I remember a day not too long ago. A day before every five year-old had a cell phone. A day before trans fat was a thing. A day before Al Gore was a symbol of hope.
That day - not so long ago - the Chicago Bears tried to convince us that a stable of wide receivers named Marty Booker, Dez White, Justin Gage and Bobby Wade was of a professional caliber. Granted, Marty was a good Bears. Dez White could not catch then and cannot catch now. Justin Gage is one of the five worst football players alive. Bobby Wade fumbled seventy-three consecutive punts. They also decided for the better part of a decade to leave the tight end roster spot un-filled.
Now there is a new day. The Bears enter their 2007 Campaign For Football Immortality with two young studs (Berrian, Bradley), a proven veteran (Moose), a rock star (Devin Hester) and a slot man with a penchant for the big play (Rash Davis). Desmond Clark is arguably one of the most versatile tight ends in the game but the Bears went out and drafted the star of camp thus far - Greg Olsen. Don't look now but the Chicago Bears might score an awful lot of points in the coming season. An organization that has forged a legacy on great defense and a ground attack has quietly assembled a fleet of receivers that can stand toe-to-toe with some of the league's best units.
But there's this saying about a tree falling in the woods...
If you've got a great corps of pass catchers and no one to throw them the ball...
In other words...it's the quarterback, stupid.
#2 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .It's true that Rexy's overall stats were pretty abysmal last year, and it did seem at times like he thought he was playing Tecmo Bowl and could just drop back as far as he wanted and then launch the ball the length of the field.
But here's hoping he's managed to pull himself together like the training camp reports seem to say he has. And, hey, if he can't, there's always Orton, right? I hear he actually practiced this offseason! And lifted weights!
Regardless, it should be fun to see what this offense can do.
August 5, 2007
#3 Marcus said . . .#1
Can for once this not turn into another thread of "for Rex vs against Rex"I can't wait to see these WR's play.Last guy I was excited about was Conway.So having more than 1 WR as a threat is qutie refreshing.
August 5, 2007
#4 jdawg said . . .#2 Um. That's not at all what I was trying to do. It sounds like Rex is looking good so far, and I hope to see that continue into the actual games. That seems like a safe statement.
Yeah, Conway and Graham seem like about the last time I can remember thinking our WRs were fun to watch. Now I'm even looking forward to seeing what Bradley and Hester, the fourth and fifth receivers, can do. It's exciting.
August 5, 2007
#5 said . . .Oh for God's sake, we all know where this thread is heading.
August 5, 2007
#6 JB said . . .What's going on with David Ball? He sounded like a great signing after the draft, but I haven't read a single thing about him since.
August 5, 2007
#7 Max said . . .I just vomited a little in my mouth.
Read chicagobears.com and listen to Larry Mayer and how in love he is with Rex Grossman right now. Let's listen to someone who has seen every training camp pass.
STOP WORRYING ABOUT REX
It'll be interesting to see if there are enough balls to go around in this new offense.
August 5, 2007
#8 Rancid said . . .I just want the first preseason game to start already . . . And Rashied is a beast
August 5, 2007
#9 Marcus said . . .I haven't heard anything about David Ball either and it seems that is any of the "other" wideouts have a shot at making the roster, it's probably Drisan James or Mike Hass, although I don't think we'll carry more than 5 (Moose, BB, Bradley, Davis, Hester). I think that this is a fantastic wide receiving corps. A tough proven guy in Moose and a bunch of track stars. Rex should have no shortage of targets this year.
August 5, 2007
#10 Phil from SATX said . . .#5, #8
This article from the Daily Herald makes it sound pretty clear that if they do keep a sixth receiver, it'll probably be Mike Hass.August 6, 2007
#11 Midway Monster said . . .Don't know who else watched, first game of real live football last night on NFL Network - Steeelers vs. Saints. I know it's just the first game of preseason, but I have to say that Drew Brees was terrible - he picked up right where he left off in January against the Bears. I think he is a very overrated QB who did not look that different from "bad Rex" in some of his losses. That doesn't mean he's a bad QB, I think he's actually better than average, but to hear the diametrically opposite reviews the two QBs get is pretty ridiculous.
Also, Steelers showed a vicious pounding running game that I only hope Ced B and the Bears can emulate. This is no news flash but it was very evident last night how much easier that makes the passing game. If I have worries this year on the offense, it's that the seduction of the passing game with all its weapons will take away from a commitment to run, regardless of the standard company line. And that behind Ced, while we have some good players, do we have the vicious pounder if Ced pounds himself into the ground?
Ah, it's great to watch football again, even if it's preseason and not my team! Next Saturday awaits!
August 6, 2007
#12 mikebdot said . . .Of course you all know Midway's take on this by now .... While the QB is valuable and important (and usually a pretty boy). It's my (correct and brilliant) opinion that:
It's not the quarterback, stupid.
It's the defense, dummy.--Midway--
August 6, 2007
#13 Pissed off said . . .Grrr, my comment got held up again because I have too many links.
I will recreate with one link. Go here:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/qbindex.htm
Look at Warren Moon, Ron Jaworski, Dan Fouts, Jim McMahon, and whoever else you want to look at, but those individuals are proof that we really ought to give Grossman at least this full season and probably a few more to see what he's made of.
I'm firmly on the Grossman bus. Thanks PO'd for doubting me, it made me really go look at why I think we shouldn't give him a chance after this season and I can't really find one.
Bear Down!
August 6, 2007
#14 Pissed off said . . .Are you fucking retarded Marcus? his overall stats were abysmal? you need help! Look at the stats of our QBs from about 13 years before that and then talk...your a piece of shit. And Orton, seriously you think he's the answer, holy shit someone hold me back.
Jeff, I'm going to go back in the archives when Rex has a stellar year and reference and re-post all your Rex bashing posts, subtle(like this post) and not subtle and tear them to shreds with the proof of his upcoming great season. Your probably right though, I'd rather have Steve Walsh or someone like that.
