Yes ladies and gents the man who I will forever refer to as Kyle "Horton" is who we thought he was....not a very good QB. I wont pin this loss soley on him. I am not going to be politically correct in this post. I am just going to say this offense sucks. I dont know exactly how to pinpoint it and I dont care to. It just plain sucks for lack of a better term. "Horton" looked exactly like he did in 2005. He didnt make a lot of mistakes but he didnt make anything happen either. He's a caretaker. With Griese we would have had a better shot to win that game and it pains me so much to say it because I cant stand the even the sight of #14 in the huddle.
I wish we could get the defense to play like "Horton" is starting all the time and just sneak a different QB under center. The defense made a lot of plays tonight and gave this pathetic offense every chance they possibly could. In the end its a team game, and the team lost, like they have nine times already with two games to go. I was very pleased to see the face of the Bears franchise and the best player on the team make several plays tonight including two sacks and an interception. #54 is tough as nails and if you think you would rather have Briggs if you could have one guy or if you think he's on the downside of his carrer you are sadly mistaken and he will prove that for years to come.
Tonight and the rest of the season is an evaluation process. Go ahead and start Kyle the rest of the year so you can see what I already have, he's worthy of a number three spot at best on an NFL roster. It always seems to take this staff just a few games too long to figure out the obvious. Its been a pleasure posting after some great games this year. I look forward to bringing you some of my opinions in the offseason and next year.
#2 Ron - not a Rex hater said . . .this will be the obituary for Orton.
Side note: Did you see the offensive line crumble like the crusty crackers they are the entire game? When you repeatedly cannot convert 4th and inches, it shows you in BOLD FRICKING LETTERS where your problems start: the o line.
December 18, 2007
#3 Anytime said . . .I cant blame Orton... No running game, pressure all day. yup he had some bad throws, but he is rusty, only had a week of reps with these guys... Anyway, the entier O blows, and Putting Wolfe in at the F'n gol and running two plays up the middle with a 5'7" 169 lb player.... Please
that Turner "we are going to put in wolfe on this series" plan., then he cant change during the game at all... Dumb ass
December 18, 2007
#4 AK said . . .This blows. At least if we win another game this season we can play the spoiler. I expect to see some dramatic changes to this team in the coming future, anything else is unacceptable. Turner is an idiot, Babitch is done, and Lovie is a to proud to understand that his system sucks. I may be asking a lot here but for Christmas I want: Fanica, Turner the burner, and a qb not named rex, brian, kyle, donoven or chad.
December 18, 2007
#5 chicago orso said . . .Ron Turner has got to go. 4 turnovers and they can't mount a decent offense to score some points? Pathetic.
Let Horton audition for other teams. We can let him go in exchange for a draft pick or two.
December 18, 2007
#6 Polygonhell said . . .i agree with everyone in regards to our offensive line but ,angelo let go alfonso boone and ian scott left us high and dry without decent quarterbacking erratic at best , poor coaching (offensive calls that is ) ugly game all around...
December 18, 2007
#7 Shady McBears Fan said . . .While I agree you can't hold Orton entirely responsible, but that was one of the worst offensive performances I've watched from the Bears all season, and that is saying something.
The offensive game plan was horrible, penalties killed us.
At least the defense turned up.
December 18, 2007
#8 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .Seriously Ron, you run Wolfe between the tackles backed up on your own goal-line?
You're fired.How constipated is this offense? Forget Kyle Orton. He's not going to do more than manage a game anytime soon. Fucking O-Line. You SUCK! What happened?
Who was that rookie DT out of Oregon? Played like a champ and blew a few runs up. Urlacher was on HGH again, and Vasher was the catalyst again.
All this team can do for the fans now is beat the packers. But I just don't see how they can, you still need to score points to win right?
December 18, 2007
#9 Shady said . . .nice to see Olin snap the ball at Kyle feet.
I'll take whatever the Bears give me,the off season long an boring,The Bears won't make any dramatic moves to give the fan base hope until next spring.
