not wanting to throw the interception. He could have seen the receivers not have a ton of space, and he just goes to his check down? Also has he had any snaps out of shotgun? I thought they were going to do more shotgun this year. I don't know if catching the ball when you can look at it is any easier than grabbing the ball without seeing it, but it would at least mix things up a bit. Give Rex a bigger view so he can see if the DE's are coming in close.
August 21, 2007
#52 Al in WI said . . .There's my female co-hort Megan! Anyone else ready for the 3o'clock cheers? Max is probably finishing off his keg from last night now that he can legally drink for pre-season games :)
August 21, 2007
#53 Larry in da Loop... said . . .I'm so tired of this, I'd just like to offer support to Po'd and Coxy for amongst others for being voices of reason. Thank you.
Let us review:
1. When Rex left the game the Bears were ahead.
2. The Bears won the game. So if it is about winning......
3. Grossman was 9 of 11 in passing.
4. On the int the defender jumped the route and made a play, it happens. It was not a falling off the back foot into triple coverage issue.
5. On the snap issue, could Kruetz have a roll here, as I remember this a lot with other qb's.
6. Rex scored a TD.
7. Griese had a pick last week that was worse, why don't we waive him too?August 21, 2007
#54 Phil from SATX said . . .Grossman's done in this town. We booed the sh- out of him during the Green Bay game when he posted a "ZERO." He'll go to San Diego and gum it up. We'll boo him during the home opener. Griese will be starting by the Dallas game. 'Nuff said.
August 21, 2007
#55 Gary in Chicago said . . .Larry, that doesn't sound like a fan to me. You're already planning to boo him in the opener? Might you actually be a Packer fan lurking in the loop?
August 21, 2007
#56 Harry in my pants said . . .Grossman was abysmal last night. I don't really care if he was 9 for 11. With the exception of one pass, the others were dink and dunks and therefore not much test of his QB prowess. What pisses me off to no end are several things.
1. The inability to perform at tolerable level against a good football opponent, or at least a good opposing defense.
2. The repeated bone-head interceptions thrown to a wide open defensive back on the flank or (as the case was last night) somebody clogging the middle with his hands up.
3. The fucking snap fumbles. I wish Olin Kreutz would grab the little prick by the neck the next time he can't handle another snap.
4. The sideline speeches where Grossman insists he won't make the mistake again. What a weasly bucket of puss he sounds like when he gives those interviews. And to needs to "own up" to Michelle Friggin Tafoya of all people?!?! Embarassing.Grossman sucks. And as a season ticket holder I ain't puttin' up with his shenigans much longer. This team won't accomplish dick with him under center for another year. Here's wishing he goes out with a season ending injury once again. And very soon.
August 21, 2007
#57 Da Coach said . . .I hate Rex Grossman. Boo hoo hoo.
August 21, 2007
#58 Max said . . .Real smart Larry boo him in the home opener........I apologize in advance but that is probably the dumbest comment I have read on this site today. You fair weather pos please save us all the aggravation and do not even show up to that home opener!!
August 21, 2007
#59 AfroCelt said . . .WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! I just woke up cause im a couple time zones behind you people. . . so i was about 75 comments behind.
1) I support Rex. thats it. Nothing i can say will change anyones feelings about the situation. He played bad. Its preseason. I hope he will do better.
(side note: My brother was telling me that last year before the SuperBowl when it looked like rain, Manning and the Colts center practiced taking snaps in the shower as to simulate rain. While this brings up many good jokes, it seems like a smart idea)
2) Everyone else played good. Payne is making the team. Graham is on the bubble and Mixon or whatever is not making the team.
3) THE REAL ISSUE: I just got done reading the comments to the previous post, and come on, please, mikedbot, you had to know i would take it personally, but there is no way Bradley makes that catch either and I resent the implication that it was Rashieds fault for Rex's interception.
thank you for the support Nicole
August 21, 2007
#60 Pissed off said . . .Side Note: I already wrote an angry letter to ESPN for the bias of Kornheiser...People like him will bow down and grovel for the Favres and the Mannings, and the worst part is that they know it AND THEY DON'T CARE. A color commentator is one thing, an arrogant asshole is another. At least I know he has playing/coaching experience that he uses...oh wait! He never actually played/coached!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Kornheiseroops.