By the way when are we going to get setup, (me, midway and JB) for our Sunday posts, the preseason is around the corner you know.
August 6, 2007
#15 Pissed off said . . .Ok I'm sorry, calling you a piece of shit was uncalled for, I apologize, seriously I do. But are you blogging from like a halfway house, or mental institution or something? I cant believe you said that. Do something for me, go and compare his overall stats from last year to that of some of the great QBs first full season. He's comparable to Favre, better some would argue, and he's been decent throughout his career hasnt he?
August 6, 2007
#16 mikebdot said . . .Well I went back and looked at first full year stats for Montana, Aikman (wasnt very good), Tarkenton, Bradshaw, and Steve Young, and guess what, for the most part, none of their stats even touch those of Rexy's from last year, Huh. Funny, he was soooo bad though, or as you put it abysmal. Yeah those guys I mentioned turned out to be pretty abysmal for thier career too. Do some more resarch, theres a nice link to all the stats for the QBs in the hall of fame you can compare.
August 6, 2007
#17 Al in WI said . . .PO'd: Montana's stats were actually quite good his first full year considering he was splitting snaps with Steve DeBerg. Yes, I know you said "for the most part". Montana stats were always really really good (with the exception of playing 8 games in '86...not sure if he was injured or what).
In any event, that site is freaking awesome. I found it looking for some Walter Payton stats. I had no idea he led the team in receptions (not necessarily yardage, but he did that too a few years I think) for like 6 or 7 years. He was a damn horse.
August 6, 2007
#18 mikebdot said . . .Living in Cheese country I can tell you that Brett Favre had 24 ints his first year as a starter. And at that time the fans wanted him benched for Ty Detmer. Just think how ridiculous that looks now. I feel that the Rex bashing will look the same way 10 years from now.
August 6, 2007
#19 Coxy said . . .Geez, Joe Namath was really not a good QB. If Grossman had last year's season 10 times and happens to win a Super Bowl, he'd be in the hall, especially if he was a pompous ass the whole time. My god:
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=161
(you need to click on statistics)
Those stats are not hall of fame quality. 50.1 comp %. Wow. That's abysmal! In '76 his rating was 39.9. Ha ha ha. Wow. In fact, 74.3 is his best rating for any year. Rex's was 73.9 last year....not too much different.
August 6, 2007
#20 jdawg said . . .Its great to be excited about both sides of the ball. I still give the edge to the D in terms of my excitement. The first half of the year the defense was awesome to watch. Opposing QB's claimed that it was a dirt stain on their pants, but we all know what it really was. With Brown and Harris healthy again, it should be awesome. Can't wait.
August 6, 2007
#21 jeff said . . .verily... even as I speak it has come to pass.
August 7, 2007
#22 Marcus said . . .i don't understand why people think i'm anti-rex. i love whoever is throwing the ball for the bears. i'm simply stating a fact: the pieces are there. and without making it the focus of the post, the bears biggest question mark is quarterback again for the 20th consecutive year.
August 7, 2007
#23 Pissed off said . . .Uh, PO'd? I understand it's your shtick and everything, but I think you're firing at the wrong guy here. I actually think Grossman's gonna have a really good year this year, and I really have little doubt he's capable of quarterbacking this team to the Super Bowl again. I'm well aware that many big-name QB's have sucked pretty hard for their first season or two. Rexy's stats were dragged down pretty significantly by some godawful games (MN #2? jeez...), so I don't think his overall stats are too accurate a representation of the season he had last year. Which, btw, I had loads of fun watching. Mostly. I don't think his season was abysmal last year, just his final stats.
(yes, I'd take Grossman over every other Bears quarterback for the last 13 seasons; not retarded; the Orton thing was mostly a joke, maybe check your irony sensors?; apology accepted; San Francisco, so not exactly a halfway house or mental institution, but it's easy to see how you might make that mistake)
August 7, 2007
#24 mikebdot said . . .I agree AL, those who called for his head will look stupid 5-10 years from now, but thats Chicago fans for ya.
I told you guys to look at those stats of those HOF QBs, Rex's first full year is on par if not better (significantly better than some) than some of those guys. I realize when he was bad he was real bad but he had far more ups than downs. He had 7 games with a rating of 100 or better, only second in the league to Bulger and he was like 6th or something among all QBs in TD passes last year, he doesnt suck people!
Jeff its just your opinion that QB is the biggest question mark this year. I dont think it is. I think its the running game personally and more importantly how good it is and its ability to compliment (or not compliment if it sucks) the pass game. If you asked the coaches I bet the pass game isnt on the top of their list. With the loss of TJ and Ceds past showing of injury/fumblitis I easily put that as ? #1.
Marcus, I still dont think his overall stats from last year were abysmal. Overall he was at least a middle of the road QB which isnt abysmal. How did his rating, TD/Int ratio, etc compare to that of all QBs from last year?? I bet it isnt very bad.
August 7, 2007
#25 JB said . . .PO'd: I think Grossman was 24th in rating. Mostly on account of his low completion percentage and by extension his yards per attempt. The TD/INT wasn't really that bad. 23 vs. 20 is a decent year, the problem was he threw 16 of those INTs in five games and only 1 TD. The rest of the year was fucking amazing. The biggest concern for me is that when he throws picks he doesn't come back and throw a TD or two. He's either awful or amazing. Which is why I think he can be a hall of famer, the potential is clearly there...
August 7, 2007
#26 jdawg said . . .Read the latest story about Urlacher giving praise to Greg Olsen on chicagobears.com. I know I've been touting Olsen since February (one of the few times i've called for a pick and got it), but Urlacher's comments seriously fired me up. Olsen is going to be a stud.
August 7, 2007
#27 Pissed Off said . . .I have an idea.
Let's start a post where we debate Rex.
You know, a little fresh air.
