I'm not avoiding the quarterback position, folks, just saving it for later. Outside of safety, wide receiver might be the most pressing issue facing the Chicago Bears this offseason. Don't believe me? Look at the stable of horses this year.
BERNARD BERRIAN, free agent. With the Cowboys prematurely extending this past weekend's goat, Patty O'Crayton, B Squared quickly became the most coveted pass catcher on the open market. Jerry Angelo has hinted at using the franchise tag but Berrian has all but said he'd only want to return to the team if they solidify the quarterback position. Being that this is the Chicago Bears, that is certainly not happening.
MUHSIN MUHAMMAD, sucks. If Moose's name did not contain the "oo" sound, fans would be in an uproar over his complete lack of production over the last three seasons, coupled with his penchant for dropping passes in big spots. If Moose were to be released by the Bears there would certainly not be a breadline of NFL teams desperate for his services. I don't want him back but what's the alternative?
RASHIED KHALID DAVIS, free agent. Davis is a reliable possession receiver and a weapon on special teams who I'd put in the under-utilized column (with almost every other member of Ron Turner's offense). Maybe it's the poet in my heart but I'll never forget the throw-and-catch from Grossman to Rash in overtime of the 2006 Divisional round against Seattle which Joe Buck eloquently pronounced, "The biggest throw of Rex Grossman's career." I'd like him back.
MARK BRADLEY, enigma. I mention it often because I saw it live: Mark Bradley played like a top tier wideout during the Meadowlands Massacre of 2006. Against the Giants and Jets, Bradley replaced an ailing B Squared by dominating on the outside with a burst of speed shared only be Devin Hester on this team. There are a lot of questions surrounding Bradley's lack of development that has baffled the General Manager and fans alike.
MIKE HASS, unknown.
There are options, of course, though not many. (Chad Johnson is available if a team is willing to part with a second or third round pick for his services.) Here's my plan: (1) Keep Berrian. He's about to become a top flight player in this league and I'd hate to see that happen in another uniform. (2) Cut Moose and wait for a late spring cut of a veteran wideout who can catch. (3) Re-sign Davis, if only for his value on the best special teams in the NFL.
#2 RandomName said . . .Yeah Muhsin is not that good. I like the guy but he has to go.
January 16, 2008
#3 Pissed Off said . . .Chad Johnson is a no brainer for me, get him if we can.
His antics might get him fined a few times but I don't care what he does after he gets in the endzone.
January 16, 2008
#4 RandomName said . . .A post from previous thread
#53 was not me, it must've been johnny chicago or whatver. I dont mind Chad because he has never had a performance issue like a guy like Moss has (playing only when he wants to when the team is winning). Chad likes to celebrate and talk trash but he never gets in trouble off the field and never quits. He is a great player.
If we can get Chad I dont care if Berrian is gone, hell I'd prefer it. This too would help Hesters progression as a WR. Moose sucks, cut his ass, save $. Rasheid Davis....eh. Bradley....if you can come out of your shell, get off the coaches shit list and play like we know you can...you can be a #1 type guy. I said it first in the last post but Chad Johnson is available for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.....if your Angelo, you HAVE to at least make the call and see if thats true then evaluate. I give him a 2nd rounder for ocho cinco no question. If we were to get him I just hope he doesnt come here and end up being Moose reincarnated.
Johnny Douchebag stop using my name. Your a weak minded dill hole, quit crying and debate me if you want but stop stealing my name you pussy.
January 16, 2008
#5 AfroCelt said . . .Pissed Off, Dont worry we would not believe it was you, even if you said nothing.Some Jerks just live up to said description.
There's unwritten rules men of honor have.
Sticking to one name should be the least one should do.January 16, 2008
#6 Phil from SATX said . . .The whole Chad Johnson thing is interesting...something tells me he wouldn't want to come here simply because we have no set QB to get him the ball...and he wants to be on the same level as a randy moss or jerry rice. You need a Brady or Montana/Young to do that.
