No team has ever been to back-to-back Super Bowls without a Hall of Fame quarterback. No team without Bill Parcells or Joe Gibbs has made it to multiple Super Bowls in five years without a Hall of Fame quarterback. It is the quarterback, stupid. It’s always been the quarterback. It’ll always be the quarterback. Especially in a football city that’s spent a century looking for one.
Everyone’s got an opinion. Here’s mine.
RE-SIGN REX GROSSMAN
I don’t have a ton of faith in Rex Grossman’s ability to lead the Bears over a prolonged period of time but the team would be well-served by an incentive-laden one or two-year deal with Sexy that would give him the time and opportunity to prove me and those like me wrong. Grossman isn’t getting a big contract anywhere and isn’t finding a more receptive offense to his talents. The job shouldn’t be his come camp, but he should have a chance to fight for it. (And I dare you to think of what you’ll feel should Rex throw a few touchdowns for Miami or Baltimore next season. You’ll miss him. I know you will. So does Pissed Off.)
KYLE ORTON OVER BRIAN GRIESE
Brian Griese gives the Bears no better chance to win than KO so the Bears must stick with the younger and hotter hand. KO doesn’t look quite like a number one in this league but he does look like a venerable backup, capable of winning every time he gets a start a la Steve Fuller.
BUT WHO HAS SHALL BE THE THREE?
This is where the questioning starts for me and I’ll rationalize my answers as such: the Bears must either add a quarterback ready to win it all now or a rookie they believe is the future of the franchise. The third spot can no longer be wasted on mediocre talents like Henry Burris.
The only veteran being mentioned that fits this bill is Donovan McNabb, a player I don't like. Great quarterbacks don't get traded while they're still great and I'd argue that McNabb's never been great. But guys like Derek Anderson couldn't interest me less. Why? Ask me again midway through 2008.
As for the rookie, I like Matt Ryan just fine. But I'm a Joe Flacco man. Here’s what Dan Pompeii said about his Senior Bowl. (Just remember, folks, I’ve been on Flacco since before most of you knew who he was.)
One of the big winners last week was Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco, who looked like the best passer in Mobile. One front-office man said Flacco has gone from a third-round pick to a high second-round pick, and it's even possible he could sneak into the first round. Flacco also may have passed Louisville's Brian Brohm as the second-ranked quarterback in the draft behind Matt Ryan of Boston College.
This is more than enough to get the ball rolling. Enjoy.
#2 Shady McBears Fan said . . .KO venerable? as in deserving of veneration? I like KO and want to see him on the 2008 roster, but he hasn't earned "venerable" status in my book yet.
January 28, 2008
#3 Your Heart said . . .Choosing a franchise QB is much like offering a marriage proposal (try and stick with me here). The organization needs to feel comfortable about making the right long term decision. Right now, the Bears have been courting Rex for the past couple years and dating Rex is like dating a women with great rack and tight ass (Good Rex). Great right? But eventually, you realize her smile is missing a few teeth, her breath smells like donkey balls and she occasionally shits the bed (Bad Rex).
I guess as a fan I've been able to look past the shit, gap tooth smile and halitosis for the tight body and great sex. But at some point, you have to take the bag off her head and sniff the sheets. Maybe one day Rex will get some dental work and perhaps pop a Mentos, but for now it's time to look for a better partner. They don't have to have a supermodel figure or give great head, they certainly need to get the job done day in and day out. (Re-post from September)
I still feel like it's time to move on from Rex. He's had his fair shake (and then some) and couldn't seal the deal. How many times can this guy burn us before we understand? I don't hate Rex, in fact I'll root for the guy if he ends up elsewhere in 2008, but I won't regret moving on from the Rexperiment. Fool me thrice, shame on everyone.
Joe Flacco?
I've been tracking potential offseason moves since November, including Flacco himself. (Post #9)
http://www.dabearsblog.com/2007/11/ruben_brown_on_ir.php
He's my boy. My pick. I see JA trading down for a late 1st and an early 2nd, and that early 2nd is Joe Flacco. Probably not, but a boy can dream can't he?
January 28, 2008
#4 Your Brain said . . .Let's keep Sexy Rexy!
January 28, 2008
#5 Jimbo said . . .Let him go.
January 28, 2008
#6 Jimbo said . . .Mike Mulligan on Flacco (Jan 25)...
"Joe Flacco, Delaware: He's a tall kid (6-6) with a strong arm, but the game is too fast for him at this point. You wonder about his feet, his reads and his understanding of the game. He's a project. The Vikings' Tarvaris Jackson is the only Division I-AA quarterback drafted in the last 10 years. If you want a sleeper, go after Johnson. Flacco is years away."
January 28, 2008
#7 Shady said . . .Mulligan is all-over Johnson as a sleeper...
"Josh Johnson, San Diego: He's a great athlete, the best at the position. He's raw and wiry but smooth. He reminds you of a young Donovan McNabb, but he's a more accurate passer. Jim Harbaugh recruited him to San Diego before he went to Stanford, and you can tell he has had some good coaching. You saw what he could do when he earned Offensive MVP honors in the East-West Shrine Game."
January 28, 2008
#8 Mike said . . .It seems like Flacco has been garnering more and more attention ever since I broke the story in November (joking). At that time he was projected as a 6th or 7th rounder, but since then Flacco has been moving up mock draft boards all over the nation and is currently losing his sleeper status. If he's now projected going early in the 2nd round or even late 1st, I would bet the Bears would have a hard time drafting this guy without their #14 pick. Imagine for a second that Roger Goodell steps up to the microphone: "With the 14th pick in the 2008 NFL draft, the Chicago Bears select... Joe Flacco, Deleware. Kidding, but seriously do it Chicago. I suppose they could trade down too, but it's hard to say whether the opportunity will be there for the Bears - if that's what they want to do.
What I think will really happen? Chicago won't draft a QB on the 1st day. They will address the line on both sides of the ball, select a RB and perhaps a WR.
January 28, 2008
#9 Z said . . .The Bears are going to draft an Offensive Tackle at #14 and focus on wide receiver, running back, safety and linebacker in rounds 2-4. It is that simple. The crop of prospective free agent offensive lineman isn't deep or particularly good. Get that in your heads as well.
January 28, 2008
#10 Shady said . . .I agree about Rex. The roller coaster ride gets me pretty queasy sometimes but the thought of KO being the most talented QB on the team next year flat out makes me feel like curling up in the fetal position in the corner and mumbling the screen pass won't work, the screen pass won't work, 2yard gain, 2 yard gain, over and over. And that doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun soooo
Rexy let's see if we can get it at least pretty solid for most of a year.Agree about the Griese and Orton situation too.
Which leaves us with what most of us will probably differ on here, what to do with that 3rd QB spot. If Rex signs I am not in favor of drafting a QB on day 1 or trading a couple high picks for someone. If Rex leaves I immediately say the opposite of the last sentence. At all costs. We don't need someone much better than Rex if the D and ST play to their potential and a couple WR's or RB's play decent but with worse than Rex (I mean how many TD's can #23 and the D score). At least Rex's up and down will get us some wins and whether it takes 8-8 9-7 or 10-6 to get there, there is only 1 goal. The playoffs at all costs.
January 28, 2008
#11 Shady said . . .Mike I'm with you on the 1st day positions you named, but not necessarily in that order. The Bears can select more of an offensive weapon with their 1st pick (RB, WR, QB?) if they can shore up that O-Line in free agency.
-Top Offensive Linemen-
Ruben Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
Alan Faneca, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Flozell Adams, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Ryan Lilja, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Max Starks, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jake Scott, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Todd Steussie UFA St. Louis Rams
Travelle Wharton UFA Carolina Panthers—Tier 2—
OG P.J. Alexander UFA Atlanta Falcons
OT Nat Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns
OT Trai Essex RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Cory Lekkerkerker RFA San Diego Chargers
OT Sean Locklear UFA Seattle Seahawks
OG Brian Rimpf RFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Keydrick Vincent UFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Fred Weary UFA Houston TexansSeems pretty deep and talented to me, especially when compared to other FA positions. Because this IS one of the deeper positions in FA, it would make sense for the Bears to become serious buyers in the market. But if they decide to forgo the FA route to solidify the line, then there is no doubt a 1st day pick or 2 will be used on an O-lineman.