August 7, 2007
#28 Ted said . . .Fantastic jdawg, haha!! Good idea, lets get to an issue thats not so well debated, like the QB situation.
August 7, 2007
#29 mikebdot said . . .I have been looking at the roster, and really getting excited. We have lost 3 starters: Thomas Jones, Tank, and Chris Harris (sometime starter, anyway)..
BUT.. since the SB, we have gained 7 starters: Tommie Harris, Mike Brown, Hester, Olsen, Walker, and Archuleta. That is absolutely amazing.
We have 4 others back from injury or whatever: Bradley, Williams, McGowan, and Mike Hass.
PLUS.. we have 5 other draftees who should make the team: Bazuin (maybe), Wolfe, Okwo, Payne, and McBride.
All this improvement over a SUPER BOWL team.
Go BEARS!!!
If all this doesn't make you happy... read it again. We are loaded.
August 7, 2007
#30 Pissed off said . . .Ted: You forgot Dusty.
I think we can all agree, we are loaded. Is everyone not fucking stoked for some actual football being played in 4 days (with the exception of Midway)?
August 7, 2007
#31 Phil from SATX said . . .I have a dilemma, Ok its not really a dilemma cuz I know the obvious choice. On Sunday, Sept. 9th I have a softball tournament out of town. I didnt think about it when I signed up with the team but thats opening day. I love softball but can I really miss the opening day of football with my beloved Bears in SD? I dont think so....my friends are not as die hard as I am and they will definitely be playing softball. It doesnt bother them to miss one or two games throughout the season of their favorite team. I cant miss a snap, in fact I sometimes get pissed because I cant see the preseason games live.
I remember one time last year I was at my favorite establishment when about 5 mins to noon their DirecTV signal takes a shit and the game isnt on, (it was the 49er game). Luckily about two blocks away was a Buffalo Wild Wings where I went and watched. I remember being so pissed I didnt even leave a tip at the place I was at before as I stormed out. Now I'm being asked to miss the opener for a softball tourney. I could maybe consider it at some point in the middle of the season vs an inferior opponent (Lions) but opening day vs the Bolts. I dont think I can do it.
August 7, 2007
#32 Ted said . . .This post is a little stale as I was called into a meeting and see now that everyone has commented... even so...
About 17 posts ago I talked about an overrated Drew Brees and whether there is weakness at depth behind Ced B. No one bit, apparently because Rex: Jesus or Satan? is the only thing to talk about.
So in the spirit of All Rex All the Time, the concept of Rex implementing running as part of his revamped game plan (discussed today in an article by David Haugh), such a simple thing, could be EXACTLY the change he needs to eliminate those horrific outings of yore.
We don't know exactly why Rex of last year was petrified of running but we all guessed it was fear of injury, and understandably so given his history.
Whatever the reason, his fear of moving forward past the line of scrimmage resulted in many of the turnovers last year - either because he stood there and was sacked, or because his movements in the pocket were not effective given the apparent force field in front of him that limited the directions he could move in. He was not purposeful in his movements but more like fleeing erratically in terror. And when the arm moved forward during those purposeless movements, interceptions frequently resulted.
Rex may not be the fastest QB in the league, but I am guessing he's far from the slowest. A willingness to run will result in many fewer wasted downs (when he chucks it into the stands, which he must have done more than any other QB last year) and certainly fewer interceptions. As simple as it sounds, willingness to tuck and run may be the difference for him to create a Pro Bowl year, a long term extension that ensures his wealth and best of all, a SUPER BOWL WIN!!!
and great post Ted, thanks for reminding us of the defacto additions to the squad because of returners from injury that weren't on the SB squad - if we can keep this group together throughout the season I'm thinking there's no way we can lose, to the Patriots, the Colts, the Chargers or anyone else.
GO BEARS!
August 7, 2007
#33 Midway Monster said . . .Sheesh.. I forgot Dusty... and he could be a regular part of the rotation. Forgot to mention Benson, too, and I believe he will have a Pro Bowl year.
August 7, 2007
#34 Max said . . .Pissed off : Yah, that's an easy choice, just refer to Law #502 in your Man Law Handbook: When deciding between a softball game and da Bears game- choose da Bears every time, especially when a bar is involved. Remember this simple tip: "Beer good. Football good. Softball not".
--Midway--
August 7, 2007
#35 Phil from SATX said . . .ok, I had a bad dream last night. It involved Olin getting hurt. . . and our whole season goin down the tubes. I know it was a dream, but it still scared me
August 7, 2007
#36 mikebdot said . . .Max, too much Natty Lite! Lay off man - else you'll have to join Midway (who may be able to get you a discount)
There's an interesting topic hidden in that dream though... Season ending injury to which Bear derails the season? In order, maybe?
Here's my list...
1) Rex Grossman
2) Brian Urlacher
3) Tommie HarrisThat's it, I think. I'm not sure Olin going down derails the season and prevents a Super Bowl. I could be wrong. Is there seriously anyone else who alone could be the difference? I don't think so, but what do you have?
August 7, 2007
#37 Phil from SATX said . . .Phil: Patrick Mannelly getting injured would be devastating...
August 7, 2007
#38 mikebdot said . . .Mike, I forgot about the kicking game, you remind me that I'd have to include
4) Robbie Gould
5) Brad MaynardTwo of the best in the league at their positions and what would happen if either went down? (however unlikely since we don't usually lose kickers to injury)
August 7, 2007
#39 mikebdot said . . .Phil: If Gould went down we would go for it more on 4th down just inside the 40, if Maynard went down our defense would just step the hell up.
It's almost a certainty someone will be lost for the season. I think as long as it isn't any of the would be pro-bowlers (Harris, Brown, Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman, Vasher, Grossman, Benson, Hester, Berrian, Olsen, Maynard [after lifting weights like mad], Gould) we'll be fine....
Shit, that's a long list...