January 16, 2008
#7 mikebdot said . . .Some repost, some new:
Speaking of wide receivers, how the hell did Patriots get Moss for a 4th round draft pick and a 2007 cap value of $3MM? How did that happen and why didn't we get him? (likely a lot of teams' fans are asking the same question)
Chris Chambers' deal was a 2nd round pick and a cap value of $7.3MM in 2007. Chad Johnson is the same age (30 by next year) but with a better resume. But maybe that 2nd round pick plus a lot of money to Johnson gets it done. Just a caution: Bengals fans think Johnson's very up and down. Great games and disappearing games.
Personally, since Berrian and Johnson may stupidly be in the same neighborhood, I'm all for chunking Berrian and getting Johnson, who is older but a very proven top 5 receiver, instead of Berrian, who's more promise than proof. 30's not that old, and Johnson's the big physical receiver we need, right?
BTW don't you think it's stupid that Mike Hass never was played in a game at the end of the season when he could have shown everyone something, in a game that was way more real than a preseason? That was so stupid, as was not playing Beekman. I said it before, who's to say Hass isn't our Wes Welker? Yet we'll never know, at least before our offseason moves are made. Stupid stupid stupid.
January 16, 2008
#8 mikebdot said . . .Phil: Agree with you on Hass/Beekman. On chicagobears.com there are actually some people that think Beekman will make "the biggest difference" to our football team next year. Who and the hell could possibly think that after not even seeing the kid play? Shit, at least Kevin Payne appeared on the field and broke his arm. I would think Mike Hass has a better chance at coming in and making an impact.
January 16, 2008
#9 PolygonHell said . . .And, just to clarify, that "the biggest difference" should really say "the biggest difference of the '07 draft picks".
January 16, 2008
#10 PolygonHell said . . .The Pats got Moss because he was a Free Agent and willing to sign with the Pats and only the Pats fro 3Million.
Because he wanted to play on a good team with a legitimate shot at a superbowl with a great quarterback.
January 16, 2008
#11 Al in WI said . . .My previous post was incorrect, he wasn't a free agent, Oakland traded him for a 4th round pick.
But the monetary thing stands, Moss was willing to take a big paycut to play for the Pats. He wouldn't have take the same pay cut to play for a team like the Bears.
January 16, 2008
#12 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .Po'd something we disagree about! Johnson's antics are more then just his end zone celebrations, and trash talking distractions. He also spent much of the year screaming at Carson Palmer, his coach, other teammates and pouting on the sideline. Not to mention pissing and moaning in the media, and ahem, dropping some passes. He doesn't really fit the Bears organization unless you count Brian Cox.
So what I'm saying is that the Bears should take a long look at it, and only make the deal if the price is right and they answer the character questions.
Personally, I'd follow Jeff's plan especially the parts where we re-sign Berrian and cut Moose. If nothing else that will feel good.
But I also think Javon Walker would be an exellent addition that we may get for much less money and draft picks then Johnson. He also is less of a headache.January 16, 2008
#13 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .BERNARD BERRIAN
like to see him stay,There isn't any reason not to keep him.He's been in the Offense an is more valuable,Then to let him walk
MUHSIN MUHAMMAD
He came at a time when we really didn't have a true WR threat.But I think his time has come for the Bears to move on if they can retain BB,Otherwise the Bears would have to stick with him.
RASHIED KHALID DAVIS
I like him but he's taking snaps from Hester if he stays,Maybe keep him as a 4th WR to play in 4 WR sets.I felt like he wasn't a real option on 3rd down to keep the chains moving.great value as a special team player
MARK BRADLEY
Maybe Moose replacement if Moose is canned,But I wish I knew why he couldn't get more snaps this season.
MIKE HASS
jury out on this guy,I think he was a warm body to keep on the roster,I hope from all the pre season hype that this guy got upside
Brandon Rideau
HEIGHT: 6-3
WEIGHT: 200I think this is the guy to replace Moose if he is canned,Got the height maybe speed to be that Possession WR we seem to be lacking.Had the pre season hype going for him until injury happen an Hass won by default.
I would like Chad Johnson to be a Bear,but if that means giving up those type of high picks,I would rather keep them an plug other holes on this team with future long term draft pick players.
I'm sure Angelo is scanning other team rosters hoping to steal somebody back up WR LOL!
January 16, 2008
#14 jeff said . . .If we brought in Javon Walker,what would you use him at?the #1 or 2 or 3?
