FREE MR. ROY
Listen - and I can't prove I was responsible - but I apologize to Roy over at sportsfansnetwork if I'm at all responsible for his videos being taken off YouTube. I know members of the Chicago press are aware of us and I was simply trying to get valuable material directly to the fans who crave it. However, Roy, if you contact me I'll put the videos up directly on this site and do battle with anyone who tries to take them down. (Literally everyone I know is a lawyer.)
As for the decision to shut down Roy's videos, it's disgraceful on the part of whomever might be responsible. God forbid the actual sports fan be rewarded for caring about the day-to-day camp life of his ball club. No, I say we cater the entire National Football League to fantasy football players.
DEPTH AT CORNERBACK?
My buddy David Haugh in the Trib has cornerback Corey Graham as one of the top performers at camp thus far. If that's true, the Bears can clearly cut ties with Ricky Manning Jr. and - with Tru McBride - should enter 2008 with terrific depth at the position. (Great Jerry Azumah mention at the tail end of that article.)
TWO THOUGHTS ON FAVRE
1. The Packers offering him 20 millions dollars to stay retired for the next 10 years is one of the most ridiculous things to ever happen in the world of sports. Who the fuck do the Packers think they are? Isn't this what the mafia does? They're from Wisconsin, for Christ sake. Relax.
2. Reports out of Green Bay are that the Pack will now consider trading Brett within the division as a last resort. Not going to lie. As this story has progressed I've somehow turned pro-Favre and the Packers have revealed themselves to be the shallow, classless, despicable organization I always believed them to be. I wouldn't like rooting for #4 but I'd love to see the faces in Lambeau when he ran out of the tunnel in navy and burnt. Vaughn in the Trib says Favre wouldn't mind that either.
WHY I LOVE MARTY BOOKER
"Knock on wood, but I haven't had any serious injuries or surgeries," [Booker] said. "When I do retire, I know I'm going to be a fat [guy] sitting on the couch."
#2 Rancid said . . .Is it illegal to shoot the video, or just to post it on the net? Because if its about other teams watching, then it is the shooting itself that should be the problem. I don't think this is likely because the camera angle doesn't appear that the video is being sneakily recorded and also I saw no one from the Pats staff in the video. So I still think its bullshit. They're not making any money off it so we can't have it. If we want unbiased straight information we should just go to Da Site and read Mayer. I'm in a pissed mood right now because we have no videos and then I went and read the damn RT "state of the offense" bullshit article.
The worst question: "With Devin Hester’s role expanding, do you feel like a kid with a new toy when it comes to devising ways to utilize him?"
My version of RTs response: "Actually no, you see last year I had no fucking clue how to use him and screwed it up and wasted him all season. So this year, I'm going to pretend he's nothing special, we'll just use my regular shitty offense from last year and treat the most exciting player in the league like he's Muhsin fucking Muhammed. He'll probably catch some balls. Whatever, even if I'm a total piece of shit I don't get fired anyway, so it could work. Next question?"
July 31, 2008
#3 big rob said . . .Oh, and I still think the Packers AND Favre are completely classless assholes. So I still don't even want to think about the jackass playing here.
My dream scenario is that he plays for the Vikings and beats the hell out of the pack in week one. During that same game Rodgers goes down to a season ending injury. After that he can quarterback below averagely with Berrian dropping his passes until week seven when 54 and company end his career with a head dislocating sack. I've always imagined it with the bloody jersey being green and gold, but a switch to purple is a minor change in the fantasy. Honestly, can anyone tell me thats not a better scenario than that bastard playing for us?
July 31, 2008
#4 mikebdot said . . .bravo rancid bravo!!
July 31, 2008
#5 jeff said . . ."Marty Booker will turn 38 on Thursday" I love hearing stories about camaraderie.
Also, heard Barton took over at RT for Tait for a bit (just giving him a rest). Still, taking reps with 1st team can't hurt...