August 7, 2007
#40 Pissed off said . . .I suppose I should have had Kreutz and Brown in there...
August 7, 2007
#41 Phil from SATX said . . .My vote for "injured for the year" is Mike Brown. At some point the guy will be on crutches I'm sure. That reminds me that when I was at the Bears game 2 or 3 years ago at the Metrodome, limping around outside was a guy with a full leg cast and get this....a Mike Brown jersery. I dont know if he bought that jersey just cuz MB was on crutches and in a cast too that season but it was funny as hell.
August 7, 2007
#42 Max said . . .PO'd not to nitpick but the question posed is not who is most likely to be lost for the season but who, if anyone, could singlehandedly derail the season and championship hopes of the Bears by going down. Mike's probably right about the kickers potentially being replaceable so I'm back to
1) Grossman
2) Urlacher
3) Harrisand those are it. We could lose a cornerback, an offensive lineman, a safety, a wide receiver - we have enough depth to cover. But loss of any of those 3 above would be devastating to this year's Super Bowl quest.
August 7, 2007
#43 Pissed Off said . . .I say any major injury to our O-Line is the worst. Urlacher going down would be terrible and we have seen how much better the oppositions run game is when Tommie is out, but any of those guys up there, especially if it is season ending, it would be so hard to replace them. Olin goes down and then Garza moves to center and Metcalf comes in? It just makes me worried cause there is the protection for Grossman and the holes for Ced.
August 7, 2007
#44 mikebdot said . . .I would agree Phil, with your top 2, not sure I'd put Harris 3rd, I havent really thought about it but we got to the SB without him last year plus we are deeper than ever at DT now. Definitely Rex #1 and Urlacher #2 though I could make a definite arguement for Ced #2. I dont like our chances of doing anything with the run game with AP and Wolfe as our tandem. Yeah Ced is unproven and I have my doubts about him but he's the closest thing we got to a star RB and Bears football thrives on a good RB.
August 7, 2007
#45 Max said . . .I think if we lost Cedric Benson we would go find another back to fill the void. Unless it was only for a few games...then we'd make do. I imagine we'll have someone from our practice squad eager to step up and make a name for themselves...
I think Hester might be on the list of most valuable players since he dangerous at both special teams and on offense, especially if there is some chemistry developed early in the season...
Bottom line though, if we stay relatively healthy there is no team in the league we can't beat 2 out of 3 times. Hopefully we get lucky...
August 7, 2007
#46 big rob said . . .Breaking News: Bears trade Dante Wesley to the Patriots for an undisclosed draft pick. I guess this is good? Opens up space for some of the younger guys i guess like Trumaine McBride and Kevin Payne
August 7, 2007
#47 Pissed off said . . .I know injuries happen but lets stop talking about them and hope every other team gets crushed by them..... I just hate even thinking about it with all the potential we have this season....
August 7, 2007
#48 big rob said . . .First Harris, now Wesley. I am OK with this one since the Bears never used Wesley except for special teams anyway and as I understand he was upset that he didnt get in on the defense. I thought he was a good CB and that he would get multiple trys at playing the position last year, but he didnt so I'm OK with this one. Harris was a bit more important.
What I'm questioning now is why they are gettting rid of all these guys for draft picks, this is the Win Now League and we need to win this year, not years from now when the draft pics can help us. Unless we are actually soooooo deep that we need to get rid of these guys which I find hard to beleive. Or maybe they're thinking that after we win the super bowl this year that that those draft picks will help us win the next 3 or 4 too.
August 7, 2007
#49 JB said . . .Hey the way JA and the powers that be have been using these picks lately I say the more the merrier.... they can always trade them away later for other needs as well... and yes it is the win now league but seems like the secondary was pretty stacked so instead of putting them on waivers and getting nothing they get the potential for another Mark Anderson in the 5th rd or even a Marques colston in the 8th....
August 7, 2007
#50 mikebdot said . . .7th...there is no 8th round.
I think both moves make a lot of sense with the rookies we drafted. These are honestly pretty minor moves, and although I understand the Win Now League...I want to contend for years and not blow my wad on one shot.
August 8, 2007
#51 Marcus said . . .PO'd: Dude, are you seriously lamenting our back ups for the back ups? My god, we signed Tillman and Vasher for the foreseeable future and Ricky Manning Jr. is still playing. Manning can play CB as well. You go on and on about how Orton sucks ass and you lament the loss of those who have been a far less integral part of our past few seasons. I don't get you man.
August 8, 2007
#52 Marcus said . . .Re: injury stuff: I don't know if I think any single injury on offense would be capable of derailing the season. The defense is so stacked and I really think they could keep the team winning for the several games it would take for the offense to learn how to function w/o said injured person. Grossman would probably be the most devastating injury, but I actually do think an improved Orton could pull off a competent offense with all the receivers we've got.
I think a Harris or Urlacher injury would be the worst thing that could happen to the defense, but if Urlacher gets injured, Briggs or Hillenmeyer could slide into the middle and it sounds like Williams should be ready this year to take an outside spot if necessary. Nobody on the team could even hope to make up for Harris going down again, but we're definitely in a better situation to handle it than last year. Dvoracek and Walker are way better than Tank & Ian Scott/Alfonso Boone.
I really think a Hester injury could end up having the most impact on the season. There were two games last year (Arizona, MN#2) that we wouldn't have one without Hester. He was a pretty big deal in the Giants game, too.
Knock on wood.
August 8, 2007
#53 Phil from SATX said . . .PO'd: I think that with both Harris and Wesley, it was that the coaches realized with all the depth in the secondary some cuts were going to have to be made. Both Harris and Wesley were too good to just let go, so instead of waiting until rosters had to be trimmed, they made the decision to at least get something for them. It's painful when any Bear leaves to become a Patriot, though...