I know I know, back to QB. But in all honesty, if the Bears can't protect their QB, it won't matter who's taking the snaps.
January 28, 2008
#12 PolygonHell said . . .Z,
The one goal is the playoffs?
How about a Super Bowl W?
January 28, 2008
#13 Mike said . . .Personally Idon't see a better short term option at QB than Grossman.
By allmeans have hime compete with Orton for the starting job in 08, but from all the accounts of camp and practice in 07 he's simply the better QB. Perhaps that doesn't translate directly to the field, but prior to the start of the season that's all the coaches have.I agree with the pick up a project QB in the draft and release Griese train of thought. how early that happens will likly depend on if Rex re-signs prior to the draft.
Having said that I think there is a 50% or better chance that Rex will elsewhere next year. In which case were lookig at a year of Orton or Griese and probably an earlier QB pick (though I don't much like any of the QB's this year).
January 28, 2008
#14 T said . . .The Bears need to draft a QB on day one of the draft. That being said, I will be stunned and amazed if Jerry Angelo does so. Angelo lives in denial. If Rex Grossman bolts (which I fully expect him to do), then Angelo will trade for a veteran to compete with Kyle Orton for the starting job. That veteran, in my opinion, will be J.P. Losman of Buffalo. This could turn out to be the clusterfuck of all clusterfuck moves. I'm just tellin' you how I see this thing playing out.
And lets be honest. As much as we would all LOVE to see the Bears draft a promising young QB, do we FORGET history with this franchise??? The Bears have NEVER been able to develop a fucking QB. If I am a QB in the draft and the Bears select me?? Then I'm looking for the nearest bridge to jump off. The Chicago Bears, OC Ron Turner and QB coach "Pep" the wonder dog are going to develop a young QB???? When pigs fly and start shitting from the sky.
As much as I dislike Rex Grossman, I will not blame him one bit for leaving. His five years in Chicago have been an unmitigated disaster. The media and fans (myself included) have thrown him under the bus too many times. He'd have to be the goofiest sumbitch on the planet to want back here. Especially with Ron Turner operating as the Offensive Coordinator. Grossman WILL get offers. Not great offers, but offers nonetheless. Perhaps in places like Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami. A new place where he can start all over with a clean slate.
January 28, 2008
#15 Z said . . .Shady post #2... I can't stop laughing. I tried to read it nonstop 3 times and still can't get there. As for your last line "...a boy can dream can't he?"....could it be your metaphors expose your dreams?
Gotta takle Rex/KO/BG or other QB in full tomorrow after I recover but certainly agree with 3rd para. Time to move on from Rex. I won't slash my wrists if we resign him. I will cheer as we all(?) would but that spectacular passing arm is connected to a short frame with very poor mobility.
ps...we may have dated the same chicks
January 28, 2008
#16 Shady said . . .Right u are Shady. Allow me to clarify. The one goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs. The one goal of the playoffs is to win the SB.
Just want to make sure we remember to put the horse before the cart there or else the horse just runs into a wall of defenders kind of like what our O-line was allowing to happen this year.
Plus I was 1 of the more arrogant posters thinking we were going to be 12-4 or 13-3 this year. 11-5 even with KO starting all year I remember saying. I was imagining possible NFC championship opponents in the preseason. My goals have started simpler and humbler. But yes SB win or bust always.
January 28, 2008
#17 Phil from SATX said . . .Glad you liked it T. But don't go all Freudian on me bro.
Mike, why do the Bears need to draft a QB on day 1 now? I mean you mentioned the Bears' inability to develop a QB, so why would you recommend risking an early pick on one? I know it's cliche, but I'll say it anyway: Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and Romo was undrafted... So there. And J.P. Losman? I'll give you credit for originality, but how is Losman an upgrade from Orton and a REAL veteran in Griese?
Outside of maybe Matt Ryan, it doesn't look like there is a QB who can come in and make an immediate impact like Manning or Palmer did. It might be smart for the Bears to wait on the drafting a QB until his surrounding cast has gone from bad to at least average. That includes improving the O-Line, RB and WR positions.
There are also some later round QB prospects worth considering:
Jimbo already mentioned Josh Johnson.
Colt Brennan's stock is falling about as fast as Flacco's is rising.
Dennis Dixon's draft stock was hurt by his season ending injury.
Kevin O'Connell out of San Diego State is 6'6 and 220lbs
Matt Flynn LSU has shown leadership by engineering 3 come from behind wins against SEC rivals Florida, Alabama and Auburn.
Bernard Morris Marshall. My new dark horse.All of those QB's are projected 3rd round or later:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2008&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
Here's a great video of draft expert Todd McShay on the senior QBs at the Senior Bowl:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3217190&categoryId=2378529
Gotta check this one out.
January 28, 2008
#18 Pissed Off said . . .Okay, no one is apparently buying into my concept of trading Orton to get something for him. I'm fine with keeping him and dumping Griese, because he definitely has more upside (although it surely seems to be limited), and right now he's cheaper than Griese. So fine, okay with that.
I had convinced myself recently that we had to go after McNabb. I'm off that again, but only based on the all-encompassing need to re-sign Rex. Shady hit the nail on the head - there's no point in thinking a different QB than Rex will turn around this franchise next year, ESPECIALLY a rookie, even Matt "The Next Joe Montana" (apparently) Ryan. Rex fits the bill better than anyone else when looking at our 2008 prospects.
Fix the oline, fix the O skill positions, fix the D secondary, let Rex run with it. If he doesn't make it next year, BALLS OUT on whoever's the best next year - I mean trade em all - GET THE FRANCHISE QB. Don't know who we're talking about right now, but whatever - there's gotta be some franchise QB out there. But NEXT year. I am starting to think we don't even want to waste a 3rd-4th this year - if somebody you like drops way down, go ahead and take a flyer on him.
But this year is about putting the pieces together around the QB, and again, NO ONE GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN IN 2008 THAN REX GROSSMAN.
Mike, your opinion on Rex has always been based on what you would do in Rex's situation. Rex, thankfully, is not you. He's said he wants to be here and I believe him.
Jeff, hope you're feeling better, and thanks to PO'd for filling in in your absence.
January 28, 2008
#19 mikebdot said . . .Of course you like Matt Ryan, who doesnt? And for every Dan Pompizzle article about Flacco there are 5 negative ones.
Re-sign Rex, he'll start. Cut Griesehole, Orton #2 or #3 and draft a guy late. Lets hope this guy has enough talent to at least make the team though unlike Leak.
I've heard Miami has interest in Rex.
January 28, 2008
#20 JB said . . .PO'd: Wasn't Leak undrafted though? Wonder how many drafted QBs from first 4 or 5 rounds didn't even make the roster...
January 28, 2008
#21 mikebdot said . . .PO'd, Mike, et al. It is time to play amateur psychologist. It is in the best interest of Rex to say he'd love to stay in Chicago, because that allows him the safe bet he'll have an initial offer. That sets the bar of salary requirements for other clubs around the league. If Miami has legit interest in Grossman, a tender from the Bears helps Rex get a better deal from Miami. It's like when you're single and it seems like there are no single women even remotely interested in you. Then you go on a date and bam, you've got like 3 girls interested. You don't reject the first girl because it leads to more, hopefully hotter women. I can't believe that Rex would resign here. It would seem like a complete mistake for a levelheaded guy, so the only hope is that Rex is crazy...which is not something you want in you're starting QB. So really, let him go.
