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1. From what this video shows and what I've read around the universe, it looks like the defense is starting to take over training camp. Not surprising, considering we don't know who is starting at any of our skill positions. Mark Anderson - according to the man who shot the above video - was playing with anger today.
2. Rex fumbled two snaps in this video. In this four and half minute video. Two snaps. Are you serious? If I have my choice between two sucky quarterbacks, I'll take the one who can execute the center-QB exchange. (I have a feeling this will be a story in tomorrow's papers).
#2 Prefontaine said . . .Wow. The o-line looked awful in that video.
At some point, Rex is going to have figure out a way to overcome his physical limitations...If that's at all possible.
July 29, 2008
#3 enderwiggin said . . .Kyle shorted a lot of balls in that footage today. Most of the balls the D made a play on where short.
Hester looked sharp on the end around and it was nice seeing him catch the ball. Who can keep up with that guy's quicks in the open field??
Did anyone else hear the guy in the third clip. It's the first Rex fumble. You can hear the guy say, "Cut him, Cut him, Cut him, Cut him"
The D did look strong today. The push upfront looked great. I assume if they were going full speed there would have been some sacks. Also, do the bears preach to knock the ball down first and pick it off second. Thought The Steltz Missle and Vasher could have both had picks but choose to knock it down instead.
Have I mentioned how great the sportsfannetwork is?? Great work guys, keep the video coming!!
July 29, 2008
#4 enderwiggin said . . .Its not even September and my face is already red with anger. Rex neess to hold on to the dang football already! No Excuses!!
July 29, 2008
#5 Taylor said . . .Its not even September and my face is already red with anger. Rex neess to hold on to the dang football already! No Excuses!!
July 29, 2008
#6 Prefontaine said . . .http://chi.scout.com/2/661085.html?refid=400
I think most people would agree that the Bears #1 need this offseason was to fix the O-line. According to this article and a couple other things I've read, they failed miserably at that task. If this is true, it won't matter who the starting QB is or how good Forte looks.
July 29, 2008
#7 jeff said . . .After watching the video, I clicked on Roy's update. He is a straight shooter man!! Roy will tell it like it is.
July 29, 2008
#8 mikebdot said . . .yeah, roy ain't bad. i'm trying to get in touch with him to bring his stuff directly here. it's nice to have a fan giving his opinions on what he sees.
as for the offensive line, tough to judge dudes. st. clair is playing left tackle currently (and is moving to guard). kreutz and williams haven't played yet.
so do you really want to judge an offensive line based on two guys?
July 29, 2008
#9 jeff said . . .Jeff: Likewise, do you really want to judge a QB on fumbled snaps from Beekman? Orton fumbled twice in those other 5 videos as well...
July 29, 2008
#10 mikebdot said . . .when it's a guy with a history of fumbling snaps in real ball games, yes.
July 29, 2008
#11 mikebdot said . . .Jeff: Fair enough, but Orton has fumbled snaps previously as well. They were not publicized as he was a rookie and wasn't the starter.
I have similar confidence in either. Which doesn't amount to much.
July 29, 2008
#12 Al In WI said . . .to clarify: wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season...anyway, you know what i mean.
July 29, 2008
#13 JWilson said . . .I think this qb battle is really going to start to get ugly now in the next week. It's clear from what I've read that there is a vocal group of fans heckleing Grossman during practice already. So the anti-Grossman forces are out already. Of course most of them aren't going to be Orton people, just anti-Rex for some season.
I have to disagree that fumbling snaps has been a "major," issue for Grossman. He had two in the Super Bowl and since the it's been the talk of the town and all anyone seems to remember about that game. BTW it was a monsoon that night.... He had one in his return from benching last season spanning 4 plus games. And as Mikeb mentioned we're not dealing with the starting center yet either.
David Haugh appeared on Chicago Tribune live today and said the battle looks dead even to him. Though he personally feels they should start Rex because he can actually make plays. I know Phil has been watching to see which way he leans. So there you go.