August 8, 2007
#54 Pissed off said . . .Even though I started this thing (actually Max did with his nasty Olin dream) I do agree with Big Rob about dwelling on injuries - it was really more of an exercise in who is the most important. Couple of issues with Marcus' analysis, though -
1) does anyone really think that despite offseason improvement, Orton could actually lead us to a Super Bowl win? A dominating defense will not be enough against the top teams in the AFC.
2) pretty dismissive comment on Urlacher - he's out, Briggs slides over and Williams fills in? Urlacher is simply the most dominating defenseman in football and he runs the defense. No sign yet that Briggs would be capable of doing what Urlacher can do. This defense would be SIGNIFICANTLY worse without Urlacher in there.
3) I appreciate the optimisim on Dusty, have high hopes myself, but is that based on anything we've seen yet? Or just an assumption based on where he was picked?
Agree with all those who say trading of Wesley minor minor minor. Totally trust the BT right now, drinking the Koolaid, JA can DO NO WRONG! (at least for now)
August 8, 2007
#55 mikebdot said . . .I would be fine with blowing my wad on one season, its not like the probability of us winning multiple super bowls in a row is great.
Now let me preface by saying I realize that we are deep but Mike I dont think I understand your comment, dont be an ass dude, I lament the loss of these guys because they are actually on the field and make plays occassionally, Wesley (special teams, not as important as Harris) and Harris who started most of the year for us, yeah S T A R T E D. Meaning he was a pretty big piece, 1/11 of the D. Those guys play, they matter, Orton doesnt see the field, I rip him because people all of a sudden think he's the fucking franchise QB we've been looking for when he doesnt even see the field. Does that make sense now?
To Phil/Marcus I dont think Orton can lead us to a super bowl and thats why Rex is the #1 injury factor guy thing that could kill a season. Yeah I get it the D is good no matter whos under cente but Orton, C'mon. Agree that Urlacher is super important, with his loss we'd be in deep S*%#. I dont care who else plays linebacker. Yeah I'm not sure why everyones so high on Dusty, he hasnt even played yet, lets let this play out a bit. Phil what do you thnk about Ced being the #2 key loss after Grossman? I think Urlacher could be #3 then.
August 8, 2007
#56 Phil from SATX said . . .PO'd: Any of the people on our roster CAN play, it's a matter of accomplishments. If you don't like Archuleta, just say so, but I think having him in there, especially in the event of a Mike Brown injury is an improvement over Harris/Manning. I'd much rather see Archuleta/Manning. Also, you've not seen Payne play, so perhaps he's a stud. Then there is also McGowan in the mix as well.
As for Wesley, sure, he's ok and all, but we have plenty of corners now and they seem to like McBride/Fassitt/Graham/Mixon as possible backups to Tillman/Vasher/Manning Jr.
I just don't see the problem. It's one thing to lament the fact that they were a part of the team and you wish them well and all that, but when you say you're ok with getting rid of them but then lament that we actually get draft picks for them rather than just waiving them, I just don't get your beef. The picks are money in the bank. I'd much rather have a super bowl contender every year (20% chance of winning it all) than putting together a kick ass veteran team with a slightly better chance of winning (say 30%) and then completely sucking and being in a rebuild mode. We need to get out of the thinking that a cycle like this is acceptable. That's why I love JA. I want to make a habit out of winning the division...
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to figure why you would care that we are getting picks for people who are no better than 4th at their position.
I actually think our chances of having multiple championships is quite high right now. When (yes, when) we sign Tommie Harris, we're going to have Harris, Urlacher, Brown (pending the injury bug), Tillman, Vasher, Walker all for 2008, only Brown's contract would be up at that point and we can decide what to do with him, but we'll have all kinds of people on the defense for the next few years at least. On offense we have all kinds of talent. If Grossman becomes what you think he'll become (even just plain competent during those "awful" games) we really have a shot the next three season. If the chance of us winning is about 20% we've got almost a 50% of winning one (1-4/5*4/5*4/5 = 48.8%) in the next three years with a small chance we win 2 of 3. If 20% is too generous, then whatever, I'm just saying, I like having an actual chance rather than a snowball's chance in hell...
August 8, 2007
#57 JB said . . .PO'd I think it's a valid point, but I still wouldn't put him that high. Not because I think we'd be safe with AP and Wolfe, no way on that, but because I think there are enough serviceable backs that could be found if Ced goes down - either the guys who are unsigned or more likely a mid-season trade from the stockpiled picks or stripping from our now vaunted depth. I am always amazed at the new names that spring up every year as effective running backs - the Colts guy (Addai), the Patriots guy (Maroney?) I can't even keep their names straight and it seems like they're never first round picks.
That's why even though as a Texas alum I was thrilled beyond belief when they took Ced with the 4th pick, I still think high picks for running backs are foolish, because there are backs all over the place that can be successful with the right O-line.
Now, is there another Brian Urlacher we can pick up off the waiver wire? There's not another Brian Urlacher on Planet Earth, so to me it's no comparison. And not to mash further on Marcus, I appreciate his posts, but reading again I see he is even willing to move Hunter Hillenmeyer to take over for Urlacher? Hunter? As a tutor for my children, absolutely. As the Bears middle linebacker? uh, no.
But point taken on Ced in the fact that we really do seem to be light (literally, in the case of Wolfe) on running back depth. On the other hand, who here wouldn't like to see what would happen with AP if he was actually given a steady workload? Who knows how good he could be? He's done nothing but impress in the little work he's given. Still, if I had to guess, my guess would be that his success is due to the limited carries he gets. As an every down-er, I'm afraid the defenses would get to know him and he would lose his effectiveness.
Still need a backup (veteran) for Ced.
August 8, 2007
#58 Pissed off said . . .#1 Urlacher
#2 GrossmanThat's the list...after that, I think we could deal with depth...such as we were good enough to get there last year with Brown and Harris on the shelf. But again, let's not think of that at all (and please, stop with the Mike Brown injury comments).