Here's his stat line from this season
League ranked out all WR
151stReceptions total
26
Total yard receiving
287Yard avg per catch
11.0
Yard per game
35.9total TD
4January 16, 2008
#15 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .with all due respect to javon, he was hurt all season.
January 17, 2008
#16 Megan said . . .no disrespect to Javon,But would he be your #1 or 2 or 3
that all I was asking.
I could see him as the 2I'm interested in FA Byrant Johnson from AZ,more as a Moose replacement.I don't think he has the speed to be a #1
January 17, 2008
#17 JT said . . .Not to be a fly in your ointment....
Chad is a little on the fragile side. I have seen him leave games because of cramping...frequently ( I personally would want TJ Houshmanzada (SP))
Chad is good when he's on but, he drops passes too folks. His quarterback (Palmer) might not have had the best season, but he was infinately more consistant then you know who.I like his personality, he has drive/work ethic coming out the wazzoo. I would like to see him beef up a little more and concentrate on pass patterns instead of what antics to pull for kicks after touchdowns.
January 17, 2008
#18 jeff said . . .Get Javon.
January 17, 2008
#19 said . . .javon when healthy is a bonafide number one.
January 17, 2008
#20 Al in WI said . . .PORTAGE, Wis. -- Upset that his 7-year-old son wouldn't wear a Green Bay Packers jersey during the team's playoff victory Saturday, a man restrained the boy for an hour with tape and taped the jersey onto him.
Mathew Kowald was cited for disorderly conduct in connection with the incident with his son at their home in Pardeeville,WI
smart kid!There still hope in WI
January 17, 2008
#21 mikebdot said . . .Exactly Jeff, Walker is a true #1 when healthy. To me he and Berrian would make a great tandem as 1 and 1a. And if nothing else having them both would be better then having just Chad.
January 17, 2008
#22 Al in WI said . . .Al: There is no way we could afford them both.
January 17, 2008
#23 Z said . . .MikeB, we have at least $20 mill of cap space. If they want to make it happen they can.
January 17, 2008
#24 Z said . . .Wow looking at our WR's and seeing that list of WR's in the $3.5 -$6 mil range. What is the BT doing? We need an O to go with that ST and D. At least try you guys.
Walker would most likely cost less but Chad Johnson, sure. Either way the answer is yes, even for a 2nd rounder. Proven commodity over potential all day. Draft picks bust all the time, especially with these guys picking.
Wasn't Moose pointing fingers and bitching anyway most of the year while doing very little? He is not getting it done 4 us and lots of big drops. People bitch less when they are winning and you can do whatever u want in the endzone just don't draw a penalty. I just want a WR that has the chance to do something in the endzone.
I didn't realize Davis was a RFA. He's OK. Bradley, Hass, Rideau. We should have been playing everybody we had any curiousity about towards the end of the season to see what they could do. WTF. Put some game film next to those question marks.
What about Bryant Johnson (AZ-UFA) or Andre' Davis (Texans-UFA)? Couldn't hurt.
WR Free Agents:
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=WR&y=2008
Anyone see anybody else on this list that has potential to be a good fit with us? Lots of guys that used to be OK.
Marcus Robinson, I had such high hopes for him, it seems like a decade ago. Oh well.
January 17, 2008
#25 Rancid said . . .$20 Mill?
Spend it you cheap bastards!!
January 17, 2008
#26 Phil from SATX said . . .I would like to see Moose replaced with Walker. I am not interested in Johnson. I don't hate him or anything, I just don't want him. It's a cost/distraction combination thing. I do not know the seriousness of Javon's current injury/overall injury history. As long as he would be clear this coming year I would prefer him.
Berrian is interesting. I really like the guy on the field but have been turned off by the obvious ego lately. I don't think he's top 10 in the league and I don't like his agent and I think he'll leave because he's just about the payday right now. Plus I think he honestly believes that with a good QB he could be one of the best receivers in the league and he had far too many drops this year for that. So I think he's probably gone. I do want him back but I think he's gonna be overpaid by someone and I don't want it to be us. We have just under 20 mill in cap room and it's not that much if we are going to buy another O line. They aren't cheap. Plus we may need to pay a vet QB, maybe a vet safety, maybe a vet RB, maybe a vet WR, and hopefully extend Hester. 20 mill is decent, but not totally blowable on Berrian.