It also continues to look like curtains for Mark Bradley. Lloyd is running with first team and looking like the best wr on the team right now. Davis, and Hester are looking good and Booker is the solid vet. Also the rookie is showing flashes. No mention of Bradley other then he got bitched out last week.July 29, 2008
#14 jeff said . . .Has Caleb Hanie fumbled any snaps? Maybe he should be getting more reps behind center. This center, or that center. Starter or 3rd string, shouldn't matter. Last time I looked these guys were getting paid to snap the ball. Once we find the QB that can pull off the center to QB exchange we'll have our starter. Rashied Davis is looking awesome! We might just have a pretty solid WR crew.
July 29, 2008
#15 Phil from SATX said . . .we're going to have a star offense, by any means. but i think our offense could be pretty effective in the second half of the season. when it matters.
July 29, 2008
#16 Pissed Off said . . .Greatly enjoyed watching these highlights, even if they were more lowlights in Day 6. And all of our opinions must be tempered by the limitations of the videos which are providing our sole evidence of what's happening. For example, the first few reels made it look like the only plays occurring were completed passes. I'm sure that wasn't true - we were watching only highlights. You could tell only minor differences between the two QB's from that edited tape, at least in the first few days, with only interceptions of Orton as tangible reason to pick one or the other.
Repeated watchings would likely bear more evidence. I thought I saw several balls by Orton thrown behind or short of players where they had to turn around completely to make a circus catch, which they all seemed to do almost effortlessly. Again, may be a trick of the editing, but the one thing I'm seeing is it sure seems that there's been an upgrade of hands on the roster. That's a great thing, if it's real.
I certainly have to disagree about the conclusions of Bradley being out - to me HE looked like the best receiver throughout this - and there's not too much Lloyd evidence on these tapes. Speaking of not much, where's Marty Booker? A few catches in 6 camp videos? Mike Hass continues to impress - he looks better than anyone at making the sideline catch. Also haven't seen that much to support all the Rash love, except to say he looks FAST.
I have to agree with Al in WI (welcome back Al!) - fumbled snaps may be a reality with Rex, but they are far from a deal killer. Jeff hates them with a passion which can only be matched by MikeB's hatred for players that whine about contracts and QB ratings. But dropped snaps typically don't affect games the way, say, interceptions do (yeah I know Rex throws INTs too). It's usually just a botched play, a missed opportunity, in dry weather Rex just falls on it, it's like an incomplete pass except the clock moves. I think it's overblown as an issue - and it will always be an issue because Rex DOES have small hands. Once the ball's in his hands, he's pretty good with it.
What we're not seeing too much is the process of moving through primary and secondary receivers - a few times we've seen QB's hold on to the ball too long, some with made catches and some which were either intercepted, or should have been intercepted. If I had one complaint about the videos (which I don't, this is SO MUCH BETTER than what we had before (bupkes)) - I wish Roy would ID who was throwing on the defensive plays - not easy to see.
Jeff is right about the offensive line - can't judge yet. Here's the good thing - it may cause Jerry to get active and pick up that guard we need. He's probably working on it right now. The other thing is that if Williams turns out to be an injury bust WE ARE SORELY FUCKED. So hold on to your hats on that one, cross your fingers and toes, and pray if you want to. We need that dude. And he needs practice - need him out there against the Colts. Jerry's probably second guessing his decision to just think one rookie draftee is enough to fix everything.
I do think the doom and gloom suddenly arising is definitely overstated. Interesting that the D is beginning to rise up - as I was watching the first 5 last night I'm thinking "where the hell's the D?" With my son coming to the conclusion that they weren't trying very hard. So even though it sounds weak to say our offense is going against the best D, guess what? OUR OFFENSE DOES HAVE TO GO AGAINST THE BEST D IN THE LEAGUE. Probably just an issue of how hard the D is trying on any given practice. Lovie's probably telling them, "ease up guys, you're going to sap any confidence that this young new group has - I know you could take them out on any play you wanted..." What I like about the O is MATT FORTE - he looks GREAT - and Garrett Wolfe looks more than useable. Plus an ALL-HANDS WR group - if they can get open, and we can get them the ball, they're going to catch it.
So glad we have something to watch.