August 21, 2007
#61 mikebdot said . . .Gary and Larry you both seem to be a couple of D-Bags. Heres what your gonna do Gary....your gonna sign over your season tickets to me because you cannot stand the sight of watching the Bears and your not going to charge me anything. Your simply gonna do it becuase you hate watching the Bears. 13-3 is not good at all in your opinion, neither is 7 games with a rating of 100 or better. You should go watch games in Oakland. Larry can come with you for company. You can cheer for Culpepper or Russell or Walter or whoever they trot out there. And speaking of small hands, nobody fumbles more snaps than "Ol Sausage Fingers" (Culpepper).
Good call Al, you need to throw JB in the voice of reason category too.
Let me throw in a boo hoo hoo to all the Rex haters also. Cry me a river
August 21, 2007
#62 Al in WI said . . .Mxa: Yes, I knew you would take it personally, but I just don't like Rashied that much. He doesn't have a big frame. He made two great plays last year. Most of the team had two great plays last year. Why are you riding his jock?
If you are going to run a 5 yard drag (or 3 yard drag in this case, which is dumb in itself as it was 3rd and 5) you should use a TE or other such big body. My opinion is they tried to pick on the rookie corner and that failed. The kid looks good. I still contend Davis is too small to run that route and be able to break away to get the extra yard or two after the catch. Not sure why you are taking it personal, but I knew you would. That doesn't mean I won't say it.
August 21, 2007
#63 Al in WI said . . .Thanks Po'd I'll throw in a kudos for Jb then as well.
From David Haugh in the Trib and worth remembering:
"If a pattern begins to form during the regular season, that will be a different argument. But Grossman's off-season progress has earned him the right to have a game as bad as the one he pitched against the Colts.You can't go into a game insisting it doesn't matter and then overreact and suggest starting a quarterback controversy based on the level of play in that game. That's as illogical as it is unfair.
No matter how much progress Griese or Kyle Orton have made the last couple of weeks, Grossman easily remains the Bears' most skilled player at the position and still gives the team the best chance at returning to the Super Bowl."
August 21, 2007
#64 Max said . . .By the way to all the fair weather over the top people; should Robbie Gould be cut now that has missed two field goals?
August 21, 2007
#65 Max said . . .Mike, first things first, i aint asking you not to say what you feel. Its the blog, you can write whatever you want to. And i agree Rashied might be to small to run that route, but it sounded like you were putting the blame on him instead of Rex.
I stick up for Rashied cause i like his story. Areana league star, to back up corner, to wide receiver contributing on one of the best teams in the league.
And while he only made 2 game changing plays last year, let me ask how many Bradley made??? i think the answer is 1. Just checking. Bradley certainly has potential for more, but hes gotta be healthy
August 21, 2007
#66 SHYDAWG said . . .I am just arguing about this now just so i dont have to keep talking about our quarterback situation
August 21, 2007
#67 mikebdot said . . .WELL ITS LOOKS LIKE THE GUY IS GOING FOR THE GOLD....U KNOW THAT "SPECIAL"GOLD .HEY BUDDY KEEP UR EYE ON THE BALL
August 21, 2007
#68 SHYDAWG said . . .Max: Bradley made two...Jets/Giants.
I agree, this is a great break.
While Davis' story is compelling, so is pretty much our whole team. Bradley has had to overcome injuries. Grossman has had to overcome Larry, Gary, (and Harry :) ). Briggs his contract. Benson his inner Ricky Williams-esqe demons. Hester with the muffed punts.
We can tell any story you want, just ask ESPN. I just think the play on the field should be the only story I care about.
I would have liked to see Olsen out there with the first team offense, especially on that play. But whatever. We'll see how the season shapes up. I think Davis would be much better on 3rd and 8+ so he's running full speed wherever he is going, not within the 5 yards being man-handled by a rookie. I honestly think there was pass intereference on that pass.
August 21, 2007
#69 SHYDAWG said . . .GIVE OR TAKE IM A FAN TILL DEATH SO I ONLY HAVE ONE THING TO SAY TO ALL U HATERZ GO BEARS MUTHER FUCKERS C YA IN SEPTEMBER
August 21, 2007
#70 Larry in da Loop... said . . .GIVE OR TAKE IM A FAN TILL DEATH SO I ONLY HAVE ONE THING TO SAY TO ALL U HATERZ GO BEARS MUTHER FUCKERS C YA IN SEPTEMBER
August 21, 2007
#71 Max said . . .PO'ed, next time you're with your psychic ask her when you'll be taking your head out of your ass.