PO'd....I absolutely disagree with you. I am not sacrificing the future for one shot. We are building something big here and I think we will be contenders for the next 5 years (my thoughts on Urlachers dominant years remaining). But if Jerry and company can build for the long term, I am all for that. I don't want to be the Bucs or Raiders, get to one SB then fade for years and be picking at the top of the draft...I like picking in the 30's in the first round annually instead of taking an overrated LSU QB thinking about lost opportunities.
August 8, 2007
#59 Phil from SATX said . . .Never said I didnt like Archuletta but when the first of them goes down, and at some point one of them will (not saying how long, sorry JB) Harris was our best 3rd guy. Havent seem Payne (if he even makes the team) but I did like McGowan from what I saw of him in limited action a couple years ago, that guy can hit. Anyway, enough you guys with the Wesley Harris shit already I'm OK with the losses just upset that we got so little, It would have been nice to get something to help us this year not down the road, thats my main gripe. And mike now your just throwing out names, most of them wont make the team. I'm happy for you that you looked up some names of some slappys in camp that wont be on the team come opening day.
Where did you get your percentages? Are you just making it up as you go? Not sure what your driving at there but each team has about a 3% chance of winning a super bowl....32 teams. By the way its your opinion that they are no better than 4th at their position. Wesley mabye but Harris I put 3.
Phil regarding the Ced/AP thing I agree backs can be found. But I have to think that the reason AP doesnt get a steady workload is cuz Lovie thinks he's not as good as the guy in front of him. He isnt given the load cuz there are other that are better. If he was great in practice and whatever he'd get more carries but Im sure Lovie was using TJ or Ced in front of him cuz they were better. Thats why when the starter (Ced this year) goes down I get worried and thats why I suggested he be #2.
JB I would prefer to put all my eggs in one basket and win a super bowl then fade for a few years than be in the Playoffs every year and never get a ring. Thats me, I want the victory. I know we cant predict the future but if a genie told me I could see them win a Super Bowl and then they fade for 5 years, or have them get to the NFC champ game/Super Bowl and lose 5 years in a row I'll take the SB.
August 8, 2007
#60 JB said . . .The good news is I think we're built for success now and for success later - that's why the kudos continues to flow to JA. I think the only near term window closing is on the O-Line - that's where our age shows. And who will be the next stud safety - Brown's 31 and Archuleta will be 30 in November. Still those guys could have multiple years ahead of them.
What do you think about O-line being the focus of the early rounds next year? On the other hand, JA believes in veterans at O-line so it could be free agency.
August 8, 2007
#61 Phil from SATX said . . .Remember Beekman was a nice pick for us, and could be ready to replace Rube if he retires at the end of this year. I do think that all signs point to a T at pick 32 for the 2008 draft.
And PO'd, I want multiple SB's.
August 8, 2007
#62 Pissed off said . . .Going over our roster I just remembered that we have both Ayanbedejo's on the roster now - that's pretty cool isn't it! Do we figure to actually be using the new one at fullback or is he a Special Teams stud like his brother?
JB, like the T at 32nd pick in 2008. Has a real good "ring" to it.
August 8, 2007
#63 Al in WI said . . .Who doesnt want multiple super bowls, but thats not the dilemma I was referring to in #58 if thats what your talking about.
I think the other Obafemi (sp) should actually start at FB. I havent looked at probable starting spots yet but I think he's an upgrade from McKie or Johnson.
August 8, 2007
#64 Phil from SATX said . . .I agree with Po'd on the Harris trade. I think it's nice to have depth and if there are some injuries back there I would feel better with Harris coming in than a rookie. Especially considering that McGown is injury prone himself and he is Harris's replacement.
I also don't like that we helped out Carolina because I feel we'll see them on the road to the Super Bowl.August 8, 2007
#65 mikebdot said . . .The following is from an "NFL Scout" as written by Dan Pompei. The scout was sizing up the NFL North.
"I would rank the Lions first. I think they have the individual talent to make a run. If Jon Kitna plays smart and makes good decisions, and if Calvin Johnson is as good as advertised, they can have a good offense. A lot will fall on how well Kevin Jones comes back or if T.J. Duckett or Tatum Bell steps up at tailback. On defense, they are as good as anybody up front. The back end is solid but not great.
"The Bears traded away the guy who was as responsible as anyone for getting them to the Super Bowl, Thomas Jones, and are going with an unproven running back. The question will be can Rex Grossman lead them, or will they give Brian Griese a shot? Their offensive line is average, but they play together. Defensively, if Tommie Harris can make it all the way back, they're still pretty good.
Does that guy really have a job in the NFL? Would anyone in their right mind put any team but the Bears on top of the division?
May be the dumbest thing I've ever read, and it didn't even come from Jay Mariotti!
August 8, 2007
#66 Max said . . .PO'd: The four CB's I mentioned are fighting for two spots, one of which Wesley would have taken had he still been around. They want to develop talent for the future.
At safety, from what I read prior to the trade, it sounded like Manning was considered the number 3 safety, not Harris.
I'm just saying, it seems you're making mountains out of molehills, but I think we're all just excited and anxious to get the season underway.
Where else would you have added depth? Would you have traded Wesley/Harris or kept them around? I suppose the latter. That's cool. I think JA just likes fresh faces, especially to use for special teams.
August 8, 2007
#67 lyingit said . . .Whatever Phil, let everyone keep hating on the Bears. It just adds fuel to the fire. (The guy is a moron, just for the record)
August 8, 2007
#68 Coxy said . . .I must say, jdogg's comment was laugh inducing...
I especially appreciated the "verily" portion...