July 29, 2008
#17 jeremy34 said . . .I see nothing in that video that puts Kyle ahead of Rex, in fact I say Rex still has the edge based on that video. I'm still not going to blame Rex alone for all the fumbled snaps. As we've seen in previous videos and in previous seasons, all of our QBs fumble snaps, it just happened to be two by Rex in this video which may or may not have left out lots of other key highlights. Anyway the pass of the day on that video was the placement on the last pass to Hass by Rex on the very last part of the clip. Kyle had seemingly dozens of passes batted down/borken up in that video showing me he doesnt have adequate arm strength to place the ball downfield accurately to a wideout. Not a problem for Rex in these videos. He did have one pick but so did Kyle.
Glad to see Hester in the mix there. I cant wait to see how he's gonna do this year.
Here, Here Al, always great insight. Bradley was no where to be seen in this video but I thought he looked good in some of the previous videos so I'm not sure where your basing your opinion that Bradley is done. I just dont have much of an opinion on any WRs except that Booker looks unspectacular and everyone else is average.
July 29, 2008
#18 Rancid said . . .Maybe Favre goes to Tampa Bay and we can trade for Garcia????
July 29, 2008
#19 mikebdot said . . .For a guy who lives in NY, you can't put a price on these videos. It's been awesome to watch them. However, I am really wary of making a lot out of them since we aren't seeing everything, just the highlights as some have already stated.
I still like Rex as the starter but I guess I disagree with some others here concerning KO. I believe that KO looks more accurate than he has in the past from these videos. I would prefer Rex win the job, but I am feeling ok if management goes with KO for some reason. It may be their opinion that if the Oline is weak, KO is the better option since he is taller to see over rushers and more willing to check down and not force balls. Rex is definitely the better playmaker though. I prefer Rex, but I have always been frustrated by the tendency of some hardcore Rex supporters who feel the need to bash KO.
I love Fort Matte. I think we have found a star. The same defense that is making a ton of plays is the defense that he is looking so good against. If this kid stays healthy, I think the Curse of the Fridge is history!
July 29, 2008
#20 Pissed Off said . . .Phil: Just for fun (and clarity), I don't hate people whining about their contracts. What I do hate is when people whine about their contracts to the public. It's unprofessional, especially when the organization has been nothing but professional. When Urlacher whined I thought JA's response was perfect "we have to educate him on the value of his deal". That was a fucking perfect response to going public. "I didn't really think they were serious". Perfect response to Hester as I would bet serious cash that regardless of Hester's holdout, he probably received the EXACT SAME DEAL he would have had if he just showed up the first day.
You can lambast JA all you want for silly picks like Dan Bazuin or Wolfe, but the coaching staff and scouts have a lot to do with those decisions. JA has been solid on all business matters. That's just my opinion.
As for QB rating, the statistic was designed to compare a season worth of data to assess performance of a QB over a long period of time, not a single quarter of activity. Going 3 for 8 with 1 int and 0 TDs for 15 yards will earn a rating of 0. Big deal. I don't care what a QB does in 1 quarter or 1 game. Sure, a rating of 50 pretty much says the QB sucked, but a rating of 80 with two fumbled snaps and a regular fumble for a turnover and three crappy third down throws (you get the idea) doesn't tell anyone anything useful about the QB's performance. I'm just sick of the media using those numbers as some sort of gospel, especially the magical "100 rating" that means nothing significant. I would guess that teams that run the football well inflate the QB rating quite a bit because it means the chains are moving and therefore more TDs can be scored. It also means less INTs are thrown because there are less obvious passing situations (like 3rd and 8+). Also, when people like Fred Miller are on offense it affects the QB rating quite a bit due to the same situation (2nd and 20 after a hold, etc.).
Also, Ron Turner sucks.
Maybe they'll move Daniel Manning to offense too. Since Corey Graham and Bowman are studs or something.
Also, the other side of this "offense looks like crap" coin is that this could also mean the defense looks good. Last year, if you'll recall, the offense was all the rage. That could have sent some signals about the defense being crappy...just sayin'. It did appear we were blitzing an awful lot with linebackers in those videos. Anyone else notice that?