In 2005, we won 11 games with Kyle Orton. We win games despite our QB's, not because of them. Number of wins has no bearing on whether a QB sucks or not.
Let's look at Trent Dilfer. He sucked but the Ravens still won the Super Bowl. However, HE WAS THEIR BEST QB.
Griese is our best QB. Start him to give us our best chance to win. Lovie will reach this conclusion by week 3.
I won't guarantee it, but I will "promise" it. Whatever that means... ask Grossman.
August 21, 2007
#72 mikebdot said . . .I suppose, although Rashieds came in the 4th quarter or overtime. But we are arguing apples and oranges. Olsen would have been a much better call there no question. Why wasnt he playing with the first team?? He didnt make a catch til Griese and the second team was in there, did he?
And Bradley, if he stays healthy, will be a better receiver than Rashied. I just hope he gets the chance to prove it.
oh, and i dont think shydawg is all the shy. . . call me crazy
August 21, 2007
#73 Gary in Chicago said . . .Max: I'll give you the clutch factor, but like I said, 8+ yards when he's running full speed up the seam, making the safety guess. That's when I want him in there.
August 21, 2007
#74 ron - not a rex hater said . . .David Haugh is a joke. His opinion of the Bears and key players (e.g., Grossman) changes with the wind. "Grossman has earned the right to have a bad game..." Bullshit. Tell that to 98% of Bear fans pal. Look, lets get something perfectly straight. I want Rex Grossman to perform well and for the QB position to be a strength of the Bears. But neither will happen. The guy plays like a yo-yo. His suppporters get seduced by a couple good games he pieces together versus the dregs of the NFL.
If Haugh wants to blow Grossman's cock this week, then let him.
August 21, 2007
#75 ron - not a rex hater said . . .Ok. Then let's ask this question. Would you rather hav 16 games at a 80 qb rating plus or minus 10 every game.
? Or what we had last year leading up to and during the SB?
rex supporters tend to be blind. They point out things like his 7 100 + qb rating games while giving him a pass on all the others. What a bear fan that is not a hater (me) is saying that the unpredictable is unacceptable in football cuz you can't game plan to over come it. So staight and level is better and until rex can show so smooth numbers and consistent play he will not be loved by all. Show me 5 or 6 good games for every one bad. And then go back to 5 or 6 more good ones. After week 5 last year I could have shot myself.
August 21, 2007
#76 JB said . . .Ok. Then let's ask this question. Would you rather hav 16 games at a 80 qb rating plus or minus 10 every game.
? Or what we had last year leading up to and during the SB?
rex supporters tend to be blind. They point out things like his 7 100 + qb rating games while giving him a pass on all the others. What a bear fan that is not a hater (me) is saying that the unpredictable is unacceptable in football cuz you can't game plan to over come it. So staight and level is better and until rex can show so smooth numbers and consistent play he will not be loved by all. Show me 5 or 6 good games for every one bad. And then go back to 5 or 6 more good ones. After week 5 last year I could have shot myself.
August 21, 2007
#77 Max said . . .Ron, I really don't know what you just said. This site has blown up today! Talk about a big discussion topic. I think that the cooler heads have prevailed in the argument today, and David Haugh really put it best. Gary, Larry et al, you guys are honestly showing some knee jerk reactions and obviously haven't been following the progress of the entire preseason. If you want to yell for grossmans head in a meaningless game, you might as well boo santa clause and be an eagles fan.
anyways, I think the argument is over. I completely agree that the drag route should have been run by Olsen or Dez, not davis...by the way, I thought Ced looked pretty good running the ball when he had some space. Payne will certainly make the roster as will McBride, but that Mixon won't (agree with whoever posted that earlier)...I think Justin Gage could have even caught that ball so that INT really didnt mean anything.
August 21, 2007
#78 Larry in da Loop... said . . .Those are some good points ron. I can understand that point of view and i cant argue with consistent QB play.