If KO starts, live with it. But try to make the deal for McNabb if it's reasonable. If not, draft a QB on the first day to bring in behind KO. Don't talk to me about draft history...I can't see how that's a future indicator of how a new QB would perform. My pick is still Andre Woodson Jr because we're not getting anywhere close to Ryan, I don't really like Brohm, Brennan, Flacco etc.
January 28, 2008
#22 Rancid said . . .Of the 11 drafted QBs from last year's draft, the only player not on a roster is Jordan Palmer. Thigpen was cut and signed by the Chiefs. Both players were in round 6 or later. So, if we draft a QB in the earlier rounds, chances are he'll make the roster...especially if proceeded by letting Griese go...or Rex signing elsewhere...or both!
January 28, 2008
#23 Taylor said . . .The best plan:
1. Re-sign Rex
2. draft a 3rd round QB
3. cut the GreasemasterThe next plan (if Rex runs screaming)
1. Trade for McNabb
2 .draft 3rd round QB
3. cut the GreasemasterThe other plan
1. Keep Orton
2. Keep Greasemaster
3. Draft QB
4. Schedule family vacation during 08 post-season since the Bears won't make the playoffs.Phil - I think we wouldn't get more than a 6th round pick for Orton. I'd rather have KO as a trustable backup.
I freaking hate to agree with JA, but we do have to see what happens in FA in order to talk draft. Our first pick will likely depend on what we don't get in FA. Only if we lose Rex and don't take McNabb would I say we take a QB at 14.
January 28, 2008
#24 jeff said . . .I don't know why all you people that are saying "trade for McNabb", think that that is even a remotely viable option. First of all I really don't see Philadelphia parting with him period, and if they did the price would be quite high. Secondly, I see McNabb as a formerly good (not great) quarterback that is on the decline. I also don't even think McNabb would want to come here, especially if there's an option like Minnesota on the table.
We need to keep Rex and I do think that he wants to stay here. Cut Griese, I think we're all in agreement on that. I say screw bringing in a vet to compete, let Rex and Kyle fight it out, (Rex will win that fight easily), and lets draft a mid round QB.January 28, 2008
#25 23=rsandberg=mjordan=dhester said . . .i love you guys. i talk about every other position you talk about about quarterback. i talk about quarterback, you talk about o line. o line is next by the way. much more complicated.
January 28, 2008
#26 Phil from SATX said . . .Most likely scenario, groosman & orton will battle it out along w/a rookie & either Losman or Anderson from FA.Which I dont really see the bears giving up that much 4 Anderson,but Losman has potential & shouldnt break the bank w/him.As far as Griese he should be gone even though he is the closest thing we have as qb coach,Turner & Hamilton both suck until they prove they can groom young talent.
January 28, 2008
#27 JB said . . .Taylor, although I agree with your ultimate conclusion, you're wrong when you say signing McNabb is not "remotely viable." Unless something's changed recently, most sources seem to think it's highly likely that McNabb will be gone. Eagles like the new guy, and this represents an important window for them where they can get some substantial compensation for a rapidly aging QB.
While Minnesota does look like a better situation offensively for McNabb, let's remember that it entails actually moving to Minnesota. I personally think MN is great, but I think most would agree that Chicago is vastly preferable, especially since McNabb's a home town guy. And it's not like McNabb would be joining a team in disarray - no, not put together like MN maybe, but don't you think McNabb would love to be in a situation when he gets to start every possession at the 40? Have the weapons of Des Clark, Greg Olsen, Devin Hester?
It's not nearly as cut and dried as you suggest. But as I said, I agree with your ultimate conclusion, and Rancid, if we're only talking about a 6th rounder, I say keep Orton too.
January 28, 2008
#28 Phil from SATX said . . .For the record, I don't think there are a lot of trade for McNabb people on here. I am one of them, and even I don't think there is a good possibility of it happening. There is no way the same 3 will be back and the only one I know will be back is KO. A midround QB...that's really a shot in the dark. I realize there are a lot of first round busts...and a lot of hall of famers. The point is, talent is in the top rounds and you have to take it there to get it. For every Tom Brady, there are 1000 Brad Banks. How many starting quarterbacks right now were 1st round draft picks? 2nd round?
1st: Big Ben, Peyton, Eli, McNabb, Cutler, Palmer, Rivers, Campbell, Vince Young, Alex Smith, Leinart, Grossman, Harrington, Losman, McNair, Pennington, Russell
2nd: Favre, Brees, Tavaris
3rd: Schaub, Croyle, Edwards
4th: Garrard
6th: Brady, Bulger, Hasselbeck
Undrafted: Garcia, Romo, Kitna, DelhommeNow if you want to sit back and hope we can find the next 6th round wonder, or sign an undrafted guy, great. But these guys are usually sit and learn guys (brady behind bledsoe, romo behind bledsoe, bulger behind warner, hass behind favre, garcia is a nut case, delhomme behind favre?, kitna...well, whatever. The point is that normally the talented guys, that aren't too far away from making an impact, are found on the first day...more likely the 1st because of the premium on the position.
I understand 1st round picks are given more of a chance to succeed, etc. But I think that if you want a franchise guy, the best bet is in the 1st round.
Andre Woodson Jr.
January 28, 2008
#29 Phil from SATX said . . .Research on P.J. Losman suggests that he's a very similar QB to Rex. His numbers are similar but better in nearly every category. He's known to throw a very good long ball but his shorter throws are not nearly as accurate (that coming from comments, not from stats). He has more mobility than Rex. He's also two inches taller.
Most Bills fans like Trent Edwards better, both in terms of recent performance and upside. Losman will probably go for more money and have more suitors on the free market than Rex. I myself want Rex, but if Rex flees, Losman looks like he could be a suitable FA replacement, and probably significantly cheaper than McNabb.
January 28, 2008
#30 Taylor said . . .Great research and conclusions, JB.
January 28, 2008
#31 Jimbo said . . .Phil...Do you agree though that McNabb is on decline? I say that as someone who has been a supporter of McNabb. I just don't think he is as good as he once was and I don't think he will ever get back there. He's what 32 or 33.
I still stand by my thoughts on Philadelphia not wanting to let him go. Look at the QB situation around the league, even if they like Kolb, you just don't give up a QB with the skill McNabb has unless you are getting something pretty good in return. With the state of our O-line, running game, and safety position, I don't think can give up draft picks or any starters to get McNabb.
I don't buy into professional athletes wanting to play in their home town or not wanting to move to Minnesota (or wherever). I'm sure their are multiple teams that would show interest in McNabb, other than Minnesota or Chicago. I have to assume that McNabb would want to play where he thinks he can win. I also have to assume that Philadelphia wants to get the most for him IF they do decide to trade him. I just think it's a pipe dream, and from my view a bad one.January 28, 2008
#32 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .Haven't been able to find an article that cites Miami's interest in Rex...
Can anyone point me to one or tell me where they heard that?
My vote is to resign him. I'm not a huge fan but given the barren landscape of available QB's in the league it's really the most practical option.
January 28, 2008
#33 Phil from SATX said . . .WIth the money that the Bears have I say offer Rex a 3-4 yr deal,An pay BB to be there top WR.
Otherwise what are we saving the money for?We don't spend it on big name free agents?(unless you count WR Moose an LT Tai(n)t.
January 28, 2008
#34 Pissed Off said . . .JB, you can look at your list and come to a completely different conclusion.
Because of the premium put on the position, there are lots of QBs taken in the first round. If you reassess those QBs on your list, I would want to remove a bunch of names who haven't yet proven they were worthy of a 1st round pick:
Jay Cutler
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Alex Smith
Matt Leinart
Rex Grossman
Joey Harrington
PJ Losman
Chad Pennington
Jamarcus RussellTherefore, of the 17 names taken in the first round, only 7 are bonafide as deserving of first round picks AT THIS POINT IN TIME (and that's including Eli, who hasn't proven much more than Rex yet).
That makes 7 worthies in the 1st, and 9 in later rounds (counting Favre, Brees, Brady, Bulger, Hasselback, Garcia, Romo, Kitna and Delhomme). The "later than first round" group expands further if you want to include the likes of Garrard and Schaub.