I like Rash so I hope we keep him. I would be ok with a WR corps of Walker, Hester, Bradley, Davis, and Hass (we don't have any way to evaluate him).If BB stays and we replace/keep Moose I agree we probably lose Davis because he and Hester would then be fighting for looks and obviously we like Hester there better. We just don't need Davis if Hester is our 3.
January 17, 2008
#27 Phil from SATX said . . .Decatur, that's a great point about Brandon Rideau. Big size, came out of a bonafide Big 12 program, where was he this year? I'm so pissed at these guys for drafting people and not playing them. RT really screwed up the personnel rotation this year, not benching anyone but Bradley (who we could have really used), not trying any of our other players, I'm still horrified that we're keeping him when every day I hear about another offensive coordinator that was axed. But our 27th ranked offense (YPG) was good enough to keep him. Actually I think the most telling stat category was our 3rd down conversion %. In this we were 29th in the league, only 3 teams worse.
That's definitely off topic, sorry.
January 17, 2008
#28 big rob said . . .Let's talk about Rashied Davis. He looked like a real find in 2006. He was like our Dennis Gentry, key 3rd down catches when you had to have them. But where was he this year? Like all the other receivers, he had a terrible year in 2007. So where does he fit now? I'm thinking that he's expendable on offense, keep him for special teams.
That brings up another point. ALL of our WRs were pretty much terrible in 2007. Our WRs would probably say that such a definitive trend means it wasn't their fault. I still say it was, and that Berrian, Moose and Davis all underperformed this year. The QB carousel obviously didn't help, but in the case of Berrian, we're talking about drops and falling off routes, in the case of Moose we're talking about drops and not getting open, and in the case of Davis we're probably talking about not getting open. I say it's their faults, and we just happened to have 3 underperforming WRs.
BTW, the tight ends did just fine, when they were allowed to see the ball.
January 17, 2008
#29 Nutjob said . . .A couple points on BB
I love the guy... he is a burner and I would love to see him stay...
Having said that remember all the times this year when there was a possibility for a jump ball... or even needing to break up a bad throw so it wasn't picked... BB failed miserably.... It would make me sick to my stomach to see him so close to saving a pick and he lazily did nothing..... I can recall at least 4-5 times where that happened... YUCK.....
Also Phil made a point in #27 about all the recievers having a terrible year... If these guys woulda turned a couple of those drops into catches or batted down some questionable balls we might not be having this offseason debate already... remember BB dropped that wide open TD in San Diego the first game of the season.... talk about momentum killer...
These guys need a leader... they need someone who can go out there and show them how to catch the tough ball... someone to make a play... I dont think BB is ready to take on that role based on his performance this past year... he def has the potential...
I wish I had an answer for who that is.....
January 17, 2008
#30 Phil from SATX said . . .I know this is not on topic but this has to be the craziest thing.
PAcker fans SUCK!!!!
January 17, 2008
#31 jdawg said . . .Big Rob, I can't express enough how much I agree with your take. Both with respect to how reversing some of those drop failures could have pushed us into the playoffs, and as to your ultimate conclusion about BB. Time heals all wounds, but I think in this case too much time elapsed and too many wounds opened and closed since earlier in the season. You guys are forgetting the degree to which Berrian's performances in the early part of the season doomed the Bears in 2007. Touchdowns that should have been but weren't, picks that shouldn't have been but were, 1st downs to make that turned into punts. We were absolutely killing him in the first half of the season, and that was the half that did in our team.
Having a receiver who can get open means nothing if you don't catch the ball. Give me hands to catch, heart and strength to win the battle for the ball against an equally determined defender, and speed, guile and precision to run routes, IN THAT ORDER. Berrian's got the 3rd down well, first and second, not so much.
January 17, 2008
#32 Gin said . . .Haas will never be our Welker. Welker returned punts for Miami, i.e. he's quick. Haas is not quick or fast and I'm scratching my head as to how he'd get separation against NFL talent.
Davis is expendible but I wouldn't want Hester in the slot since a lot of patterns across the middle come out of there. Would you like to see him running a crossing pattern with Sanders or Roy Williams in the secondary?