From my standpoint, I just see so much potential with Rex. I dont turn a blind eye to his bad games, but his good games just give me so much hope that as a Bears fan we finally have a QB capable of being great for a long time as opposed to our normal circus we have had there for 20 years that I can forgive him for this past game.
If he comes out and has bad rex syndrome for the first 3 or 4 games. Then i might change my tune. But I just cant give up on the guy yet. Even when he looks as down right ugly as he did last night.
August 21, 2007
#79 Midway Monster said . . .JB, come on... we all read the same sites, so yes, I've been following the preseason. And you're right, it's been reported over and over how "sharp" Grossman has looked.
Guess what though? Every local paper around the country says the same damn thing about their QB. But as AI said, "We're talking about practice." It's easy and non-competitive and Grossman runs around like a fairy in a red jersey to remind everyone not to tackle him. But last night, when another team was actually on the field, he looked liked shit. But unlike Gould (Al in WI), we've seen Grossman do this before. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a pattern. We're now seeing a pattern of piss poor play from Grossman.
Griese will be starting by the Dallas game.
August 21, 2007
#80 Max said . . .Guys, I thought this through. I have to admit that missing a center exchange is always blamed on the Center
- BUT-
for cripes sake, this is an ongoing problem.
Pull that cord and let Midway off the Grossman Train to Almost-Win-Town. Call me over reactive. Call me two faced. Nonetheless - I need to avoid another 4 months in rehab and:
It's August and Midway is
getting off the Grossman
Train at this stop.--Midway--
August 21, 2007
#81 mikebdot said . . .'Tis a sad day
August 21, 2007
#82 Midway Monster said . . .Midway is an over-reactive, two-faced son of a...monster?
If I'm still on the bus when you get back on, I'll save a seat for you. I'm hoping that's necessary...otherwise, after week 3 or 4 I'm bailing too.
August 21, 2007
#83 Midway Monster said . . .My fellow brothers and sisters; I know you bleed orange & blue just like I do. If you feel I am 2-faced, no prob- The Midway can take it... So bring it.
To seek common ground- I think we agree that we ought to let the best man win the position right? Well, I do not see The G-man as "da best". You can call me names but realize that the Midway is out of rehab, he is tan, he is rested, he lost a bit of weight and has been working out. Yeah, The Midway is standing tall. But mostly; The Midway is 100% right and 100% confident. So, thanks but keep your seat on the G-man Train, I am off it & waving bye-bye as you all pull out.
That said, always remember that the Midway is not here to cause no trouble, He is just here to repeat a Super Bowl shuffle.
--Midway--
PS - Someone pass the can of stick-em to Grossman will ya.
August 22, 2007
#84 Phil from SATX said . . .Final thought: Only 19 more shopping days until we do this $h*t for real. Now I ask ya; do you really think we are ready at QB? As they said on Apollo 13: "Huston, we have a problem".
--Midway--
August 22, 2007
#85 Al in WI said . . .Say what you want, guys and gals, I say this was one of the most fun blog days in some time.
I want some concensus. Here's what I think most everyone (the -arry's notwithstanding) should be able to agree to:
1) Doesn't matter what happens for the rest of the preseason, obviously Rex stays the starter and is the starter for the Chargers.
2) Rex stays the starter right up until the point where he has a bad Rex game.
3) If, in a given game, Rex turns bad Rex, Rex gets one additional quarter (or so) to correct it.
4) Since history shows Rex becomes Bad Rex early in games, there should be plenty of time to make this assessment.
5) If Bad Rex cannot morph to Good Rex in the extra quarter, yank Bad Rex's ass. Put in the $5 million dollar man. See what happens.
6) (this one's controversial) No matter what happens the first time Rex's yanked, put him back as starter in the next game.
7) Rinse, repeat. However, the second time he's yanked, if $5MM does a good job, he's the starter from then out.
How does that sound? Who disagrees? Last year the coach was protecting Rex. This year, his contract year, he cannot be protected. And since in reality the coaching decisions about Rex could be considered to have cost us a Super Bowl last year (although their decision understandable) this year we cannot allow an inconsistent Rex to cost us Our Super Bowl. A slightly better than average, but consistent, quarterback will win us a Super Bowl. The other parts of our team are that good (and the defense will not repeat its game plan/performance from last year).