So bring on the Pack,an wipe the smile off of Butt's face!
December 18, 2007
#10 Anytime said . . .Nice to know turnovers don't mean much now that the offense can't do anything with 'em. Kinda throws Lovie's theory out the window. You can't ignore the offense forever. The old ball and chain, continually holding back the team. Why not invest and make it a strength? If you look around the NFL that's how teams are winning games: NE, IND, DAL, GB
Thanks for embarrassing the city on national T.V. for the 2nd week in a row guys.
Way to hold your team back O. You shouldn't even get paid this year.
December 18, 2007
#11 said . . .If that is how Urlacher plays on HGH I am all for it. dont get caught.........
December 18, 2007
#12 said . . .1 / 13 on 3rd downs.... Niiice.
December 18, 2007
#13 Max said . . .It took 'em about 22 mins to get a 1st down...
December 18, 2007
#14 Al in WI said . . .DAMN IT! jesus. . . Every single person on the offensive side of the ball has to take responsibility. Orton was bad. AP didnt do so hot. Our receivers didnt have many chances to make plays, BUT our O-Line does know how to move the ball. . . only problem is that they move it backwards more times than not.
D played their asses off (with the exception of about 5 of them missing one tackle on the 71 yard pass play, but touche to Peanut for not giving up) and in all to familiar fashion, were left tired at the end of the game.
Special teams i thought did a very good job. Robbie nailed 2 FG's and his kickoffs were inside the 3 yard line all night. Maynard had some bombs, good coverage. and Hester had the fumble but it didnt hurt us.
so its on the offense for sucking and the coaches for not doing something about it. Its not like they didnt have a week and a half to prepare.
this was a pathetic game to watch. i am so fucking angry right now. . . hopefully by tomorrow i will be fully focused on the Pack. . . but right now, i just hate life.
December 18, 2007
#15 NavyChief in IRAQ said . . .I have just returned home from that beer fart of a stadium and here is what I have to report:
A) The vikings and their fans are the most over the top group in the NFL. They introduced both running backs as starters to "the best tandem in football." They play the horn nonstop and the fake noise is obvious. As is the two giant speakers behind the Bears bench.
B) Orton BLOWS!!!!!!!! I spent the 2nd half watching hopefully the bears bench for signs Griese was warming up. Imagine that, I never thought I'd say that. Po'd is right on with his post. It is almost unimagineable that Orton has had two years to get his shit together and he is exactly the same as his rookie year. He has a slow wind up delivery, can't hit an open reciever to save his life, and has zero touch on deep passes at all.
He is garbage, and now forces the Bears to draft a qb early for a backup if nothing else. No improvement in any area at all!!!
C) With average play at the qb position the Bears would have won this game. With Grossman I am 100% confident we win this game. With Griese I'm even 90% sure we'd with this game.December 18, 2007
#16 Tone Capone from Jersey said . . .This begins and ends with Lovie!
1.) You got rid of the wrong coordinator, Ron Turner isn't capable of providing an explosive offensive plan. Done, see ya!
2.) Defense is Lovie's baby, so much so he fired Ron for his boy.
3.) Got rid of a good/great tandem with Thomas Jones and (I don't even want to say his name?) Benson. Did anyone see something I didn't with regards to Benson? He's a good tandem, not sole posession guy.
4.) Our receivers just plain and simply....SUCK! Yet everyone blames Rex, hummm?
5.) O-line, need we say more?
6.) No real additions (significant) to a Super Bowl team, did we think we were going to get a break this year? You have to re-load every year. Wonder why Indy and NE don't have these issues.Bottom line...Mike Singletary is still out there for a few more days, get rid of Lovie and lets' really bring back some Bears' football!
It's starts with Lovie...you gotta go!
December 18, 2007
#17 Pissed Off said . . .Your absolutely right Pissed Off.....
HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!!!......A BUM WITH A WOODSTOCK ERA HAIRCUT!!!!