You can quibble with the individual names here, but you see where I'm going with this? There are heavy hitters spread throughout, and a majority of those taken in the first round haven't shown yet that they are worthy.
Looks like a relative crap shoot to me, which suggests SAVE YOUR POWDER. Or maybe it suggests something even stronger - spend your money on a proven free agent. The problem is, how many of these ever really hit the market? Garcia did, Ditna did, McNabb might - the others? no.
January 28, 2008
#35 Mike said . . .Mikeb, yeah Leak was undrafted but you see my point.
To JB in #20.....NO!
Wow Taylor #23, people might think that was me in disguise, perfect post (according to what I believe anyway) except that I think Chicago would be more attractive than Minnesota for McNabb because its his hometown.
January 28, 2008
#36 jeff said . . .Apparently I'm surrounded by goofy bastards with foreheads the size of drive-in movie screens on this board. Are some of you actually saying that the long-term solution at QB starts with drafting one of these nameless rabbles in the mid-rounds??? Why? Well gee whiz, because look at how it turned out in New England with Tom Brady !!!! Heavens to mergatroid, I think I have now officially witnessed it all. The Chicago Bears are incapable of selecting the right QB and developing ANY QB. Yet the Mel Kipers of the board insist that we can unearth the next friggin Tom Brady!!
The 2008 draft includes a dubious and overrrated group of QBs in my estimation. The only guy who is first round worthy is Matt Ryan, and even he comes with plenty of question marks. I'm not sold on any of these guys.
I'd just as soon see Jerry Angelo not waste any more draft picks on intriguing projects, especially at the QB position. Everytime Angelo tries to get cute in ends up in disaster (e.g., Mark Bradley in the 2nd round, Dan Bauzain in the 2nd round, Garrett Wolfe in the 3rd round). Focus on drafting offensive lineman and filling in the gaping holes at wide receiver, running back, linebacker and saftety.
January 28, 2008
#37 Pissed Off said . . .mike, think your assessment is just out to lunch on a lot there, especially decreeing g wolfe a disaster after one productive rookie season where he spent the year third on the depth chart. i think people who would also respect you more and i might listen to what you say if you didn't preface your comments with personal insults. it's boring and pointless and doesn't exactly make me think i'm about to read something valid about the chicago bears.
January 28, 2008
#38 Taylor said . . .Touche.
January 28, 2008
#39 johnny said . . .I will agree with Mike on the fact that Garrett Wolf was a wrong pick because it seemed a little cocky to me. First of all, Wolf probably should have been a fourth round pick, secondly if ur gonna draft a running back it should have been someone who can compete as a starter and someone who can block. I think Wolf is an asset but here we are a year later in need of a running.
January 28, 2008
#40 Mike said . . .I think we should fix the entire offensive line. If we can get a running game going and protect Rex we can be on top again. After reviewing the 2007 season, there is lots of potential with this team. We nee to rebuild the offensive line and I believe Rex can take us to another SB.
January 28, 2008
#41 Mike said . . .I watched Garrett Wolfe play three years at NIU. A wonderful elusive back at the mid-major level. But a 3rd round pick in the NFL? No, not by a long-shot. Wolfe is 5'6 1/2 inches and weights 175 pounds soaking wet. Picking him in the 3rd round was ridiculously arrogant on the part of Angelo. Ditto the pick of Dan Bauzain who I will not be shocked to see get cut during training camp next summer. And we won't even get into the ludicrous move to draft a Mark Bradley who was a project wide receiver at Oklahoma and not good enough to get on the field in Bob Stoops' offense.
Lets be clear on one thing. I'm not advocating the addition of a J.P. Losman type to compete with Kyle Orton for the starting job. I'm just saying this is how I envision the process unfolding. And I do see the Bears also wasting a mid-round draft pick on another QB. Who? I have zero idea.
Back to Wolfe for a minute. Given that the Bears have clear need for another running back, then where does that leave Wolfe???? The Bears aren't going to whack the bust Ced Benson at this stage of his contract. So are they going to cut the moderatly effective and popular Adrian Peterson? Would seem to me that Wolfe winds up being the casualty. So yeah, we are left with a 3rd round draft pick bust when all is said and done.
January 28, 2008
#42 JB said . . .I watched Garrett Wolfe play three years at NIU. A wonderful elusive back at the mid-major level. But a 3rd round pick in the NFL? No, not by a long-shot. Wolfe is 5'6 1/2 inches and weights 175 pounds soaking wet. Picking him in the 3rd round was ridiculously arrogant on the part of Angelo. Ditto the pick of Dan Bauzain who I will not be shocked to see get cut during training camp next summer. And we won't even get into the ludicrous move to draft a Mark Bradley who was a project wide receiver at Oklahoma and not good enough to get on the field in Bob Stoops' offense.
Lets be clear on one thing. I'm not advocating the addition of a J.P. Losman type to compete with Kyle Orton for the starting job. I'm just saying this is how I envision the process unfolding. And I do see the Bears also wasting a mid-round draft pick on another QB. Who? I have zero idea.
Back to Wolfe for a minute. Given that the Bears have clear need for another running back, then where does that leave Wolfe???? The Bears aren't going to whack the bust Ced Benson at this stage of his contract. So are they going to cut the moderatly effective and popular Adrian Peterson? Would seem to me that Wolfe winds up being the casualty. So yeah, we are left with a 3rd round draft pick bust when all is said and done.
January 28, 2008
#43 mikebdot said . . .Mike, I think we're all pretty sick of the Mike vs. the World mentality you bring on here and treating everyone like they're below you. Just give your opinion without the insults.
Phil, I'm not suggesting that taking a QB in round one will equal success...obviously. i think that QB is the riskiest position to draft in the first round and I think that the "bust rate" is probably about 50%. However, does that mean we should just try to draft a mid round guy where the "bust rate" could be 90%? I guess I don't know the answer.
January 28, 2008
#44 willie from chicago said . . .Phil: 7 out of 17 is much better odds than 9 out of many more than 17. If you think QB is a position worthy of selecting someone you can build your franchise around, you better do it with your first round pick. I would argue you better trade up to do it in the early first round as well. Yes, it's a crap shoot, but you're betting on 7, not snake eyes...and I would argue the drop off in odds in roughly similar.
Honestly, I don't think Grossman was a terrible pick back in '03 and I actually think we were HOPING he would just not be hurt after one season...then two...then we struck it rich...then pulled the rug from underneath him. I would be willing to sign the Rex again, but the number 14 pick should be good enough to get a shot at a quality QB and I'd much rather be in a position of too many options at QB than too few.
All that being said, if we don't use 14 for a QB, I would definitely be in favor of drafting Dennis Dixon. His injury could be a blessing in disguise for some lucky team out there. Just my opinion though. I really think he would have won the Heisman had he not been injured.
January 28, 2008
#45 willie from chicago said . . .Phill I completely agree with you, you hit the nail on the hammer there.
As far as our quarterback, Rex grossman is the most logical answer. Most of the people that think Rex should go are probably living in a warm weather climate and dont appreciate there QB, Rex led us to a superbowl and can throw a 70 yard TD at any point in the game. And with Devin Hester as a reciever, who else has the arm to keep up with that speed, noone on the free agent market, so Rex is the answer.
The reason why Rex is the best option is MAINLY that he already knows how the offense flows. Shure we can bring in Mcnabb but it might take him a year to fully learn the offense, plus he is still fighting that ACL so he wont be as healthy as Rex.
Like ive been saying for weeks now: IF WE FIX THE LINE THEN THE QB POSITION WILL FIX ITSELF!!!!! Its that simple, you fix the offensive line then the WHOLE offense will be fixed. Our O-line is that bad!
For the first round pick we shouldnt go with a QB or an O-lineman, no we have to either get Kenny Philips if he falls to us, or get a Running Back.
The O-line has to be built through free agency were the players are proven so that way we dont end up with a bust.