August 22, 2007
#86 Larry in da Loop... said . . .Larry,
That three bad games and your out view point is why we have had a revolving door at quartback for about 40 years.
While other teams have stuck with struggling qbs (Favre, Young, Elway, Aikman, Brees, and many, many more) and let them develope. NFL Quarterback is the toughest position in sports, and rarely does one become great overnight.
And this retarded manage the game crap "just like Dilfer," is so tired. The reason everyone remembers that example is because it's the exception, not the rule. That happened one time, the overwhelming majority of NFL Champs have had legit qb's playing well. If you think that you could beat the Colts in the regular season 13-10 behind a Kyle Orton circa 2005 140 yards passing you're smoking something. The defense is good, but it's not that good.August 22, 2007
#87 Larry in da Loop... said . . .I agree with nearly all of what Phil said.
However, I say make RG start running the gauntlet this week against the 49ers. Do we really owe Rex an unobstructed path to be the week one starter? I mean, it's not like he blew the Super Bowl or anything. Also, everyone agrees the 3rd preseason game has some significance. Or at least Dennis Green does.
I'm even with Phil on the controversial number 6. Why not yank him and then give him time to realize he's in his contract year and won't get paid very much for holding a clipboard? Trot him back out there and let him regroup. I'm fine with that.
I'll even throw this in. If he brings the heat for the first 5 or 6 regular season games, say through that home Vikings game, then by all means cut him some slack for at most a game or two.
But..... the b.s. above is all for not. Because Rex can't do what you want him to do. I don't like saying that, and I doubt Jeff enjoyed getting this party started by posting we need a new quarterback. We're all Bears fans, that's patently obvious. But exactly like last year, this town is split between "stay the course" and "time for change." We can't stay at this level forever. All systems are "go" except our main engine. Bench him and start Griese.
August 22, 2007
#88 JB said . . .Poll from chicagosports.
"Okey doke, Bears fans, whaddya think of Rexy now?
28.4% - Rex all the way (2575 responses)
39.8% - I'll give him a few regular-season games (3612 responses)
11.5% - He gets Week 1 to prove himself (1042 responses)
3.2% - One slip-up Saturday, and he's gone (292 responses)
12.0% - Griese should start Saturday (1092 responses)
5.0% - No, I want Orton (453 responses)
9066 total responses"
I'm definitely in the minority that wants to hang the kid. Maybe it's because growing up, when I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really.
August 22, 2007
#89 Max said . . .Miller getting beat + awful pass + uncalled false start leading to fumble + sweaty hands leading to fumble (recovered and put in two plays later for 6 points) = 87 posts...four plays is what we are talking about...two of which you can't put on Rex. So, we are talking about two plays...an interception on an awful throw and a missed QB/center exchange. Half of us are willing to see it for what it is and go with it, half of us want to cut Rex and go with Griese. I think this is easily the most polarizing issue we've had on here in awhile.
This is what I propose, please put down your vote as to where your opinion is officially (no fence riding). Tally your vote from the previous post and only vote once, I'm interested to see where this goes, and more importantly, want to have everyone on record as making a stand RIGHT NOW. None of this flip flop BS to save your rep.
I'll start it off: I support Rex (duh)
Support Rex: 1
Support Griese: 0August 22, 2007
#90 Coxy said . . .Phil, I like that plan. It gives him a chance.
That being said, following JB's lead:
I support Rex.
Support Rex: 2
Support Griese: 0(If this actaully catches on, it should be fairly interesting to see. I say more people are jumping on the Griese bandwagon when all is said and done.)
August 22, 2007
#91 big rob said . . .Anyone else think that skinny Orton looks like Clay Aiken?
August 22, 2007
#92 GP said . . .Support Rex: 3
Support Griese: 0And I also have a Rex Jersey.....
Either wearing it to the promiseland....
Or Crashing burning down in flames.....
GO BEARS!!
August 22, 2007
#93 Larry in da Loop... said . . .I love how some Rex lovers out there point to his regular season record as why he should never lose his starting job. Remember Jim Miller? He went 13-3...no nostalgia for him? Remember Kyle Orton? He took us to the playoffs as a *real* rookie (none of this "well, Rex was really a rookie since he was injured, see." crap). Why was he benched the next year -- all the way to #3 behind Griese? Remember Mike Tomczak? He went 14-2 way back when. Was he a great QB? The bottom line is that Kyle Orton could have taken us to the playoffs last year. It's not out of the question that he could have taken us to the Super Bowl as well, since the NFC was so friggin' weak.