Thanks to Kyle, the "O", and AP for their concerted effort in RIPPING OUR HEARTS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!......I'm sorry guys
The "D" played BEAR DEFENCE
Vasher looked very fresh (obviously) and played a heck of a game.... Urlacher was a beast!!!!!
December 18, 2007
#18 Pissed Off said . . .Its not that we fired the wrong Ron, we didnt fire enough of them.
I wonder if Peanut throwing up there late in the third quarter (or whenever it was) on the sideline was due to watching that offense for three quarters. Thats how I felt.
Just a pathetic offensive performance. We would have won with any competence at all on offense. ANY!!
December 18, 2007
#19 Phil from SATX said . . .We should consider playing some of the defensive players on the offensive side of the ball. Do you think Urlacher, Briggs, Brown, Wale etc. would look like saloon doors like the current O-line does? No, that group had some fight last night and they should have played both sides.
December 18, 2007
#20 Phil from SATX said . . .You wonder where our defense went this season, well Nathan Vasher answered you. It went bye bye when he went bye bye. Obviously, if AA hadn't been the disaster he turned out to be, it could have been better - but what a difference maker he was.
Unfortunately, as some have pointed out, when you go 1 for 13 on third downs, might you expect your defense to wear out?
This loss was solely, SOLELY, on the offense. Yes, you got it right, PO'd, Kyle Orton is who we thought he was. Is it premature to evaluate him on one game? Probably, but he looked too much like our bad memories of him. Of course it didn't help having the 5th most penalized team in the league - how about false starts on four different guys? And Kreutz wasn't doing him any favors either - that guy is NOT very good at the shotgun, not that he's had much practice with it in his career. Pro Bowl? My ass.
Fred Miller, in case you haven't noticed, IS A JOKE.
Run Turncoat is worse.
I was wondering (and hoping) if they would run Griese out there at the end of the game, to try to get the win. MY ONLY HOPE is that Lovie refused to do that because it might spoil his plans to FIRE RON'S ASS - IMMEDIATELY after the season's over. I mean as the last seconds are ticking off during the Saints game, give him a
Step into my office, Ron.
Why?
Because your fucking fired!What a joke - continuing to get no balls to Clark or Olsen, lining up Wolfe to run between tackles at the goal line, he's just an ass.
There is hope, fellow Bear fans. The defense showed what it can do when healthy - and that was with using freshly signed meat on the D line (and yeah that kid begins with an O looked all right!). And sorry for contributing to the madness on #54 - we need him in the middle - I will comment that Briggs, as good as he's been this year, has also cost us on some big plays throughout the season when he abandoned his gaps to try and make a play. Not as disciplined as #54.
It's O, it's all O, start with Turner, trade Orton for a pack of smokes, re-sign Rex, keep cheapy Griese (or not, who cares), and draft. Or Anderson. But still not McNabb, too expensive. Say goodbye to Moose, get a RB, WR in draft or FA. And a brand new stinking line.
Just get someone, ANYONE, who has a plan to take over this offense. Be a man, Lovie, find someone to run the offense who's good enough to take your job if you continue to suck like you sucked this year. Be a man.
December 18, 2007
#21 Rancid said . . .Sorry, that guy from Oregon is Toeaina (not some guy whose name begins with an O), and he looked like he could be a keeper! Wide body with energy!
December 18, 2007
#22 Bill said . . .That was bad. I wanted a fair look at Orton and I got it. Besides a slight migration of facial hair from the neck to the upper lip it was the same dude. He looked like some homeless guy we pulled off the street. The line was beyond terrible and the playcalling was what it has been all year, but I didn't see a good QB in a bad system, I saw a average game manager at best in a lousy system. I guess he can start the rest of the way, but I don't think he's good enough for the #2 and I'd rather draft another 3rd or 4th round QB for the #3 spot.