So this is going to be are QB situation for next year:
1 Rex Grossman2 Kyle Orton
3 2nd round QB
Jeff, another great post, im glad your back man, I hope you get to 100% soon!
January 28, 2008
#46 willie from chicago said . . .Phill I completely agree with you, you hit the nail on the hammer there.
As far as our quarterback, Rex grossman is the most logical answer. Most of the people that think Rex should go are probably living in a warm weather climate and dont appreciate there QB, Rex led us to a superbowl and can throw a 70 yard TD at any point in the game. And with Devin Hester as a reciever, who else has the arm to keep up with that speed, noone on the free agent market, so Rex is the answer.
The reason why Rex is the best option is MAINLY that he already knows how the offense flows. Shure we can bring in Mcnabb but it might take him a year to fully learn the offense, plus he is still fighting that ACL so he wont be as healthy as Rex.
Like ive been saying for weeks now: IF WE FIX THE LINE THEN THE QB POSITION WILL FIX ITSELF!!!!! Its that simple, you fix the offensive line then the WHOLE offense will be fixed. Our O-line is that bad!
For the first round pick we shouldnt go with a QB or an O-lineman, no we have to either get Kenny Philips if he falls to us, or get a Running Back.
The O-line has to be built through free agency were the players are proven so that way we dont end up with a bust.
So this is going to be are QB situation for next year:
1 Rex Grossman2 Kyle Orton
3 2nd round QB
Jeff, another great post, im glad your back man, I hope you get to 100% soon!
January 28, 2008
#47 willie from chicago said . . .Phill I completely agree with you, you hit the nail on the hammer there.
As far as our quarterback, Rex grossman is the most logical answer. Most of the people that think Rex should go are probably living in a warm weather climate and dont appreciate there QB, Rex led us to a superbowl and can throw a 70 yard TD at any point in the game. And with Devin Hester as a reciever, who else has the arm to keep up with that speed, noone on the free agent market, so Rex is the answer.
The reason why Rex is the best option is MAINLY that he already knows how the offense flows. Shure we can bring in Mcnabb but it might take him a year to fully learn the offense, plus he is still fighting that ACL so he wont be as healthy as Rex.
Like ive been saying for weeks now: IF WE FIX THE LINE THEN THE QB POSITION WILL FIX ITSELF!!!!! Its that simple, you fix the offensive line then the WHOLE offense will be fixed. Our O-line is that bad!
For the first round pick we shouldnt go with a QB or an O-lineman, no we have to either get Kenny Philips if he falls to us, or get a Running Back.
The O-line has to be built through free agency were the players are proven so that way we dont end up with a bust.
So this is going to be are QB situation for next year:
1 Rex Grossman2 Kyle Orton
3 2nd round QB
Jeff, another great post, im glad your back man, I hope you get to 100% soon!
January 28, 2008
#48 willie from chicago said . . .Phill I completely agree with you, you hit the nail on the hammer there.
As far as our quarterback, Rex grossman is the most logical answer. Most of the people that think Rex should go are probably living in a warm weather climate and dont appreciate there QB, Rex led us to a superbowl and can throw a 70 yard TD at any point in the game. And with Devin Hester as a reciever, who else has the arm to keep up with that speed, noone on the free agent market, so Rex is the answer.
The reason why Rex is the best option is MAINLY that he already knows how the offense flows. Shure we can bring in Mcnabb but it might take him a year to fully learn the offense, plus he is still fighting that ACL so he wont be as healthy as Rex.
Like ive been saying for weeks now: IF WE FIX THE LINE THEN THE QB POSITION WILL FIX ITSELF!!!!! Its that simple, you fix the offensive line then the WHOLE offense will be fixed. Our O-line is that bad!
For the first round pick we shouldnt go with a QB or an O-lineman, no we have to either get Kenny Philips if he falls to us, or get a Running Back.
The O-line has to be built through free agency were the players are proven so that way we dont end up with a bust.
So this is going to be are QB situation for next year:
1 Rex Grossman2 Kyle Orton
3 2nd round QB
Jeff, another great post, im glad your back man, I hope you get to 100% soon!
January 28, 2008
#49 Phil from SATX said . . .Sorry, i didnt mean to save my post twice lol, the computer at school is just messed up lol
January 28, 2008
#50 JB said . . .Good point on the stats MikeB. I didn't think about that, that's why you're our stats guy. Although remember we're only looking at the 17 guys from the first round who start for their teams. There may be more than that out there, but your point is well taken.
If anyone has the time today (I unfortunately don't) let's look at how many QB's are drafted per round for each of the last, oh, 8 years or so and see what the real percentages are. I'm sure that it would be informative, and it might suggest that a team is crazy (on on odds basis) to do anything but use first round picks on QBs, or else punt and go FA. Of course money plays into it - you need your 3rd QB on the roster, and you'd be stupid to spend a lot for him - later round QB picks fill that need, and do so cheaply, while keeping you in the game for that slim chance that you've got a Brady or Romo hidden on your roster.
But we already have a first rounder available, and he comes with some success behind him. That's why I don't think this is the year to go balls out. But you've got to sign him first.
January 28, 2008
#51 DTB said . . .Just read Kipers mock. Very interesting and different than what others have. He only has Ryan going in the first round (of QB's), and us taking an OT on a run of 3 of them. If that means we can get someone in round two, i'd be down. Also like getting a #1 back at some point.
January 28, 2008
#52 Mike said . . .23-13 as the starting QB of the Chicago Bears.
If any of you have the time go back and look at the archives of this blog. Rex has gone from enigma to savior to goat, several times over again. And to be perfectly honest with you, the record is the only thing I care about. He is not a franchise QB that can cover up deficiencies. What is Rex? He is a complementary QB that can make every throw you need him to make, he has support from his teammates and has proven to make big throws when he needs to. Has he shown the ability to carry his team every single game? NO, and that in my opinion is his only problem. Rex has shown the ability to put points on the board but he cant win a championship by himself.
Everyone needs to realize that Rex's sub par performances, have been blown completely out of proportion. How many of those bad games in '06 did we actually lose? I'm thinking only 3. Was he just being honest about NYE against the Pack? Did he lose the SB, single handedly? No. Did he actually have a QB/C exchange plroblem in a game that mattered? No.
In my opinion the only question I have ever had regarding Rex is, Did Rex deserve the benching after only 3 games this year? AND. Why did Lovie and his staff not realize that what was hurting this offense was bad hands and a shitty line. Unfortunately, I think that Lovie singled Rex out. Think about it, who else got benched? I'm thinking that last year created an even larger chip on Rex's shoulder and we would be fools for not resigning him.
As far as the rest of the depth chart, bye bye Greise. I just dont like him. Is that reason enough? But in the draft, get someone with talent and let him sit. There is no rush whatsoever with someone we draft, that has been the problem with all the QB flops in recent years on every team. They play too early. The craziest shit I saw all year was Brady Quinn entering the last game of the year with Anderson hurt and he got a fucking standing O. I nearly shit all over myself. Even with the year D.A. had, leading them to the best year that Browns fans have seen in years, the fans were still clamouring for the Rook.
Don't let it happen here, but it will. First INT Rex throws at home next year they will be chanting his name, whomever it may be. Such is the career of Rex Grossman.
January 28, 2008
#53 mikebdot said . . .It is INCREDIBLY arrogant of the peanut gallery on this board to think that the Bears can quickly fix the offensive line via a clever addition or two in free agency. The o-line is a disaster. Ruben Brown and Fred Miller were finished a year ago. John Tait is getting old in his own right, and probably needs to move back to right tackle soon. Roberto Garza is no great shakes. And the venerable Olin Kreutz didn't have a good 2007 by any stretch.
You don't "fix" an offensive line on the fly. Besides, the Bears need to "rebuild" an offensive line from near scratch. The process starts with the #14 pick in the 2008 NFL draft. A draft that is deep in offensive tackle prospects.