If you're going to say that Rex is better than Kyle Orton, you've got no argument here -- although I'm not sure that he's better than Griese for this team. I'm just sick of hearing people justify Rex's mistakes by talking about his won-lost record.
August 22, 2007
#94 said . . .Support Rex: 3
Support Griese: 1I told you so!
I wanted to get that out of the way now so when Lovie goes to the bullpen for the Dallas game and I won't have to revisit the issue. Other than that, I think we're all on the same page.
August 22, 2007
#95 Pissed off said . . .Larry, everything you've said in post #70 makes me wonder if you ride the short bus. "number of wins has no bearing on the QB" thats just stupid. Seriously, Colts had no shot to win the SB without Manning, the Niners back in the day without Steve Young, no shot. Face it, we need Rex to perform well for us to get to the Super Bowl, Griese has been a career backup and thats why he's there, he's never led a team anywhere, Rex took us to the SB. And good luck with your promise, Rex will be starting all year, just like he did last year.
Gary, who would you rather see at QB, Griese? And when he throws 3 picks in a game and gets sacked 6 times cuz he has no mobility and we lose then who will you call for to be QB....Orton? Then when he fucks the dog who will you call for? WHO!?!?! We've been down this for more than a decade. You fair weather pieces of shit cant decide what the fuck you want and when a good QB with some potential comes along you hate on him. Then the next guy comes in, sucks it up and you hate on him, you guys are all fucked up in the head, theres nothing we can do, no magic switch to give us a QB who never will throw a pick in his whole career or make a bad pass.
Max #77 says it all well, and I do agree that we need more consistent play but if it doesnt come what do we do, we have to live with it cuz he's the guy whos shown he can be a star at times.
Phil you can lay out all the scenarios you want but I highly doubt Lovie is reading your posts saying "yeah after one bad rex quarter I have to pull him but then I'll give hime one quarter to correct it" you cant put exacts on things like that, you have to see how the whole game has gone, what if we only have one possession in any given quarter, you give him one possession to fix it?
Al #85 is so true, Dilfer is the exception, not the rule, it will rarely happen if ever again.
GP, your comments dont even deserve a response.
DUH : Support Rex:4
Griese: 1August 22, 2007
#96 Phil from SATX said . . .#94 is me
August 22, 2007
#97 Brian from Section 430 Row 30 said . . .Al, if we were a middlin' to crappy team it would make sense to discuss the long term ramifications of flip flopping on quarterbacks. It makes no sense to talk about that with this team. Just as it makes no sense to talk about Rex just in comparison to former futility at the position (something frequently trotted out in one of the many Rex discussions). This is a team that HAS to win now. By that fact, it makes the QB decision a short term decision.
Does that mean you have to cut Grossman? Hell no, it's very possible that Grossman just needs more seasoning, more experience, more maturity, which may come this season, or it may take a bunch of seasons. So go ahead and sign him to a long term deal, make him the quarterback of the future. But we can't sacrifice this season to bring him along. If he falters, they have to be ready to see if the backup can do better, by which we mean be good CONSISTENTLY. Great game followed by terrible game won't cut it this season.
I stand by my plan of last night, so I think that makes me a support Grossman guy, until he falters and shows he needs to be benched. I would have voted in the second category on that chicagosports poll.
August 22, 2007
#98 Pissed off said . . .I know this is going to sound greedy but I want to win the Super Bowl with a home grown QB. There is somthing about watching another team's quarterback lead the Bears that leaves me less satisfied. I know it sounds stupid but one of the things I really like about this Bears team in particular is that the vast majoirty of our players were drafted by the Bears. That being said, I think Rex is better than Orton.
My Vote: Support Rex
Rex: 4
Griese: 1August 22, 2007
#99 Rancid said . . .That actually makes support Rex: 5
Greise:1August 22, 2007
#100 Rancid said . . .Phil should work for the UN. I believe his plan represents the best hope for peace in our lifetime. As I have previously stated, I support Rex because I don't think Griese is the answer and I want the Superbowl so I believe that the best hope is for Good Rex to become the dominant half of Rex's multiple personality disorder.