Anyway, I've got a feeling Lovie's going to be feeling a little more heat from Angelo in terms of playing the players. I think we're going to see a lot more of Bradley next season, expecially if Moose is put out to pasture.
January 17, 2008
#33 Phil from SATX said . . .This CJ talk is a joke.
Have the Bears ever done anything cool like that? Come on people, keep dreaming.
Our wr's blow. BB does not deserve the money he's going to get and Moose is washed up. I don't even know what to do here. Javon might be the only answer...
You suck AngeloJanuary 17, 2008
#34 Z said . . .Read a little about Javon Walker on a Denver comment site, he's looking like a chronic knee injury problem, and he been bitching and complaining about his situation - as they put it "another prima donna WR" who hasn't earned his right in Denver to bitch.
Guess I'll pass on that one. And jdawg, re: Hass, maybe not our Wes Welker but how about our new Tom Waddle?
January 17, 2008
#35 Z said . . .Making sure the other team doesn't get that pick is a huge part of your job as WR. With a drop u get another play unless it's 3rd down. I think TO differential is the most important stat in football.
MikeB: Any chance of getting a little BB stat breakdown vs. the league. See how top 10 he is.
Leader, playmaker, someone in the clutch everyone else can depend on to bring in that tough catch, get that 1st down and break off that TD play. In desperate need. Please apply to the Bears.
January 17, 2008
#36 Phil from SATX said . . .That is why I think Johnson would be ok if we were winning. He isn't like a Owens or Moss in attitude. A bit feisty this year, but they were sucking on what should have been a pretty good team. I wish we had their offensive weapons.
Shit I wish someone would have been screaming at people for dropping balls, throwing picks, missing blocks, getting sacked for 10 and 12 yard losses and running out of bounds instead of bowling people over for more yards. I say hire Ditka as an Asst. Coach just to go off once in awhile when guys show a lack of effort or concentration.
When did football become such a wussy be nice all the time sport? Quiet and stoic is great when the pressure is on in a tough playoff game, not so much when your season is unravelling and your team's heart is being questioned. Get mad!! It's OK. Just channel it into knocking the snot out of the other guys.
January 17, 2008
#37 Pissed Off said . . .The sad and ultimately dooming fact that there was very little personal responsibility taken on our team for failures on the field was very much in evidence by Bernard Berrian, who was changing agents and voicing his belief that he deserved a top 10 contract at the very same time his mistakes were costing us games. You could say the same thing about Cedric Benson, who always had a much higher opinion of his performances than the rest of us did. And about Moose, who chimed in every time there was a QB change. I forget who wrote it, but at one point there was an article written about the point at which losing became acceptable to this team.
We know that the coaches MUST be to blame for this. We heard it first hand from the great Harry Hiestand, who repeatedly tried to claim that the failures of his oline were not their fault.
My belief is, as long as this coaching regime is in place, any personal responsibility will have to come from within the players, because it will not come from Lovie. I think the players on D have it within them. I am looking for players on O who have it. Moose, no. Berrian, no. Cedric Benson, no. We must find guys like this for WRs and RBs, who have both the talent AND the drive for excellence that will not allow them to accept anything less than success and winning.
January 17, 2008
#38 Nutjob said . . .Still Like Chad Johnson a lot more than Walker, though Walker is cheaper he's not as good as 85. He's more injury prone and he too is a whiner. He whined his way out of Green Bay cuz they wouldnt pay him enough. I do like him, dont get me wrong and I'd take him but if the choice was there I'd rather spend the dough and get 85 no question. I think it would be interesting to see him with a new team if he would scream at the coach and other players. Maybe in time but he'd be too new and not comfortable enough to do that the first year or two. Lets not forget Moose is pain in the ass with all the shit he talks too and underperforms.
News today out of Cincy is that Marvin Lewis has said he is not trading Chad. But we heard Mike Tice say he wasnt going to trade Randy Moss either.
Gin, dont you remember when we signed Moose and Wale. Moose was the best WR in the league that year we signed him. And I think Wale was the NFL leader in sacks when we signed him, maybe thought of as the best DE in the NFL at the time. So the team does make moves. They dont always pan out but still..