January 28, 2008
#54 mikebdot said . . .2000: 12 QBs taken/1 in 1st round, Chad Pennington
2001: 11/2 (1 in 1st round, Drew Brees 1st pick of 2nd round (pick number 32, so let's go ahead and count him), so, Vick #1 and Brees
2002: 15/3, David Carr #1, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey
2003: 13/4, Carson Palmer #1, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex
2004: 17/4, Eli Manning #1, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, J.P. Losman
2005: 14/3, Alex Smith #1, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell
2006: 12/3, Vince Young (finally, #3), Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler
2007: 11/2, JaMarcus Russell (#1, again), Brady Quinn
So, 105 taken overall, 22 in first round.
Not sure what to do with this data to tell you the truth. I think teams that need a QB pick in the first round and thus why they start. So, the fact that so many have been drafted in round 1 doesn't really say that much. It was interesting in that so few QBs are chosen every year.
It is probably unheard of to do this, but what if a team drafted TWO QBs in hopes that just ONE of them would be above average? That would probably be the stupidest decision ever...unless you found the next Tom Brady...
January 28, 2008
#55 mikebdot said . . .In fact, that would be a very interesting draft strategy. Draft two of your need positions every single year. If you have 8 picks you can address 4 need positions and hopefully one pans out. If BOTH pan out, holy shit.
For instance, this year, two OTs, two safeties, two running backs (yes, two, a FB and a HB, McKie me no likey), and two WRs.
Just a random thought.
January 28, 2008
#56 DTB said . . .Uh, forgot QB. Oh well, it's a stupid idea anyway as it would be easy to leave a gaping hole somewhere else...whatever though, bored at work...
January 28, 2008
#57 Al in WI said . . .Again Mike, have to disagree. An offensive line can be fixed in a single off-season. And will be done this year with a first round draft pick and a FA guard from Indy to go along with either Garza / R. Brown / Beekman.
The 2004 Chicago Bears offensive line from left to right; Tait, Steve Edwards, Kruetz, Metcalf, Quasim Mitchell. And you remember how bad they were as a group.
Now look at '05, Tait, Garza, Kruetz, R. Brown, F. Miller. That group dominated the line of scrimmage. It can be done and if you have any faith, it will be done.
January 28, 2008
#58 Megan said . . .DTB, you beat me to it! Great comparison. In 2004 our line was about the worst in football, and amongst the worst in franchise history.
The task facing JA is actually easier then it was back in 2005. He only has to find 2 players, probably on the left side with several available options in both the draft and FA.
Everybody knows what I think about the qb situation. Bring back Rex, draft a guy 2nd-3rd round and bring in a FA for #2. I'm with Phil, and have suggested this before, that we trade Orton. He will never be an option as a long term starter because he lacks the accuracy to play the position. He had two years on the bench to improve and he didn't. Mabey a team like Carolina desperate for a game manager for a backup will want him for a 4th rounder.
My pick for the FA addition would be Chris Simms, but Losman is an interesting project as well. I like that both guys are still young enough to develop but have some game experience. And they would both be cheap.
Rex Grossman should be offered a 3-yr deal with a solid base similar to what he has now and loaded with incentives based on preformance and playing time. A one year deal is a bad idea as proved by what happened early in this year and he'd get a better offer somewhere else.January 28, 2008
#59 jeff said . . .QB's? sheeeit, I dunno. I was in agreement with whomever said that we need a better o-line no matter who ends up being our QB. Kind of hard for the QB to do his job if the o-line is like swiss cheese.
NO to McNabb, yet another psuedo-band-aid solution. I still say the O-Line needs more help right now and let whomever we have in the QB spot duke it out in camp.I have teeth, I don't have halitosis and I have solved my incontinance problem.. Why do I mention that? I dunno, I kind of felt like I had to?? (Shady, that was some funny analogizing you did there.. )
January 28, 2008
#60 Mike said . . .mike, jerry angelo went out of his way to applaud both olsen and wolfe at the year-end press conference. he's not going anywhere; certainly not getting cut should they add an additional back.
January 29, 2008
#61 mikebdot said . . .Well then Jeff, then that means Adrian Peterson should start packing his bags because SOMEBODY among the current crop of running backs is a goner given the arrival of a desperately needed new running back. You don't carry 4 running backs in this league. Nobody does, and the Bears won't be the first to start a trend.
My fellow NIU alumnus Garrett Wolfe is on the bubble next summer. Make no mistake about it. Adrian Peterson is too valuable as an overall team contributor for him to get whacked. And of course Jerry Angelo isn't going to whack Cedric Benson.
January 29, 2008
#62 T said . . .Mike: McKie could be SOL too. AP would make a decent fullback with 15 more pounds of muscle. Get that man some HGH.
And didn't the Giants have 4 running backs to start the season?
January 29, 2008
#63 mikebdot said . . .Release Griese. Not very original thought on my part. Keep KO as #2....could do a lot worse and IMHO doubt we could get good trade value there. For #1 I would try to resign Rex (#yrs is linked to playing time and perf stats - yes I know that's not an easy thing to do but it can be done) AND go for a FA QB to compete for #1...probably McNabb or Losman although I can't get all gooey over either one. Would like Flynn of SD State in 3rd round or ssecond if JA does his up/down draft pick dance.
More important to fix the O-line and get another GOOD safety.
Lastly I'll wager anyone on the board a five spot that Cedric is not a Bear by the start of Reg season and is out of the NFL no more than 1 year later.
And lastly postscript...Doesn't it bother anyone else that Rex is a tad short and lacks mobility? Trying to be polite here.January 29, 2008
#64 Pissed Off said . . .http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Go to the post at 1/28 at 8:51 pm. There is a picture of that last Favre interception.
How awesome is that? And, yes, that is what I remembered when I said Grant was literally wide open right in front of Favre. That of course, isn't to mention the wide receiver that was wide open on the left 20 yards downfield.
I hope Favre comes back next year. I really do. Or the TE right in the middle. He literally picked the only covered receiver. HA!
January 29, 2008
#65 Pissed Off said . . .Rex is short but he cant help that so whats the point. He was quite mobile after coming back from his benching. If you watched the games you'll see that Rex ran forward on several occassions when the pocket collapsed instead of running backwards like he used to do.
I also agree with those who say that the offensive line can be fixed this offseason. IMO it might be possible to fix this thing with ONE guy only.
Regarding the RB talk I would say that several teams can carry more than 3 backs plus you can take into account guys that are considered fullbacks. Look at the giants RBs (Bradshaw, Droughns, Jacobs, Ware) and then FB-Hedgecock. Packers might be the same way, I think they had a lot of RBs too. Anyway we have probably 5 total spots to fill for the backfield positions. So we can have 4RBs, and 1FB or 3RBs 2FBs or maybe just 5 RBs or 4RBs with no FBs at all. I like the idea of a guy like Brain Leonard for the Rams, he's probably more of a fullback cuz he can block and he's big but he can also be the feature guy and carry the ball 20 times a game should the #1 go down. Anyway my point is that we can have up to 5 spots to fill for the backfield.
January 29, 2008
#66 RandomName said . . .Hey Jeff, after reading your post here and then remembering when we were conversing via email a month or two ago you made it sound to me like you did have faith in Rex, after his benching, when you said if the offense was run right (pass, pass and pass like the Seahawks did) that he'd throw for 400. Or did you just mean he could be productive but still not a leader??
January 29, 2008
#67 JB said . . .Mikebdot:
Hey, I like Favre. Hey we all shouldn't be so surprised that he threw an interception he does have the record for them.Forget about Grant, Favre threw it to the exact guy that he should have thrown to, it was a bad throw.
that's my two cents.