July 31, 2008
#6 HesterFan23 said . . .listening to a live interview with urlacher on dan patrick's radio show. it's tremendous. i'll get it here as quickly as i can.
July 31, 2008
#7 ben in norcal said . . .I read something a few weeks ago about the NFL only allowing 90 seconds of interview and it can only be posted on a site for 48 hours.
I'm not sure if it was just interview or all NFL related video like this...
July 31, 2008
#8 jeff said . . .What the fuck! I get on youtube because Roy had temporarily changed my life and they took his fucking videos away! For once I really thought there was a god and meaning to life but now its back to my simple and pathetically un-informed existence. We need that kind of coverage to bridge us over to the season, Biggsy's 'twitters' arent cutting it for me. That guy Roy seemed like a badass. But its good to say hello to you guys and might I add, ITS ALMOST TIME FOR SOME FUCKING FOOTBALL!! GO BEARS!!
July 31, 2008
#9 Anytime said . . .i've reached out to roy several times. he can put his videos up here and they can threaten me all they want.
July 31, 2008
#10 Pissed Off said . . .Rancid,
I share your complete sentiment on both of your rants. My they all burn slowly in the pits of hell.
Do we still have any possible access to the old videos that we once had that brought meaning and purpose into my life until they ripped away more violently than will be Tim Dounaghy's anal virginity
July 31, 2008
#11 jeff said . . .Favre in Navy and Burnt, I just threw up a little.
July 31, 2008
#12 said . . .urlacher completely blew off the question of favre on the bears, but not in terms of the rivalry. he just didn't see it happening.
couple highlights:
he said that hester would beat him in a 100 yard dash by 15 yards.
he said that alex brown needs the defensive calls repeated like four times.
he defended cedric benson's desire to play football - though it wasn't selling the jury.
he said the last book he read was by The Rock and it was about seven years ago.
July 31, 2008
#13 RandomName said . . .Posts #'s 1 and 2 made my morning. Good shiz. The question is, Rancid, who do you hate more... Ron Turner or Brett Farve??
July 31, 2008
#14 animal said . . .Anyone got the day 7 video?
it's the only one i missed.July 31, 2008
#15 PolygonHell said . . .The video thing is such bullshit. Roy, if you read, we love you man.
Jeff I'm ok with saying goodbye to Manning Jr., but Tru McBride? No fucking way. Guy should be a cult hero among us for his performance last year in the wake of injuries in the secondary. Played SOLID and was a 7th rounder thrust into the starting lineup.
Rancid your Favre/Vikes/Pack scenario made my day. Im headed off to go camping with my son in Fairbanks. 5 hour drive. Ill have images of this dancing in my head to entertain me.
July 31, 2008
#16 Anytime said . . .I assume someone just did the, mark Roy's videos as copyright violation thing at you tube.
It's rediculously easy to get you tube to pull anything and getting the videos back up is a pain in the ass.
Assuming the Bears don't ban video taping by individuals at camp, I can't see there being any legal grounds for this. Hopefully Roy can get the videos hosted elsewhere, either here or somewhere else.
July 31, 2008
#17 jeff said . . .Jeff,
What do you think about going to camp to find Good Ol' Roy and getting him to put his videos up here? Just put it on your dabearsblog.com credit card. Make it a business trip.July 31, 2008
#18 Anytime said . . .go re-read that sentence...wasn't proposing the cutting of tru mcbride.
i'd go to bourbonnais right now. it's just a long way from brooklyn.
July 31, 2008
#19 Rancid said . . .FUCK THIS SHIT!
The Green Bay Packers, unable so far to trade Brett Favre and facing his arrival at training camp, are reportedly considering taking a step they desperately wanted to avoid: dealing him to a division rival.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, citing a source close to the situation, on Wednesday reported the Packers were considering seeking a deal with one of their rivals, most likely the Minnesota Vikings or Chicago Bears, if all else fails.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3512348
July 31, 2008
#20 Brian from WI said . . .You want to give me a headache? Put me in a room with RT, Favre, and a gun with one bullet.