1. We have to fire RT. If we don't, I go to jail for homicide. Come on, Angelo, my kids need a father.
2. Rebuild the left side of the O line. Faneca would be great, and then draft a LT. I think that Kreutz, Garza, and then moving Tait back to the RT where he belongs will make this line functional again, if not great.
3. Get a safety. Anywhere.
4. Grab a running back in FA. I don't think we can draft a guy. Obviously Turner would be great. I also like Fargas from Oakland and I believe he is a UFA after this year. Jamal Lewis is too but you're dealing with age and a real high price tag there.
5. Re-sign Rex, ditch BG and KO, then bring in a vet to compete. I don't care who. I'm not opposed to Donovan as many are, or Chad. But they would need to know that they have to beat Rex out for the job. It would not be theirs guarenteed. That would improve the QB spot dramatically.
6. If you let BB leave, which I think you should do only if he wants a top receiver contract, then Hester must take a giant step next year to become his replacement. Otherwise we will be weak at WR.
December 18, 2007
#23 Mike said . . .I don't recall who it was on this site who kept claiming Ron Turner won't be fired. Maybe it was Mike. But even Lovie has to see what a crap coach he is. To ignorantly use Garret Wolfe near your own goal line just becuase it's in the script is beyond incompetent.
I know the o-line is bad, but RT had all season to figure something out and he failed. Babich on the other hand succeeded - with no safteies and a banged up line, they held AP down and the Vikes scored only 20 points.
We've all said this over and over - but with the field position we have we should regularly score int he mid twenties with even a mediocre offense.
Here is a new wrinkle to Hester - the Bears get the ball on about the 43 after a squib kick. They don't kick deep to Hester, and they actually are worse off than kciking out of bounds.
Anyone watch Comcast Sports after the game. Jiggetts and Miller were going nuts calling for Turner to be fired. Miller in particular called them out for not having a silent count and for not being able to use Hester better. his solution was crossing routes, which he says doesn't seem to be in the game plan.
That's coaching - not the players.
Hrads WILL roll after this season. RT, many players, and as far as I'm concerned, every single one of the offenses coaches too.
December 18, 2007
#24 Mike said . . .The Bears have a multitude of holes. But the paramount need is a complete rebuild of the offensive line. Jerry Angelo needs to spend two of the first three picks on offensive lineman. A good place to start is to draft OT Jake Long out of Michigan with the first pick.
In terms of running back I don't know what to do. But its clear that Peterson, Benson and Wolff (go NIU) are a weak and inadequate triumvirate.
December 18, 2007
#25 Pissed Off said . . .Kyle Orton showed why he has been buried on the depth chart for a couple years. He's awful. I don't care how strong his arm is or how heady of a player he allegedly is either.
December 18, 2007
#26 Mike said . . .Kick ass points from Phil and Rancid. I agree lets dump Orton, and BG (only if we can bring in a vet like Pennington though) and then draft a guy late. We need at least 2 O-line draft picks as well and lets move Tait back to right side. If we can get Faneca, sweet. Also lets get rid of Moose for sure. Then if Btwice will stay for decent money, not TOP MONEY, we should keep him otherwise let him go, I dont care. We need to get Bradley and Davis more in the mix, plus with Hester, and possibly Hass and maybe a draft pick. I'll take my chances.
This D will be good again when its healthy we just need to solidify some depth. If we can stay healthy all year with Brown, Daniel Manning/McGowan, Urlacher, Briggs, Hunter, Peanut, Vash, Tommie, Wale, Brown/Anderson, Dvoracek and some depth, we will be top 5 again!
Basically with health and a revamped O-line we will be contenders next year.
And seriously think about how pathetic it is that in the NFC we cant even compete for a playoff spot this year??
December 18, 2007
#27 Papa Bear said . . .My game plan....
Offensive Line --- Sign a veteran offensive guard. Faneca would be great but is probably a longshot. Draft an offensive tackle in the 1st round. Jake Long would be nice. Draft an guard in the 2nd or 3rd round. Dump Brown and Miller. Move Tait to right tackle.