January 29, 2008
#68 mikebdot said . . .The Giants are the team I had in mind with a ton of backs because they traded ryan grant before the year started. Nothing says you can't carry 5 guys in the backfield...we almost did this year if you'll remember we were going to sign Chris Brown until he got a better offer at TEN. AP isn't going anywhere, he's good when he gets in during relief, he's just not a feature back. He's also a stellar special teams player...there's just no way he's gone. Wolfe isn't going anywhere either...he's a threat. It's cocky to say Bazuin was a mistake...the guy was placed on IR before the season started...how can you judge a guy after that? I would have rather seen the pick used for a greater need, but I can't write him off until I see what he can do. Anyways, I expect AP, Wolfe, Benson all to be on the roster in addition to a FA (Fargus) or a rookie...but we already went over all this in a previous post.
January 29, 2008
#69 Bearfan34 said . . .Randomname: Um, the other three receivers were open, the guy he threw it to was not. How was that a good decision, especially in that awful weather? Grant could have gained at least 10 yards, unless Strahan made a great play, which is possible, but with a well placed ball, Grant gets 10-15 easy.
January 29, 2008
#70 RandomName said . . .Sign Rex and watch him in the pro bowl in Feb!
As always,
Bear Down!
January 29, 2008
#71 JB said . . .Mikebdot:
What down was it anyway? 3rd or 4th?Anyways, if he sidelined the throw then the receiver would've had a good chance at making th catch.
He threw it too inside.
January 29, 2008
#72 RandomName said . . .well, it was in overtime random name...so it wasn't 4th down. i think it was either 2nd or 3rd down.
January 29, 2008
#73 Jimbo said . . .Also Note ,
I'm not defending Favre completely because after looking at the photo I bet even he'd admit a better receiver was available.
But the choice wasn't impossible just the angle of the throw needed to be about 5 degrees right.
Anyways I'm no Packer hater specially since Lovie's been on board. I'm quite indifferent to Farve, he has only one season left in him anyways.
January 29, 2008
#74 Taylor said . . .For what it's worth, this site trys to rank the various NFL Draft Gurus out there. Enjoy.
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/FREE_CONTENT/top100mock.shtml
January 29, 2008
#75 RandomName said . . .Yes we all know that Rex is short, but that can be overcome. Just look at Drew Brees, Rex is actually bigger than him.
As far as mobility goes, no its not Rex's first instinct but I think it is something that can be improved upon. I'm sure that if not for his previous leg injuries he would me more comfortable moving around, but again with the right coaching i think he can get better.January 29, 2008
#76 mikebdot said . . .Wow Jimbo, Ranking the rankers.
Is this anything like when the paparazzi becomes the celebrity?
January 29, 2008
#77 Megan said . . .And for the record, it was 2nd and 8. He should have dumped it off to Grant. It's that simple. He was literally standing directly in front of Favre.
Anyhow, re-sign Grossman if you can. If not and we don't bring in a free agent, that leaves us with Griese, Orton and rookie to be named later? Wow, that would certainly not make me happy, especially if Griese beats Orton out of the job...yuck.
January 29, 2008
#78 Mike said . . .No Random. Ranking the rankers makes them rank. or reak? ahhh nevermind....
January 29, 2008
#79 Al in WI said . . .DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP ON REX GROSSMAN (MIKE IMREM - DAILY HERALD)
I could not agree more with this article. Like I said before it is just plain goofy to compare Eli Manning and Rex Grossman.
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We interrupt Super Bowl XLII week for this public service announcement:
Giants quarterback Eli Manning's successful run through the playoffs this season doesn't provide hope that Bears quarterback Rex Grossman will develop likewise next season.
Comparing the two is a way for Bears fans to maintain their sanity. The tendency is to reach for stretches when your team hasn't had a transcendent quarterback in more than a half-century.
But comparing Grossman to Manning is like comparing, say, a quarterback to an eye doctor.
(Coincidentally, the Manning family patriarch was a great NFL quarterback and the Grossman family patriarch played the position at Indiana University before becoming a great eye doctor.)
Anyway, the primary reason Manning and Grossman have been compared lately is the former is in this season's Super Bowl and the latter was in last season's.
Another reason is that both struggled to get to this point.
Otherwise, the differences between the two are more profound than the similarities.
Manning was the first overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft, and Grossman was No. 22 in 2003. The Giants traded up to get the player they liked; the Bears traded down to get the player they liked.
That right there will tell you that from the beginning, Manning was the more promising prospect even if promise isn't always an accurate barometer.
Another difference -- and this is a big one, so to speak -- is that at 6-feet-4 Manning is at least three inches taller than Grossman.
I'll stick to what I concluded early this season: A quarterback can be short or slow but not short and slow like Grossman is.
It would be nice to think Manning's development means Grossman will also develop. There's no connection, however.
Wait, maybe there is a connection, but only if Manning crashes next season.
Steve Politi wrote Monday in the Newark Star-Ledger, "(Grossman) was a wildly inconsistent starter who took the Bears to the Super Bowl last season, and early this season (he) became a wildly inconsistent backup quarterback."
What the author is saying is there's a chance Manning will regress to where he and Grossman were not long ago.
Grossman progressing to where Manning has been this month? No, sorry, I don't think so.
Think back to last year. The widespread perception was the Bears reached the Super Bowl in spite of Grossman and would lose to the Colts because of him.
This year the widespread perception is Manning's sudden maturity led the Giants to the Super Bowl and gives them a chance to beat the Patriots.
Manning did something extraordinary in these playoffs while quarterbacking the Giants to 3 victories, all on the road. Against Tampa Bay, Dallas and Green Bay -- in all sorts of climates -- Manning threw no interceptions in 85 attempts.
Now ask yourself this: Has Grossman ever thrown 85 passes without an interception, much less against playoff competition?
None of this is to say Grossman can't become a serviceable NFL quarterback and maybe even return to the Super Bowl.
Nor is it to say Manning is going to live up to his pedigree and become a terrific NFL quarterback like his father Archie and brother Peyton.
What it does say is Eli's upside is stratospheres higher than Grossman's.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Super Bowl week.
January 29, 2008
#80 jdawg said . . .Here are some fact checks:
Since Rex Grossman's return to the starting lineup the second half of the season he had 1 interception in 136 attemps. In that stretch he faced off against 3 playoff teams including the Giants. And including two games in the cold rain.
Last season when he took the Bears to the super bowl he had 1 interception in 64 attemps in the NFC playoffs. And if you recall that interception came after his pass hit old man Moose between the 8 and the 7 only to have him bounce it up in the air for a pick. Included in that stretch was a windy day at the lake front and a driving snow/rain storm in the NFC Title game.
What this article also fails to mention is the status of the supporting casts of the two teams in question or the fact that Eli has has 2 more full seasons of playing time then Grossman has. Simply put Rex has done more with the less.January 29, 2008
#81 Pissed Off said . . .starting a post on this blog about the QB is like sprinkling miracle-gro on the alphabet.
January 29, 2008
#82 DTB said . . .Mike, no thanks for that horrible article post in #78. That was the worst post you've ever had, if thats possible since you seem to break that record on a daily basis. It proved nothing except that Eli was a higher pick (who gives a fuck) and that Eli is 3 inches taller (again who cares). Why dont you do some actual on field comparisions (and you'll see its quite similar) instead of day dream shit that doesnt matter like where he was drafted, what color his wife's hair is and what his cousins major in college was? This shit doesnt matter.
Mike here's to you, quoting the principal on "Billy Madison" (most of you long-timers have seen this already) : Mr. Madison (MIKE), what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
BTW, good post AL.
January 29, 2008
#83 DTB said . . .Who in the hell brought up the idea that Eli's development gives us hope that Rex will develop? That is the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Is it me or didn't Rex beat Eli to the Superbowl? And is it just me or do Rex and Eli have the same exact numbers in leading their teams to the Superbowl? And I am sure as fuck not buying into the hype that the Giants even have a chance at winning this game. This shit is rediculous. Eli's gonna shit the bed and I'm gonna laugh my way to the bank as the Pats cover the hell out of whatever the spread is come Sunday.