August 8, 2007
#69 Max said . . .Watch Garrett Wolfe highlights against the #1 ranked college. Oh and remember, he was pretty much the only weapon on his team.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U_N4jeoGz2M
August 8, 2007
#70 Max said . . .670 the Score is reporting that Hunter Hillenmeyer was carted off the field during practice with what is being called a lower leg injury
August 8, 2007
#71 DTB said . . .Sprained ankle is what the Bears are calling it right now. They dont expect it to be serious. And that video of Wolfe is pretty ridiculous Coxy
August 8, 2007
#72 Pissed off said . . .Can't help but to be impressed by that you tube clip. If he can strech the feild, sideline to sideline like that, it's over for opposing D's. I mean that was rediculous and he did that all year long for his entire career. I'm excited to see this guy on Saturday. I hope he gets a good look.
August 9, 2007
#73 Hester 4 President said . . .Thanks for the clip coxy, man that was fun to watch. Its almost like the clip was in fast motion (as opposed to slow motion?). He is damn fast and elusive, he weighs next to nothing but he so quick, he's like Hester, its gonna be tough for guys to even get a hand on him.
August 9, 2007
#74 startOlsen said . . .I went to the Bears Family Night thing, and Wolfe is really tiny.
From what I've seen and heard though, he's a great player. Can't wait to see what he can do. Hopefully we'll get a little look on Saturday.
August 9, 2007
#75 Hester 4 President said . . .chris harris? are you serious?? Ask Reggie Wayne about Harris. No big hits and occasional good plays make up for consistantly blowing coverage.
As for the worse possible injury, how is it possible so many Bears fans take Urlacher for granted this much?? Far and away that would be the worst loss. Grossman? I hope he improves, but he may lose his job without injury if he plays like he did last year against Arizona/Miami/Indy, etc. Urlacher is the glue, the heart and soul, the best linebacker in the league. Who else do we have that any of you can say is the best at his position in the entire NFL?? Losing Urlacher would hit the hardest. Hester is a distant second.August 9, 2007
#76 StartOlsen said . . .I liked Chris Harris, like you said, he laid a lot of big hits on people.
I think he was a little over rated, and blew coverage multiple times that I can think of, but I think he'll improve.
It all came down to having to many safties. Who else could we have dropped?
August 9, 2007
#77 JB said . . .Good point- people seem to be forgetting how many players have to be trimmed off this roster. Better to get picks for guys like Harris and Wesley than cut them.
August 9, 2007
#78 big rob said . . .To Phil from SATX, are you an idiot? You mention that running backs keep popping up from nowhere. That teams that use first round picks on running backs are foolish. You use two guys to support your argument in Addai and Maroney. I have news for you!! BOTH Addai and Maroney were FIRST round picks in last years draft! Please check the facts before spewing you uneducated opinion! GO BEARS!
August 9, 2007
#79 JB said . . .simmer down there JB... We are all family here....
August 9, 2007
#80 lyingit said . . .hey hey....post #77 was obviously not me. I don't use that tone, especially with a good guy like Phil. I've never had my name ripped off before (I'll take that as a compliment, I guess). Whoever that is, don't steal other people's names (Jeff and Noah...time for a login?).
And fellow Olsen supporter...I believe I cited Urlacher as #1 in post #57, so you are not alone.
August 9, 2007
#81 Max said . . .for those of you that liked Chris Harris, I think his quote below, followed by my buddy's comment when we were discussing it sums up Mr. Harris perfectly:
"I'm trying to get more vocal now," Harris said. "Even if I make a wrong call, as long as we all play that wrong call, we'll be good."
so as my buddy at work said:That's a comforting quote for all Panthers fans to know that when their Safety gets burned for a 70 yd. TD, at least he loudly and clearly called the wrong defense
August 9, 2007
#82 Max said . . .The fake JB makes on valid point, that both Addai and Maroney were first round draft picks. Maroney came outa Minnesota and Addia outa LSU.
In other news Obafemi Ayanbadejo has been suspended 4 games for violating the leagues steroid policy. But he is still allowed to participate in preseason and training camp.
August 9, 2007
#83 Hester 4 President said . . .The fake JB makes on valid point, that both Addai and Maroney were first round draft picks. Maroney came outa Minnesota and Addia outa LSU.
In other news Obafemi Ayanbadejo has been suspended 4 games for violating the leagues steroid policy. But he is still allowed to participate in preseason and training camp.
August 9, 2007
#84 Phil from SATX (tm) said . . .I'm not really supporting Harris, I simply think he did in fact make some bigs hits.
But, as mentioned a couple of times, he got burned way to much. And two of those came in big games.
August 10, 2007
#85 Pissed off said . . .Wow, leave for an afternoon and look what happens - subject of a drive-by. Thanks for the support, real JB, back at ya. However, I guess the faux JB had a point, I should have done a little more homework before spouting.
After doing some homework, I note that of the top ten concensus backs (at least from the fantasy circles), 6 were first rounders, 4 were 3rd round or lower (no second rounders). However, the only top 10 pick in the list is LT. So was I right or wrong? I guess I'm mostly wrong, but I'll still say, when you use a top 5 pick for a running back, if it isn't a rare talent like LT or Reggie Bush, you'll probably end up regretting taking your back that high.
I certainly hope I'm wrong about that for Ced, I think he can be great. I do have to say that the faux JB could have been a real JB, just a different one who was unaware of the real JB. You know how actors have to have distinctive, non-used names when they get their SAG cards? Need something like that around here. (see post name above)
August 10, 2007
#86 Pissed off said . . .Wow I guess this is a Harris thread now, I guess I'm partially to blame for that but but startOlsen is crazy if you dont think Rex is the biggest factor in this years success. Yeah urlacher is a field general but the QB, and a good one especially with the potential and skill Rex has, is the biggest variable, no question, with any team including ours.