Wide Receiver --- Sign a veteran wide receiver. Draft somebody in the middle rounds. Let Berrian walk.
Running Back --- Try to acquire Michael Turner (go NIU). Failing to do that, acquire a veteran who is looking for opportunity to resurrect his career or is coming off injury. Guys like this are out there. Doesn't have to be a fancy name.
Quarterback --- Acquire a veteran who can come in and compete ala what Brian Griese was supposed to do. Draft or sign a developmental project. Cut Griese and Orton.
Defensive Line --- Cut Walker. Find out if Bauzain is a bust as was the speculation in training camp.
Safety -- Draft a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round. Cut Brown and Archueleta.
Linebacker -- Try to re-sign Briggs. If he stays, get Urlacher and him a box of condoms and get them counseling on how to become good fathers in their children's lives.
December 18, 2007
#28 Pissed Off said . . .Crazy kids and these crazy dreams of theirs...Firing Ron Turner, though it would seem obvious to us and make us all feel better, may or may not happen (hopefully, it will). We need to accept that. Move on.
Gentlemen (and Megan), I think we're guaranteed a new O-line next year. Though it's easy to harp on the BT, I'm sure even they see how impotent our O-line is. The bigger point is, the best teams in this league are made with great O-lines and developing a QB. There's a direct correlation between time in the pocket and success of the QB. It doesn't matter who's in the QB slot if the O-line is left as it is. We've had 3 different QBs in there this year, all with varying levels of talent, all with essentially the same result...
We can continue our QB rotation, as we've done for the past 20+ years, or we can commit ourselves to Rex. The best teams pass/run an average of 60/40% of the time, some more. We need to evolve with the rest of the league and develop a QB. We just need to surround him with a better O-line.
As for RBs, I'll settle for average (4 yards per carry). It doesn't matter who's in there, even Cedric will do, so long as we have an O-line that'll push the opposing defense for 4 yards. Even CB can tip-toe his way to 4 yards with a better O-line. Bottom line, don't commit big $ to an RB, they're a dime a dozen.
2 wins against the yeast-heads will make us all look forward to next year with more optimism.
December 18, 2007
#29 Mike said . . .No matter what happens I cant wait for the offseason to see the moves that are made. I am not excited about the next two games. GB is already in the playoffs so its not like a spoiler game and yeah yeah I gotta get fired up for a division game, I dont give a shit anymore who we play. Just cuz its the pack doesnt mean shit to me. This team sucks and wooptie doo we get a chance to sweep the pack, who cares. We may get to play spoiler for New Orleans but again, who cares, it probably will be a meaningless game since their post season hopes will probably be dead after this weekend.
December 18, 2007
#30 Phil from SATX said . . .I don't expect Lovie Smith and the Bears to throw either Ron Turner or Bob Babich under the bus. Therefore it is pointless to keep bitching and moaning about the pair. If it were up to me I'd get rid of Turner. But it isn't up to you and me.
December 18, 2007
#31 Bear Fan In Minnesota said . . .Unfortunately I mostly agree with you PO'd, we're playing out the string now, at least I'm done with my last $50 payment to DirecTV so I don't have to absorb the additional insult of having to pay to watch this team for the rest of this year (I know that doesn't make sense but it does to me).
Regards to GB, yeah I want to win, what I expect to happen is the defense will come to play and show that GB's somewhat overrated on offense, all the while the Bears O makes any attempts to win the game futile. In other words, take the under, whatever it is.
And at this point, there's nothing more I'm looking for - Orton's not going to show me anything different in the next two games, and we can't effectively evaluate any other offensive players because they play under that Rat Bastard RT.
On D, I've already seen enough to realize that the healing off-season plus one safety in the draft and one very important FA signing of #55 will be enough to rejuvenate the D, which will make us feel much better next year.
The best near term day for us? The day RT gets fired. The rejoicing will last for many days. Then comes free agency, then the draft. It will be good times again, we have a lot to look forward to.