January 17, 2008
#39 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .All this talk about Chad is Moot for now because coach Lewis announced today that he will not be traded at all on espn!!!
January 17, 2008
#40 JT said . . .just a different look at things,I wonder if our QB(Rex) didn't look to Moose when passing.maybe he fell in love with throwing to BB on the hopes of the big play instead of gettting the 1st down an keep the chains moving.
Didn't it seen like when Griese took over, the ball started to spread ball around alot better.Well,until he start hitting the other teams DB's hands.
January 17, 2008
#41 Phil from SATX said . . .post #33 (Phil), aren't all WRs "prima donnas"? don't they all bitch about not getting the ball? sort of goes with the territory, i guess.
January 17, 2008
#42 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .Great point, PO'd. These Bears have invested big money in bigtime FAs (unlike the old Bears). What I would like them to do is not get seduced by 1 year wonders and look behind the numbers to better predict who will be a good fit. In the case of Moose, we know now that he greatly benefited from being paired with a better receiver in Steve Smith.
Wale has been unable to replicate the 15 sack year in 2003 which led to the big FA contract (although maybe he's ready to next year).
I think BB is officially in that category right now, which is why I don't want the Bears to pay him what he's going to command. Better to look at free agents who've proven themselves. Chad Johnson is one of those. I guess Javon is too but I'm too worried about his injury risk, and I think the Bears need to start paying more attention to the previous injury history of players they draft and hire through FA.
January 17, 2008
#43 Phil from SATX said . . .B Twice 2007 Season
Receptions total
71Total yard receiving
951Yard avg per catch
13.4total TD
52006 Season
Receptions total
51
Total yard receiving
775Yard avg per catch
15.4
total TD
6That's what we losing in B Twice,So the next FA or Team member on roster has to match or excced that.
January 17, 2008
#44 DTB said . . .Still only good for 20th in the league, and the number of TDs ties for 29th.
Top receiver? Hardly.
January 17, 2008
#45 Phil from SATX said . . .It's not about league value and/or rankings with B2, if that were the case we'd be locking him into a 4 mil/yr contract and watching him catch passes here until 2012. Unfortunately for us, his value to us as well as what his value in a bare market is what is going to outprice him as a Bear. Now what other tags are there out there and what do they entail. Can we put a transition tag and pay conciderably less? I dont know how that works. Any answers.
January 17, 2008
#46 DTB said . . .Transition tag is actually a good concept for Berrian, although it may not get him on the club. The transition tag involves offering the player a one year transition tag offer, which is the average of the top 10 players at the position. According to Wiki, this was $3.6MM in 2007. However, the transition-tagged player is still free to negotiate with other teams, and if they receive an offer, the tagging team may match the contract.
In this case, Berrian would probably be advised not to sign the tag offer. If he did, another team would likely make him a big offer anyway which we wouldn't match. But it still may be worth a try, and is way better than doing a one year $8MM franchise tag offer, which I still hope like hell the Bears don't do.
January 17, 2008
#47 Pissed Off said . . .Isn't there compensation with that transition tag? Or no?
January 17, 2008
#48 Z said . . .Sucks, sucks, sucks, and sucks. All our receivers suck. QBs suck too. Whole damn teams sucks. I would endorse the signing of a 3-legged goat that catches the ball with his mouth. I also endorse the signing of a one-legged punter.
January 17, 2008
#49 Z said . . .Will u let that goat into Wrigley first?
January 17, 2008
#50 DTB said . . .Transition Tag = No Compensation
7 days to match or refuse other teams' offer
January 17, 2008
#51 Phil from SATX said . . .But it does allow us to match an offer that would probably end up being more reasonable than what B2 + Drew expect, right? I think it would allow us to alienate Rosenhaus and see what a single team would be willing to pay for his services outside of us. Lowball the shit out of him with the tranny tag and see where that takes us.
January 17, 2008
#52 Z said . . .It actually would be a smart move, because it would allow us NOT to lowball him and piss him off. You put out the transition tag offer, which is for one year at (probably) $4MM this year. If he signs it, it guarantees that he will make at least that much next year. Then he can go solicit offers. Then if other teams don't end up over-offering, Bears can match.