Plus, another point about the offense, we're trying all sorts of new things. We've got an entirely new receiving corps. The QB's problems could be receiving problems (running wrong routes, etc.).
You remember the time Walter Payton fumbled 10 and 11 times in back to back seasons? Shit happens people. Let's not worry too much about fumbled snaps. They're going to happen at least 3 or 4 times per year. Remember Chris Chandler? Or Jim Miller?
Speaking of which, does anyone remember when Jim Miller would call a timeout with about 10 minutes to go in the first quarter pretty much every single game? Made me want to throw up.
God am I bored or what?
July 29, 2008
#21 Pissed Off said . . .Interesting poll on da site today about who fans think will catch more balls this year Hester or Olsen and 60% say Olsen. Not sure how to take that. Do they think Hester wont be a very good WR, much like last year or do they just think Olsen is so good and will much improved?
Its no secret I'm a Rex guy (not the only one on here though) but I was reading the latest segment on chalk talk on da site and Kyles career high passing yards in a game was 230 and it took overtime to get it. Rex's is 339 in an overtime win as well but I will say that in 2006 he would have had games with a lot more than he did but he was always pulled early in the 4th when we were killing teams (ah the glory days). I think I just want to go back to those days and for that reason I want Rex to win the job. Kyle cant do what Rex can, he's probably safer but I like highlights too. I like deep bombs, high passer ratings and big celebrations after lots of TDs. But I will say that I'm firmly on board with this year being Rex's last chance to show some consistency and keep the job but everything is still a team effort. I loved what I saw from post-benching Rex and if we can have that guy back for this whole season, we're going to the playoffs.
July 29, 2008
#22 Rancid said . . .I think I've said before I'm not real big with the QB rating, I said I liked high ratings in the previous post but who doesnt, I just want to say that I realize "Just watch the Fucking Game" to get your analysis of the QB play, but a nice high rating does look cool.
What do you think of Daniel Manning strictly being a nickel guy. Thats all he's doing, no safety, no nothing...nickel back only with the 1st team.
Remember last years opener against San Diego. How freaking awesome the defense looked with Mike Brown and Dusty D? We were doing a lot of different blitzes and schemes and just something about that game was awesome defensively and the D never looked like it did again all year. Maybe it was all the different blitz looks? It was just weird, I wonder if Babich got scared cuz they lost and just switched everything up for the rest of the year but something about that D, that game was unlike any Bears D game I've ever seen with this regime. Thats why, if only for a game I want everyone healthy for opening week against Indy.
July 29, 2008
#23 mikebdot said . . .I hope our reason for starting Rex is that he shows some awesome improvements this pre-season, not just that he has a better statistical record than KO. I hope our reason for eventually selecting Rex as the starter (which I hope we do) is that he's a great QB, not the fact that he's better than Orton. If the only reason he gets the start is that he's has better stats than KO in the past, we're fucked.
July 29, 2008
#24 Rancid said . . .By the way, Orton and Grossman are not the only ones fumbling snaps:
Can we please put an end to the Nick Hill era as soon as possible? Yes, a team needs four quarterbacks in training camp these days with all the throwing that's required during positional drills, but Hill has no business being on an NFL roster and can't make the throws necessary of a professional signal-caller. He can't even take the snap from center consistently, putting another one on the ground Sunday. It's hard to remember how many fumbled exchanges he had during OTAs at Halas Hall, so he's not improving. While Caleb Hanie hasn't exactly been sensational himself, you can at least tell that he has a pretty good arm and moves around in the pocket just fine – perhaps can develop into a quality backup one day. ( http://www.webwaymonsters.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=33510 - not sure where they pulled that info)
July 29, 2008
#25 jdawg said . . .jeff - I really like the guy doing commentary on "sportsfansnetwork". Surely DaBearsBlog would be a better forum than just YouTube. Let's get this guy!
July 29, 2008
#26 Phil from SATX said . . .that quote was lifted off Scout.com. Crist has been saying that for some time.
He's also saying that the O looks dreadful. Man, I hope Williams gets in there soon because Metcalf is getting man-handled by Toenia, who may not even make the team.