I'm going to pull the fair weather card again on startOlsen. Never seen you post before, and Im not discounting your credability or opinions but the fact that you dont think Rex is the biggest factor kinda makes me think that way. Its pretty obvious. Also dont steal my identity if that was you who stole JBs, lets have a debate and not act like 2 year olds. (if it wasnt you just ignore that)
August 10, 2007
#87 JB said . . .I forgot that I was going to talk about Obafemi. I cant beleive he got busted with that crap. I dont know all the details so I'll give him the benefit for now, maybe it was just some banned supplement, nothing major. At any rate that sucks that he will be sitting the first 4. We'll probably forget about him by week 5 when he comes back and then he wont be a factor anymore anyway and he'll end up getting cut. Who knows, I was actually pretty excited about getting this guy cuz I think he's the best FB we have. The guy can block and he can pound it for a couple yards if you need it.
August 10, 2007
#88 Phil from SATX said . . .Phil...how could the faux JB not be aware of me? This was a case of identity theft...I canceled all my credit cards last night just to be safe.
August 10, 2007
#89 Pissed off said . . .Probably a Russian or Nigerian scammer - if he wants to buy your post but pay you extra so you can send him the difference back - DON'T DO IT!!!
and speaking of trademarks, PO'd, I know the classic Fair Weather Fan slam is yours and yours alone, I've been the lucky recipient myself before (oh it seems like eons ago), but I don't think it's necessary on StartOlsen (hardly a stretch as a moniker, btw) - I think he's just pointing out the singular importance of #54.
StartOlsen, would you agree with Rex at #2 on that list? I pretty much think they're equal - Rex key to offense, Brian key to defense. And not to try to coax you into something you don't believe, but as PO'd's agent I think I can get him to back off on the whole FWF thing if you'd go with it.
Whattaya say?
August 10, 2007
#90 JB said . . .I just need to say that this is the first time I can actually feel football starting. Yeah we've been talking about it all off-season but today, right now, I can feel it for the first time. I dont know if anyone else gets the feeling but I lay my heart and soul on the line for these Bears. Remember how the super bowl ended (ick)? How bad that hurt. Well opening day, and that first win is going to cure it all. It will make us forget all our woes and that bad taste in our mouths will be gone.
I dont know how you all feel about Bears football but when I'm watching every game, as the players run out on the field, and the hours in the morning leading up to noon (or whenever the game is) I am actully nervous. I am giddy, yet I have butterflies as If I myself am getting ready for a big game. Theres no relaxing or just chilling watching a Bears game, its all nerves going crazy, rocking frantically in my chair and yelling loudly at the TV. I dont know why I put myself thru it. I guarantee its bad for my health and I'll probably die watching the Bears. Its nerve racking, high tension and emotional. Would I have it any other way? HELL NO!
August 10, 2007
#91 mikebdot said . . .You nailed it PO'd. I find myself pacing before a game, and I can never sit in the same position for very long. I yell at the TV and cheer / jump around / give high fives to strangers, etc... I also have a loss of words as I say things like "go, go, go" or "yessir, yessir, YESSIR!!!". I throw things after a turnover and fistpump after a takeaway. I sulk in a loss and radiate a unique kindness I don't otherwise show after a W. And of course it seems everyone's middle name is "Fucking"...Hell Yeah, Devin Fucking Hester is the man!!! or, Seriously, Matt Fucking Leinert is tearing us up? I don't know if it's bad for our health though, I believe its closer to what the Greeks called a catharsis, which is important to experience...and I figure 19 times again this year will be just about right.
August 10, 2007
#92 Phil from SATX said . . .I threw a water bottle at the wall that exploded over pretty much everything in the basement. It's really amazing how much breaking shit really helps...
Speaking of which, they have gun ranges to shoot random objects, they really ought to have places where you can break random pieces of glass or lamps with burnt out light bulbs. I'd pay a few bucks to break random items for 10 minutes or so to let out some stress. Would anyone else? I'm trying to find a racket to run...
August 10, 2007
#93 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .Excellent, PO'd, I think most of us here are right with you. Early part of most seasons I'm just excited in the morning - the nerves start right before the game. Of course that changes as the season goes on. And this season will be totally different - hell, the first game is CRITICAL - we've GOT to beat the Chargers to set the tone for the season! Total nervous energy for that game.
As the self-appointed non-Bears preseason reporter (and possibly the only one interested), I was pretty pissed about last night's game. Living down here in Cowboys country they are convinced they're going to win the SB this year. So even though it's just preseason, I wanted the Colts to make the Boys look silly, and unfortunately the opposite occurred. Upon reading the Indianapolis Star it seems like the Colts are going to have some questions on defense this year (personally thought they had those questions last year but they sure answered them in the post season) with the losses of 6 starters on defense including Booger McFarland, lost for the season.
As for the Cowboys, I do think it's a good probability that we will see them in the post season, they're loaded on offense and defense, with the only question marks being their QB on offense and secondary on defense, the only place I think they fall short is on special teams. And since they think the Bears are a joke down here with Rex as the ultimate punch line, we'd better annihilate them when we get the chance to (once in the regular season and possibly again in the post season). That will be personal nirvana for me. Beating the Cowboys and a SB win. Too much to ask? I think not.
August 10, 2007
#94 StartOlsen said . . .When the Bears win,I'm the nicest person in the room,When they lose you swear somebody just died in the room.I'm depressed until Weds,then I look at the schedule an start my blood pumpin on how we can beat the next team.PO'd I'm there with you on Sunday on how you feel.
When the Bears win the Super Bowl this year I'll stop taking a Cunningham on my friends Packer lovin' Mom doorsteps.August 11, 2007
PO, I agree the QB is the most critical position to success. We were discussing the worst possible injury, not the most important position. Subtle difference. If Grossman goes down, we have Griese, and hell, we've won with Orton even. If Urlacher goes down, there is no replacement- our D drops considerably.
Sorry I have no credibility with you yet- Ill make it my life goal to impress pompous jackasses on the Bears blog.August 13, 2007
Here at DaBearsBlog, you are free to kill us or the Bears as you so wish. You are not free, however, to be an asshole. So if you spew racism or ill-meaning foul language (cursing about football is just fine) or anything of that ilk, your comments ain't gonna last long, jerk.