Only one player was transition tagged in 2006, I think none in 2007. So it's rarely used, but it looks like it may make sense here.
January 17, 2008
#53 Phil from SATX said . . .If he turns down our best offer and he isn't worth $8 Mill with the franchise tag (which as desperate as we are at WR, we better not), why not put the tranny on him. I heard most NFL players get mad when you put a tranny on them.
January 17, 2008
#54 Rancid said . . .But some definitely like it.
January 17, 2008
#55 Pissed Off said . . .I am tired of players getting mad at getting tagged. It's in the collective bargaining agreement so if they want to get mad they can get pissed at their reps in the players association for agreeing to it. Getting pissed at the team and going public with it is bull. The owners make concessions to the players to get things like the tags so it's a business thing. Deal with it. I don't know much about the transition tag but it sounds like it might be a great thing to use on BB. Has it even been used anywhere since the whole Steve Hutchinson fiasco?
January 17, 2008
#56 DTB said . . .Number 47 of course not me. Some crying D-bag stole my identity AGAIN. I guess I'm pretty proud of myself for angering someone so much that they go and use my name. Weak minded individuals. These poeple clearly need to seek the help of a therapist for working out thier personal issues. Daddy didnt love em?
I just cant help but think that Berrian will be gone. Based on the comments he's made about the QB etc. He's gonna go somewhere that he can get the big money. Period. Maybe he'll look for a team with a steady QB as well. Who knows but B2 + Rosenmoney = not here in 2008. I wouldn't mind that transition tag thing. Whats the history of the transition tag? Are there any examples from the past couple of years where this has happened with WRs?
January 17, 2008
#57 jdawg said . . .Angelo!!!! Slap the tranny on 'em!
January 17, 2008
#58 DTB said . . .wow -- slap the tranny on him.
does Berrian even get a reach-around?
January 17, 2008
#59 jdawg said . . .You know the reach around will be negotiated in his next contract.
January 17, 2008
#60 big rob said . . .maybe Angelo will give him a happy ending.
January 17, 2008
#61 Z said . . .I think it's time for the next position...... Jeff??
January 17, 2008
#62 Jimmy boy said . . .Yeah sorry Jeff. I created a monster. I was bored at work and our WR's make me sad. Can we do more of the weakest positions early and get them all out of the way so it ends on our team's strengths? We do have some strengths. I am sure of it.
January 17, 2008
#63 ThunderClap said . . .Jeff. New to the site. I like it alot so far. Thought i'd give my 2 cents.
Berrian isn't staying. He's gonna get paid and go bury some other poor QB. Moose is too old, drops too many passes.
So Mark Bradley will have to step up, and i think he can be good in this league. Hester is never going to be a ligit #1 (or probably #2)... by next season at least. The bears can't count on this. Our defense is stacked to win NOW. So while i think D-Hess should get touches, we need to sign a #1, and get another posession reciever (maybe internally). I dont like Javon walker or chad johnson. Besides we dont have a QB who can get them the ball enough anyway. I like andre davis personally, he's no randy moss, but talented.
I think a WR corps of Bradley, A. Davis, R. Davis, D-Hess, and our other young prospects would be solid in the NFC north. We need a running game anyway, or this is a pointless debate.
OK this might be premature to discuss... since it doesnt involve WR directly. The question is simple, if Andre Woodson drops to 14th, do we take him? or do we pass and take an OT.
January 17, 2008
#64 Willie from Chicago said . . .Coaching staff promotions..
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=4293
January 17, 2008
#65 Willie from Chicago said . . .How come when I was talking about getting Chad (ocho cinco) Johnson a month and a half ago you guys said I was retarded and on drugs? but now its a genius idea lol. Anyway these are the recievers we should get/keep and recievers we should get rid of
Hester:
Your an idiot if u start the season without extending him to a ifetime contract.BB:
He's a Deep threat with great speed and is a great target for Rex.Moose:
Get him out of here unless he will take a MAJOR pay cut and take a 3rd recievers salerie.Ocho Cinco:
GET HIM NOW, this is a no brainer, if he is on the open market then the Bears have to get him.