Then next year we will surprise a lot of teams and media who thought we were a one hit wonder.
And if we don't....
Bring on Bill Cowher!
December 18, 2007
#32 jeff said . . .Even though the Bears lost that one I have to admit it was fun watching the defense again. I knew that Kyle Orton was not the answer. I also knew that AP (the other) and Wolfe would not be the answer. But how refreshing was it to see Brian Urlacher back to his old self. How awesome was it to watch the Vikings AP get shut down. It was great to see the defense playing with passion and pride again. Overall it was an enjoyable game to watch because if the Bears would have had any kind of offense it would have been a BLOW OUT! Hopefully...for the love of every thing sacred in Chicago, Ron Turner will be gone next year.
December 18, 2007
#33 Heywood Jublomey said . . .hey pissed off, you can stay up on the site all day today. last night was sorta the last straw for me. kyle orton flatout sucks. he just stinks. just sad to see them waste an absolutely brilliant brian urlacher performance. god he was everywhere.
December 18, 2007
#34 Phil from SATX said . . .would the members of this board rather lose with urlacher than win without him?
December 18, 2007
#35 Pet Peeve said . . .Heywood, what in tarnation are you talking about?
December 18, 2007
#36 Midway Monster said . . .Hey, at least he spelled lose correctly.
December 18, 2007
#37 Philo said . . .**********************
Okay, I have to flush my brain and put on new thoughts to keep me from shooting myself...
IT'S PACKER WEEK!
-- Midway --
December 18, 2007
#38 Rancid said . . .Orton: Not to good but at least he scrambled around and didn't do a button hook out the back of the paocket and get nailed by a DE unlike Rex.
U of I is going to the Rose Bowl and the Bears are going home. Did I mention Ron Turner is no longer at U of I but at the Bears? Up the middle -up the middle dropped pass punt, the only thing missing was Dooley, Armstrong or Gibron as Head Coach.
Defense ok, Offense, time for retirement of many.
I guess we will wait another GENERATION until we have another Championship.
December 18, 2007
#39 Pissed Off said . . .Midway - much as I would miss you around here, Should you consider suicide, I would recommend a murder-suicide instead. Now who should you kill on the way out . . .hmmmmmm
December 18, 2007
#40 Bill said . . .It rhymes with "Turder" or "worthless pile of urner"
December 18, 2007
#41 Phil from SATX said . . .Mike - I agree with each point in your post #26. except I would keep Brown. It's frustrating that he gets hurt every year, but if we let him go he'll sign and play well somewhere else (until he gets hurt). I'd rather that happen for us.
Regarding RB - the (awful) commentators last night speculated on Chester Taylor being available. I'd prefer The Burner but if we lose out, that's an alternative. As you said, we just need someone who can play decently.
December 18, 2007
#42 Willie from Chicago said . . .Taylor sounds good - his cap value for 2007 is the same as Ced's. Who would you rather have? He's a 4.4 ypc career. On the other hand, I agree with Papa Bear, I think RB's are a dime a dozen, it all depends on the O line. Don't waste money on someone if you're not committed to spending every last dollar to buying yourself a top flight offensive line. This line, which has been in decline for several years now, likely cost us the Super Bowl in their inability to blast holes and protect the QB.
No more trying to win without a great O-line. Back to basics, boys. I hope Angelo is as committed to the same concept. There's no point in wishing for a Jake Long, but go ahead and take the next guy. And see if you can get the pricey free agent! Don't worry about QB - it may take through next year, and Rex will continue his improvement with an improved line, improved skill players and real, professional, non-moronic play calling.