However, Phil's plan creates a good backup if that doesn't happen. Since I don't think we can win win the Superbowl with either Griese or a dominant Bad Rex, I would then be ok with Phil's plan. I think that technically places me as a Rex supporter (although very cautiously and potentially temporary) So:Rex:5
Greise: 1August 22, 2007
#101 mikebdot said . . .Pissed Off beat me, make that
Rex:6
Greise:1August 22, 2007
#102 mikebdot said . . .Support Rex: 6*
Griese: 1* Unless "support Rex" means "support Rex regardless of his performance during the first, say, 4 games. If he fumbles a lot of snaps and throws 10 picks, I think we all know what we should do. I "support Rex" in that I think he should start at least 4 games. Hopefully this is adequate to be in the "support Rex" category.
August 22, 2007
#103 AK said . . .Grrr: 7* vs. 1, * etc.
August 22, 2007
#104 Al in WI said . . .#84 Phil from SATX - I agree with everything you said.
Support Rex: 8
Griese: 1August 22, 2007
#105 Al in WI said . . .A Vote for the 2nd qb in franchise history to lead us to the super bowl.
Could have the bears made the playoffs last year with Orton? Likely. Could have they been the #1 seed in the NFC? No Way, Could have they beaten Seatle in OT in the playoffs? Nope. Therefore could have they taken it to the bowl? Not a chance. When Orton was our qb we averaged less than 20 points a game, with Rex we are in the mid 20's. There is a major difference.
Rex 8
Other 1August 22, 2007
#106 mikebdot said . . .Ok 9-1!
August 22, 2007
#107 Pissed off said . . .It occurred to me that Rex Grossman is sort of like my golf game. I'll hit a 330 yard drive...followed by topping the ball 30 yards cuz I get on my toes...then I'll hit it within 3 feet...miss the putt and mark it a bogey.
If he can just make pars this year, I think we're golden.
(yeah, I know, stupid analogies, but I thought it was at least mildly amusing)
August 22, 2007
#108 Larry in da Loop... said . . .Doesnt look like the votes are swaying in Griese's favor yet, Coxy is a Rex guy but he hasnt officailly voted yet. Jeff will vote for Griese and so will Gary among a couple others, number will still heavily favor Rex when its all said and done. Glad to see cooler, and shall I say smarter, head prevail.
By the way Jeff and/or Noah, we still need to get set up for the Sunday blogs (me JB and Midway) and with the final two preseason games lurking we should get that taken care of soon. Thanks
August 22, 2007
#109 StartOlsen said . . .Looks like the tribe has spoken. I'll excuse myself and standby for the inevitable meltdown. Or maybe I'm wrong and the kid will come through. We'll see.
August 22, 2007
#110 jeff said . . .Right now I have to throw my lot in with Rex and stubbornly support him. It is the preseason, already.
HOWEVER I won't do it in the regular season. No way, not again. If he plays like that against SD, fuck it, I'm out, I'm never supporting him again and Ill push Griese all year. I don't care if that makes me short sighted or fair weather, I just don't want our QB beating us this year.
Face facts, without Grossman's play we likely win the Super Bowl. We are spotted a lead, defense and special teams got TOs, TJ ran well and our D kept Manning out of the end zone most of the day.
All we need is field goals on a few of those drives, safe Griese drives, and we win. It was 22-17 before the pick 6, right? Two field goals instead of picks/fumbles and we were up.
So, I am sticking with Rex, until he blows it when it counts.August 22, 2007
#111 Da Coach said . . .can i just say welcome to all the new folks to the site. jumping 100 comments in the preseason is a big deal. bear down, baby.
August 22, 2007
#112 AK said . . .Rex Supporter
Rex 10
Griese 1
August 22, 2007
#113 jonathan said . . .Jeff - I should have said I'm a first time poster but a long time reader. Keep up the good work on the site.
August 22, 2007
dude, rex just needs to keep some talcum powder in his little QB cozy -- keep those hands dry! Or better yet, some resin....
August 26, 2007
Here at DaBearsBlog, you are free to kill us or the Bears as you so wish. You are not free, however, to be an asshole. So if you spew racism or ill-meaning foul language (cursing about football is just fine) or anything of that ilk, your comments ain't gonna last long, jerk.