Bradley:
Keep him, he is a Wr with crazy speed that only Hester is faster than on this team, he wont take much money so its a no brainer.
So if we getthe players that ive stated above then we will have Ocho cinco as the 1 WR, Hester/BB as the 2 WR, Davis at 4, and Bradley at 5, . I garentee with a new O-line and these WRs, Rex will have a pro bowl year next year, we will have one of the best group of recievers in the league.
Great Post by the way, So what do u guys think?
January 18, 2008
#66 Z said . . .As far as the Packers/ Giants game. I am rooting for the Packers to win and go to the superbowl and ill tell you why. First let me say that I HATE THE PACKERS!!!!!. Now that ive said that dont u think it will be better for the Bears in the future if the Cheese make the super bowl, Ill explain, Usually the loosing superbowl team does not do good the following year ie. the Bears this year, and if the Pack make the superbowl they will probably loose to the pats which will make them fall in 2008.
Now Brett Favre is comming down to his last few years, but if the packers win the super bowl then he will have to retire because every QB wants to go out on top ie. John Elway.
So its a win- win situation for the Bears if the Packers make the Superbowl.
Now im probably gonna take a LOT of crap for this for about a week but you guys know im right that it probably will benefit the Bears in the future.
Bear Down
Offseason 2008January 18, 2008
#67 Shady McBears Fan said . . .Johnson: Even with an inconsistant year he had 1,440 yds and 8 TD's. His #'s have been pretty sick for six straight years
Chad Johnson Career Stats:
http://fantasysports.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=2544
Walker: Basically 2 and a half good years 4 him and his coach is saying he may need microfracture surgery in the next 2-4 years. Not sure why any coach would say that, especially if they want to trade him.
Javon Walker Career Stats:
http://fantasysports.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=1741
January 18, 2008
#68 Z said . . .I think Moose gets a lot of crap from fans and I don't buy it. Is he old? Maybe. Is he overpaid? Some say so. Does he throw QBs under the bus? Yes. But he can still make a lot of plays other WRs can't. Moose still has skills the Bears can use as a #2, but not as a #1. He's also a good personality for Chicago and gives a lot back to the city. I think he just won an award for helping communities. Regardless, I think he adds much needed leadership to the offense.
To posts:
#11: No to Walker. I don't want GB's sloppy seconds.
#12: I remember Lovie and Co. being pretty high on this Rideau kid before and after the 2007 season. Should definitely be in the mix in 2008.
#28 Some good points about Berrian as a player and as a Bear.
#30 Phil. I'd take speed, hands, strength and heart, routes and then guile in THAT order.
#31 Hass is definitely not a Wes Welker. Waddle? Maybe :-) I enjoy listening to him on Bears radio. But Hass deserves some time on the field.
#35 Hiring Ditka is a great idea. Seriously.
#38 C. Johnson is NOT a Chicago Bear.
#52 I'd be mad too if I were hit by a tranny.
I think PO'd nailed it when he said BB will follow the money (#55): B2 + Rosenhaus = Not in Chicago in 2008. The only way I can see B2 coming back is if Rex Grossman stays and for whatever reason Berrian gives the Bears a hometown discount 'cause he like Rex so much. So if Berrian stays, then Moose goes and Bradley, Rash or Rideau, would probably fill his spot on the depth chart. If Berrian leaves, then Moose stays and the Bears add competition by bringing in a cheap FA or tossing a rookie into the mix. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears pick up a WR in the 1st or 2nd round who could replace or even surpass BB. Any QB on this team is at such a disadvantage because of the lack of weapons at his disposal, especially at the WR position.
January 18, 2008
#69 Z said . . .With the possibilty of losing BB, it is that much more important that we get somebody that might have a decent year in the mix.
And it could be alright beating GB with a former player of theirs. Makes them look twice as bad and those players are usually extra motivated to show the old team that they should have kept them.
January 18, 2008
I just wanted it to say 69 comments. Is that wrong.
We had the 3rd highest passing yards (gross and net[although the word gross comes to mind more often] in Bears history. Sure didn't seem like it.
Da site labeled the story the potent passing attack. I wonder if the writer had a straight face as he thought that up.
6 WR's had 200 yards. If only we could find 1 that can get 1200.
January 18, 2008
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