January 29, 2008
#84 Megan said . . .That article is exactly why that jerk-off is writing for the Daily Herald and not the Trib or Sun-Times.
January 29, 2008
#85 Nigel 'Incubator' Jones said . . .It's turning into gasoline on a fire Jdawg.. I think Jeff is letting us run amock(sp?) for a few days.
I don't see any easier way to help ANY QB then to give him a solid o-line. He would be better able to move in the pocket, to see downfield and to possibly learn, dare I say, a shot-gun formation?
I know it's not as easy as that, but facts are facts. We have so much money, we are at a certain pick in the draft, we have to pick the best we can with what is available and look around at what might enhance our o-line in FA. Honest to goodness, what is really out there for QB's that:
1. will be competitive at camp/has experience/will be a really good fit?
2. will not cost us too much in mola/draft positions
3. is NOT Donovan McNabb..My needs are simple.
January 29, 2008
#86 Bears99 said . . .Pissed Off participating at the North Dakota Special Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMSic0V-Xww
January 29, 2008
#87 PFW said . . .When did this blog honestly become a place where we could trash each other. Let's just talk football and leave out the insults. Trying to pick out football facts out of calling each other retards and posting monty python videos is really annoying.
January 30, 2008
#88 Shady said . . ."In case there were any doubts, a somber GM Jerry Angelo made it very clear in his recent post-mortem to the local media of a very disappointing Bears season that there will be wide-open competition heading into training camp next summer at the high-profile QB and RB positions. At quarterback, the one virtual certainty is that Kyle Orton, who earned above-average marks as the team’s starting QB the last three games, will, at the very least, be the team’s No. 2 signalcaller next season after earning a legitimate shot at the starting job heading into camp. While it remains to be seen whether the Bears will re-sign free agent Rex Grossman — we hear there’s no way the team will offer him traditional starter’s money — if Grossman does indeed return, it seems very likely that backup Brian Griese, who is on the books for about $2.5 million in ’08, will be deemed expendable."
What stands out to me (Shady)?
1. It's a virtual certainty KO will be, at the very least, the #2 QB on the depth chart
2. If Grossman comes back, Griese is out.As much as I want Flacco, I realize his recent notoriety could push him out of the Bears' reach and I think it would be (*sigh*) silly to draft him at 14th overall.
There are other pressing needs (OT, RB, WR, S and LB?) that need to be addressed before the Bears draft a QB. What I think will happen (and what SHOULD happen) is the Bears trading down in the draft to acquire additional picks to help add depth to the team. Sure it's not exciting, but it what JA does; JA loves draft picks like a fat kid loves cake.
Regardless, QB play wasn't the biggest problem for the Bears in '08. In fact, I think it was 3rd or 4th on the list. Again, other positions need to be fixed before the Bears take another shot at a franchise QB. I wouldn't mind if JA waited until the 2nd day to pick one up (Flynn, Johnson, Morris etc.) while addressing more pressing issues on the first day.
Bears Gossip:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/NFC/NFC+North/Chicago/WWHI/default.htmJanuary 30, 2008
#89 Shady said . . .Megan, no woman's needs are ever simple.
January 30, 2008
#90 JB said . . .Scouting report on the '08 QB prospects:
http://profootballexperts.scout.com/2/723436.html
January 30, 2008
#91 RandomName said . . .reading a previous post from last year after Rex was benched for Griese, I immediately started the Orton/FA/Trade/Rookie bandwagon. I'm still there because:
1. I hate Griese
2. I don't think Rex will be back
3. Kyle Orton will be given a shot at the #1 job next year.Yeah, I'd love to see someone like McNabb brought in (and it appears that is a minority view here) and I'd like to see a first round pick. However, by reading some mocks, it seems that the QB's are slipping to the second and later rounds outside of Matt Ryan who will be gone well before 14. All the draft talk depends on FA obviously, but I'm willing to push back the rookie part of the conversation until we figure out the next few months. So, from now on, I will only talk about trade possibilities and Free agents I want brought in, because it's impossible to think about the draft with all this uncertainty.
January 30, 2008
#92 willie from chicago said . . .Interesting quote from Devin Hester on returning
kicks.“It’s like  it ain’t exciting no more,� Hester said after practice Thursday in Lake Forest, Ill., standing still in a warm corridor of Halas Hall. “It’s a job. It’s something that’s supposed to be done. That’s just how I take it. We’re supposed to run back kicks, we’re supposed to run back punts. I’m supposed to do that.�
wow guess being fast aint as exciting ass I thought.
Maybe he needs to race cars or something.
Full article here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/sports/football/02giants.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&oref=sloginJanuary 30, 2008
#93 Taylor said . . .lol. PO'd you fuckin raped mike there. He went on and on and on and said basically nothing. By the way Nigel, you wouldnt happen to be Mike would you, you sure type like him.
Ill tell you guys what, Rex has proven himself in BIG games, (ie Carolina in 2005 playoffs, Seattle and Saints in 2006 playoffs, Denver game, etc.) He has come up BIG without much help from anybody, and gets bashed by the media when he doesnt deserve it. Rex grew ALOT this year after his benching. Nxt year with a better O-line, more help from his WRs, a running game, and more experience, he will play like a pro bowler. Besides, did you guys look at the teams were playing next year? We dont play very good defenses like we did this year. We play St. Louis, Philly,
Tennessee, Houston, the saints, Tampa, Carolina, Atlanta, J'ville, Indy, and the NFC NORTH next year. Which of those teams can you say " we cant throw against them? The only good Defenses are Indy(maybe) Green Bay (Weve owned em) and Philly (You can throw on them). So Rex is going to have a great year next year. Plus if our Defense is somewhat healthier in the secondary, we should be a dominant team next year!Bottom Line: Stick with Rex
Bear Down
January 30, 2008
#94 Mike said . . .I read the Hester article, and although it doesn't elaborate, my guess is he is referring to the excitement he now feels about becoming a bigger part of the offense. That maybe that is where is focus is now because lets face we all expect that if u kick to hester he will bring it back. That's the expectation, it's not something new anymore.
January 30, 2008
#95 Mike said . . .Say fellas, when can we start talking about what the Bears are really going to do? Instead of all this fantasy island crapola. The Bears are going to take an offensive tackle at #14. So wouldn't more productive debate be who might be that new cornerstone offensive tackle??? Or how about who will be the new running back??? Or who will be the new wide receiver that takes the spot being vacated by Bernard Berrian?? Or the linebacker spot being vacated by Lance Briggs?
The QB position is a wildcard. I think Rex is a goner. Many of you don't. We need to wait and see what happens. If Grossman leaves then the debate can be who will be picked up via trade or free agency. Or what project QB will be drafted in the later rounds. If Grossman stays, then there really isn't any debate left at all.
January 30, 2008
#96 Mike said . . .Willie, when you have a break from tracking down all your crack hoes out on the street, then do yourself a favor a re-read the post on Rex Grossman. It was written by Mike Imrem, sports columnist for the Daily Herald. Not me. I simply cut and paste for viewership reading pleasure on this board.
January 30, 2008
#97 Mike said . . .Willie, when you have a break from tracking down all your crack hoes out on the street, then do yourself a favor and re-read the post on Rex Grossman. It was written by Mike Imrem, sports columnist for the Daily Herald. Not me. I simply cut and paste for viewership reading pleasure on this board.
January 30, 2008
#98 Bill said . . .Willie, when you have a break from tracking down all your crack hoes out on the street, then do yourself a favor and re-read the post on Rex Grossman. It was written by Mike Imrem, sports columnist for the Daily Herald. Not me. I simply cut and paste for viewership reading pleasure on this board.
January 30, 2008
Maybe I'm crazy...Garett Wolfe...he is dangerous with the ball in his hands. Play him and Hester at receiver AT THE SAME TIME! I know he's small, but throw a quick out and let him run! I'f he's not open - it may free up Hester....Imagine Hester, Berrian and Wolfe lined up 3 wide. The possibilities... am I crazy?
February 4, 2008
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