Without knowing about cap considerations (which can make everything I'm about to say moot), there's lots of money out there to save
Fred Miller - $3.5MM salary, $4.7MM cap
Ruben Brown - $2.2MM salary, $2.2MM cap
Moose - $1.9MM salary, $4.2MM cap
Adam Ant - $5.1MM salary, $5.1MM cap
Ced Benson - $624M salary, $3.1MM cap
Brian G - $1.6MM salary, $2.5MM cap
Ricky Manning - $2.2MM salary, $3.3MM cap
Darwin Walker - $1.9MM salary, $1.8MM capand just to throw in the mix
John Tait - $4.5MM salary, $5MM cap
Olin Kreutz - $3.5MM salary, $5.7MM cap
I guess you can't give up these guys but my God do they make a lot of money for absolutely horrible performance this yearMike Brown - $2.5MM salary, $3.1MM cap
(still want Browny back but it may not be feasible or prudent)Lots there to play with, as long as cap/contracts allow and management is willing to make wholesale changes.
December 18, 2007
#43 Ram in san anton said . . .I honestly thought we could have won this game. Just like the Giants game if we would have made 2 more first downs when we needed them we would have won.
This has been the most dissapointed that Ive ever been during a Bears season. We were 13-3 last year and in the superbowl and now this. our Defense played like last year yesterday but our offense took a crap all over itself and lost the game.
These are my suggestions for this off-season:
1. Draft a solid O lineman in the draft or trade the pick for a veteran lineman.
2. Re sign Rexy, he was on a role and with an improved line he can become a great QB.
3. Re sign Briggs, Berrian, Mike Brown (try to bring him back first), and bring in a good Running Back in the draft.
4. Ive heard that Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) might be a FA this year. If this is true then bring him in. He is and explosive WR, and with him and Berrian at the WR spot with Moose, Bradley and Hester backing them up, it will give Rex 5 Weapons to choose from. That will also open up the running game for Benson and whoever else is in the backfield next year.
5. Bring in a solid CB and get rid of Ricky Manning Jr. Hes not worth that much money as a nickel CB. Also, we need to try to get a great D linemen if the starters get hurt.
As wered as it sounds, this was one of the most exciting seasons of Bear football that Ive ever been around to see. From the Eagles game to the Broncos game they were all close. I just hope we can get alot of momentum for next season and win these next two games.
BEAR DOWN for life!
December 18, 2007
#44 Phil from SATX said . . .I could not watch that shit the Bears called football! I thought my fucking head was going to explode! After the double penatly in the third qt, I could not take it any more, and turned off the set. One of these days we will be back on top, but we are going to need to fire some people and spend some freaking money!!!
December 18, 2007
#45 Pissed Off said . . .Dang, Ram, hate that you brought up that double penalty call, because it made me remember how horrible the officiating was. And we have no business being as bad as we are and complaining about the officiating, but criminy!
The worst BS call on tackling out of bounds cost us 3 points at the end of the half and momentum. I thought blood was going to come out my very pores I was so pissed at that deal.
A horrible personal foul on Briggs (was it him?)Thought he tackled the quarterback too hard?
And then the worst grounding call ever. True they had the hold call at the same time but it guaranteed a punt. Even the horrible MNF crew was groaning at the ineptness of the officials.
As close as this game was, those calls really hurt.
December 18, 2007
#46 Pissed Off said . . .Hey Phil, what does "M" mean or "MM" mean when you put it after numbers...."money and more money?"
December 18, 2007
#47 mikebdot said . . .Google adam archuleta. His wife is hot. How does that work?
December 18, 2007
#48 Phil from SATX said . . .Phil: The call on Briggs was for a hit to the QB's head. I hate that rule with a passion, but it did look like Jackson's head moved. However, it was unclear to me whether Briggs hit him in the head or Briggs hit Jackson's own arm into his own head.
The "late hit" penalty on Tillman was marginal. The fact that Jackson gained a few extra yards playing footsies with the sidelines made me realize how stupid those rules really are. If a player fakes like they are going to go out of bounds just to get a few more yards, they deserve to be punished. If a QB goes past the line of scrimmage, he deserves to be punished as well.