Its one thing for the O-line to look crappy against our first-team D-line, but I'm shocked they're looking so bad against the 2nd unit.
Also, the Giants sign Olivea and he admits to being hooked on pain killers when he was with SD. Now watch him turn into a stud.
July 29, 2008
#27 mikebdot said . . .Hey MikeB, you know I was just teasing. I should have added Rancid's eternal loathing of Ron Turner, and PO'd's disgust of flipfloppers and fair weather fans, and Midway's hatred of old #4. They're all part of the lore around here, and you are too.
PO'd, you bring up a good point about Rex - I had done some research back in the Rex v. Kyle debate thread, when I was talking about the dreaded QB ratings, and had noticed that Kyle has had no high-yardage games - back then I was trying to make the point that when Rex achieves his QB ratings, he does it with no help from the stats - meaning he makes lots of throws on his way to those stats. (I recognize this is somewhat circular reasoning because much of the way you get a high rating is by completing passes, but my point was Rex earns his completions, not just a bunch of short stuff).
Management will have a very interesting decision - a move to Kyle really signifies lack of confidence in the whole offense - that could happen this year, with the BT deciding their best chance at a SB this year being staying out of trouble. That's the biggest reason why I will be disappointed if they go to Kyle - it just means they're giving up on O. My firm belief is they won't do that unless Rex forces them to.
You know who else looks good throughout those tapes? Brandon Rideau. He's a big receiver - I wonder if he has any shot of cracking the rotation.
July 29, 2008
#28 mikebdot said . . .Phil: Thing about Rideau is, Hass looks just as impressive. Know why? They're playing the scrubs...
Want to guess again at the 6 receivers we'll carry (I'm assuming 6, just because)
1. Hester
2. Booker
3. Davis
4. Bradley
5. Bennett
6. Monk?My guess is Bradley will come in for Hester since they're talking about giving Hester 30-35 snaps per game. So, Bradley will get 20 or so as will Davis. Or, none of that will happen and Olsen/Clark will be the rest of the snaps Hester will miss. Which is fine with me as well.
I just hope we see a few consistent packages with many plays rather than many packages with few plays each. Ideally, I'd really like to see the following:
Hester + Wolfe + Olsen in backfield as "FB" + Forte + Davis in slot. Olsen and Forte would do serious damage in that formation. I would much rather have Wolfe play the role of Hester last season, as a decoy/gimmick since he'll have fresh legs and can run deep or do fake end-arounds. God forbid we be creative AND conserve Hester for kicks.
July 29, 2008
#29 jdawg said . . .Shit, I forgot about lloyd.
Hmmm. That sucks. Insert Lloyd at 4 I guess.
July 29, 2008
#30 jeff said . . .Monk has not looked that good. Practice squad material.
July 29, 2008
#31 jeff said . . .rancid, i'm trying! he's got something about him that's a little hypnotic.
July 29, 2008
#32 Phil from SATX said . . .you know what's amazing about training camp? the bears plays kansas city a week from thursday.
July 29, 2008
#33 mikebdot said . . .Very exciting article by Brad Biggs about the different ways the tight ends and specifically Greg O can be used.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1079033,CST-SPT-bear29.article
That's on top of another Trib article talking about moving Hester around so to keep D's guessing.
I think we have a lot of speed per position relative to the opposition plus everyone can catch (including Mattay - ditto to whoever commented on his smoothness in catching the ball - he'll be real threat in that, and so should Garrett). So many options that one hopes that we can keep D's guessing so that our primary receiver (who will always be different guys in different places) becomes the guy we throw to, rather than having to rely on the progression.
It strikes me that that's a backwards way of "dumbing down" the offense, or at least making it less risky given our QBs. Complicating it through moving players around and having many obvious targets actually simplifies it if the QB can go to his first target with good probability of completion.
Does this make any sense?
July 29, 2008
#34 jeff said . . .Phil: Well, there is always a "primary" receiver. Or an option at least. Sometimes the whole play verges on progressing through the reads in a specific order to keep the safety/linebacker to one side of the field, etc. But I don't think we need to do anything of the sort. If you can't run an NFL offense with the personnel you have, get new fucking personnel.