Incidentally, the play following that penalty was an obvious quick slant type play. When was the last time you remember a Bears player actually breaking up a quick slant on the opposing team? Tillman's forced fumbles on GB earlier in the year were further downfield. We suck at defending the quick slant. Yet, we suck at running the quick slant. You'd think we'd practice that a lot to get the D ready, but I guess not.
PO'd: You were right about Orton vs. Griese, but do you really think we would have had a shot to win out with Griese? I'd rather have 3 likely losses than 3 probably losses at this point. Just to aid our draft position a bit.
Even when Orton's passes were off the mark, had they been on the mark, I think many of them would have been picked off because our receivers can't manage to put any space between themselves and the defender.
December 18, 2007
#49 Mike said . . .Something caught my eye on a previous Haugh article from a week ago that I hadn't read, where he's looking forward to seeing Orton. He said:
"If Todd Collins can post a 144.6 passer rating after not appearing in an NFL game in five years, then Orton can run an offense efficiently despite not throwing a pass since Jan. 1, 2006."
What was Kyle's QB rating in his first game back after being gone for about the same amount of time?
59.5
Interestingly, what was Kyle's average rating in the strangely miraculous 2005 campaign?
59.7
For those who despise the QB rating (not I), I find the consistency very interesting, and especially since in my head, he looked exactly the same as I remembered. Pretty much didn't throw INTs because he's decently shifty in the pocket, but also because he was very inaccurate and couldn't hit the open man when he needed to.
Question to the crowd: If Orton is who we thought he was, was it a mistake leaving him on the roster over the last two years? Or is this precisely the kind of QB that fits the bill as 3rd QB? I favor the former over the latter. I think there has to be a positive reason for each QB on your roster. He's either a starter, or he's a caretaker, or he's a project. I think the jury will come in Orton to say he's none of these. A QB who consistently posts a 59 can't be called a caretaker; he CAN be called a shitty quarterback.
Orton's a shitty quarterback.
December 18, 2007
#50 Phil from SATX said . . .Orton is a REAL shitty quarterback. It's really too bad that there isn't a true developmental QB in the pipeline who can be given two games of big league trial right now. Instead we are stuck watching Orton play out the string. Further indictment of Jerry Angelo's blindspots in evaluating talent at the offensive skill positions.
December 18, 2007
#51 Pissed Off said . . .PO'd, for whatever reason in my bank we use MM for millions and M for thousands (most others use M and K). Billions can be MMM or B.
Interesting shit, huh?
December 18, 2007
#52 Phil from SATX said . . .Agree and disagree. I agree that each QB should be there for a reason and I agree Orton is shitty. However, there are only so many people in this world who can play QB in the NFL and Orton is one of those guys who can do it.....inefficiently.....but he can do it and that why he's worthy of a #3 spot. Hopefully not on this roster (depending on offseason moves) but somewhere I would think.
December 18, 2007
#53 startolsen said . . .Miked, I agree that we suck at defending the quick slant, but I think that everyone does. The only real way to defend that is to bat the ball down at the line, which some teams ARE very good at. Otherwise it's usually a completed pass if well thrown. This year we suck at tackling the guy who caught the slant, formerly a strength of ours.
The real question is, why don't we use that hard-to-defend play more ourselves?
Answer:
The Rat Bastard.
December 18, 2007
#54 This just into the newsroom.... said . . .Random thoughts:
A healthy Nathan Vasher would probably have meant a couple more wins. Really.
Hey, that Samoan guy looked good.
Wow, the playcalling was bad.
Kyle Orton still sucks.
December 18, 2007
#55 Mike said . . .Kyle Orton still fucking sucks. Details during the 6:00 news.
December 18, 2007
Hester and Abandaidandabanjo named Pro Bowl starters. Harris and Briggs named Pro Bowl reserves. No Urlacher or Kreutz. AS IT SHOULD BE given that clusterfuck of a season. Urlacher has been a shadow of his former self (Monday night notwithstanding) and Kreutz has played like shit along with his four other accomplices on the offensive line.
December 18, 2007
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