July 29, 2008
#35 Luke said . . .i think we're sleeping on the potential of this offense. olsen and hester are specific and interesting talents. neither is going to be easily covered with a standard corner/safety because their speed dictates special attention. if these guys become the focal points (fat chance with a ronny t offense) - pressure shifts back to the quarterback.
July 29, 2008
#36 Rancid said . . .Here's a thought....just go with me here. If Kellen Davis continues to look good catching the ball and does well in the preseason.....trade Clark and a draft pick for.....Boldin.
Last comment aside, if the Bears use the corps they have well we could be a very surprising team to naysayers this year. The year of the ridiculous tight ends...YES!!! If safties have to keep covering Olsen and Clark all year, Hester will be one on one with someone not nearly as fast as him quite often.Forte with a side of Kevin Jones...I like that too. and Garrett Wolfe as our little Reggie Bush slot guy.
6 receivers to keep:
Hester - Although I see Hester becoming a #1 receiver in his career, I think that'll start next year. This year will be his preparation.Lloyd - Depending on what he can do during the preseason, I think he might be the safest choice for a #1 this year. Hopefully he lays off the weed and catches some fucking footballs.
Bennett - I think he might turn into something great. Let's throw him in the slot a little and see what he does with it.
Davis - Our primary slot receiver this year, but perhaps he might work his way up to even #1. We'll see. I've always liked him. It seems he always does something when the balls thrown his way
Booker - I don't know about Booker. I wanna see him out there but I just think his age might make him a liability. We'll see. But I certainly like the fella.
Bradley - Bradley's like the Mike Brown of the offense without the security blanket of being a complete badass. If he can stay healthy I think he might do decent, but don't get too excited
July 29, 2008
#37 jeff said . . .I loathe the fact that an offense with this much potential (yet also this much need for guidance) is under the control of Ron how the hell did I not lose my job Turner. There are some really special guys with special talents on this team that need to be used wisely, and as big an optimist as I am when it comes to Bears football, I struggle to see Ron pulling it off. My optimism is that we will win in spite of RT, not because of him. The really negative part is that if we do well this year, the bastard can't get fired. Damn, I don't understand how he dodged the bullet after last year. There were points last season where I can honestly say I'd be in prison now if I had been within arms reach of the man. The man is my biggest concern moving into the 08 season.
July 29, 2008
#38 Tenacious D said . . .you'd need to trade clark and a second round, if not two.
July 29, 2008
#39 mikebdot said . . .Was at camp Sat & Sun. Observations:
-Hester is a rock star.
When he first came out on the field on Friday and Saturday, the crowd went ape shit. Everywhere he went the media and crowd followed. He has supplanted Urlacher as the most sought after autograph, and the most popular player on the team.-The defense was dominant.
Tough to tell whether the defense was that good or the offense that bad. Probably somewhere in between. But our D sure looks good, like it did in 2006.- Robbie Gould was the MVP.
Robbie banged home a 57 yarder in one practice. I saw him kick about 30 field goals from all distances in 2 days, and he only missed one. We'll need every point we can get this year.- The defense is blitzing more.
In the scrimmages, we were blitzing on nearly every play from different spots.....lb's, safeties, corners. This is great practice for the offense since that is what they will see in the regular season.- The offense is using the shotgun alot.
Kyle and Rex both used the shotgun extensively. Beekman seemed to be struggling with short snaps at times though. Hopefully Olin will be better at it when he returns.- Rex won the 2 practices I saw.
Orton sucked both days and was passing the ball all over the place....short, long, wide. Rex had a few bad balls, but also made some real nice throws. Neither was outstanding.-O-line was getting manhandled.
If we have to go into the regular season with this line, we are in serious trouble. We need Olin and Chris asap. I'm also worried about our depth. We had some guy named Cody Balogh playing on the 2nd team line. Yikes.
July 29, 2008
#40 wayne said . . .Anyone else not concerned about the INTs in practice? I mean, they've thrown over 20 passes per day for 6 days now, right? So, presumably that's 120+ passes total? How many INTs have been thrown by each? 4 or 5? Less? That's not really that terrible. Especially with rookies in the mix and the O-line trying to figure everything out. 1 INT by each QB isn't much to be concerned about. Just seems like last year everyone was throwing INTs in practice. And we were STILL high on them...now perhaps we're being overly critical? The only thing that will fix that is victories. With scores of 41-6...or 23-0...
July 29, 2008
#41 jeff said . . .Nice footage! That Orton to Hester combo looks sharp! Watch out Rex.
July 29, 2008
#42 Pissed Off said . . .thanks tenacious. good to have first-hand opinions. i certainly hope that shotgun becomes an integral part of the offense, specifically if rex is there. it eliminates the snap issue and gives him far better vision.
July 29, 2008
#43 mikebdot said . . .I too have reached out to Roy at sports fans network via youtube commentary to become a blogger here. He replied to my first comments so I assume I'll hear back from him.
Jeff if we get him are you cool with posting his vids/commentary on here during training camp?
Mike Im not concerned with the INTs at this point anyway. They are both trying to get acclimated to tons of different WRs and how they run routes etc. The timing is not going to be there yet. I think the fact that they are rotating with the 1st and 2nd team actually hurts them a little, no chance to get a rapport with the wideouts on a consistent basis.
July 29, 2008
#44 Anytime said . . .PO'd: Agreed. Damn, twice in a week I think. Good times. :) You know it's only cuz we were losing. If we were winning, all smiles.
July 29, 2008
#45 mikebdot said . . .How do we go from John Shoop to Ron Turner, who sucked last time he was with the bears, and then fucked up at UofI. Why can we not get an offensive coordinator that doesn't look like he is picking plays like someone that is playing madden for the first time?????
July 29, 2008
#46 jeff said . . .Hands team..."Near" formation...no, goalline at the 50 yard line, yeah...off tackle to the worst right side of the line in football...yeah, that's the ticket
That's too funny to think about.
July 29, 2008
#47 Anytime said . . .haugh reporting that the bears cut nick hill from southern illinois. caleb hanie has got that third quarterback spot in his pocket.
olin kreutz is suited up.
July 29, 2008
#48 max said . . .Do you think that Turner just goes to the ask madden plays?
July 29, 2008
#49 jeff said . . .. . . I freakin love training camp.
July 29, 2008
#50 jdawg said . . .it's just great to be surfing the net again, looking for info. max, when's that asshole brother of yours coming back from africa?
July 29, 2008
#51 Al in WI said . . .good Thayer interview:
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=4922
July 29, 2008
#52 Prefontaine said . . .Thanks Po'd and Phil. I've just been on the road a lot with the new job....
Anyway, last I looked Rex had 3 fumbles in camp so far and Orton has 2. So I remain unconcerned.
In further review of the camp videos I also noted that most of the defensive highlights and break ups were happening with Orton in the game. I do think he has the arm strength to be a NFL qb but I don't think he has the accuracy and that is why he is such an adventure throwing down field. Also according to Roy he has become "check down Charlie," all camp. No thanks.
My big negative opinion on Bradley stems from a couple of things. In 2006 I emailed John Mullin about why it was taking Bradley 6 weeks to recover from a ankle sprain that wasn't thought serious. Mullin told me that the coaching staff was really pissed about that fact as well and chalked it up to laziness. So combining that with the fact that is always injured and spent last week getting bitched out has me thinking his number is up. And of course the fact that Lloyd looks great and has actually played well in the league has me thinking this move is coming.
Here is how I view the WR group right now: 1. Lloyd, 2. Booker, 3. Hester, 4.Davis, 5. Bennett, 6. Hass.July 29, 2008
#53 Prefontaine said . . .AL - I respectfully disagree. My opinion would be
1. Davis 2. Lloyd 3. Hester 4. Bennett 5. Booker 6. HaasBut hey thats just me.
July 30, 2008
#54 Shady said . . .Al - I disagree with your assessment, and I understand that I don't know anything more than anyone else. I would say...
1. Davis 2. Lloyd 3. Hester 4. Bennett 5. Haas 6.Booker
July 30, 2008
The dreaded double post. kinda.
July 30, 2008
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