In the end, I know I hate RT worse. Whatever damage Favre has caused the Bears is over. So his only real current crime is being a complete lame ass, and there's plenty of those around. But RT is an internal cancer on the organization, as well as he is the man who could ruin our chances not just this year, but every year after until he gets fired (whatever it would take for that to happen) I firmly believe that Da Bears will have a great season, but it will be in spite of RT, not because of him.
July 31, 2008
#21 Luke said . . .I still love the Bears fan's hatred for Favre. I don't hate any former Bears quarterback - there was never one good enough to hate. Bears quarterbacks are kind of like Canada, just sort a' up there not doin' much.
July 31, 2008
#22 jeff said . . .From the sound of his latest video, he seemed to be getting pressure from camp officials, and said that he didn't know if they'd let him back in. He also said that HE removed the videos and would explain more later.
July 31, 2008
#23 Rob C said . . .EVERYONE WATCH THIS VIDEO.
roy is my hero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpVk5dDq0CA
August 1, 2008
#24 said . . .Ron Turner doesn't sound that interested in obtaining Favre in this article, not a surprise. He's a loser.
How many people in the league are disciples of Ron Turner's offensive system?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1084708,bearfavre073108.articleAugust 1, 2008
#25 Shady said . . .Of course he doesn't SOUND like he's interested in Favre! Can you imagine the response and controversy it would create?
Don't be fooled by a coaches words, you often have to read between the lines with coaches and managers. There is little doubt in my mind that Ron Turner would want a QB like Favre piloting his (predictable) offense. The fact is, discussing a move like that would not only create more distractions, but it would drive up the price for a commodity like #4... and I'm not talkin' about Maynard.
August 1, 2008
#26 Rancid said . . .Urlacher youtube magic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFG4J9vSqOg&NR=1
August 1, 2008
#27 Crown Their Ass said . . .Hey, if we at least get Roy's commentary, I can survive. You Da Man Roy!
August 1, 2008
#28 Phil from SATX said . . .I fuckin love Wale. I used to think he was an overpaid pre-madonna, but he is loving camp right now, has a great attitude, and just wants to win. Wale will have a big year, just like the one he had on the Dolphins before we signed him.
August 1, 2008
#29 Bears fan in CT said . . .MVP of the camp so far?
None other than
ROY!
They're going to make a movie about this guy before it's over!
I love you ROY!
(hope Roy doesn't get scared about all this man love - it's about the BEARS baby!)
Keep it coming man!
August 1, 2008
#30 Bears fan in CT said . . .Rancid you are hilarious. Fuck you tube there are more copyright infringments on their than fleas in Vick's basement.
I can't stand the image of that tracktor riding, heartburn having, bumkin bastard in the navy and burnt orange, I don't care how bad it makes the fudge-trackers feel.
I'd rather he go to minny-slack-and-bust, that way we can beat both of there assess this year.
August 1, 2008
#31 Pissed Off said . . .Rancid is in rare form. I had not read all of the postings. I agree, I agree, and I couldn't agree more.
August 1, 2008
#32 Pissed Off said . . .Great vid again by Roy, I'm anxiously awaiting the explanatory video he says is coming about the behind the scenes nonsense. He better not have any trouble getting into watch camp, we need his commentary at a bare minimum and would prefer the highlights too.
Glad to hear Rex is pulling away on this QB battle. It appears "checkdown Charlie" doesnt have the confidence or arm to get it done. Those things have never been an issue for Rex and sometimes to his fault he is a bit overconfident and tries to fire balls in when there is no play to be made. That said I didnt see as much of that last year from him after his benching as I did in say 2006 so he going the right way. I think its going to be a great year as long as everything is clicking. I had a dream last night that Kyle won the starting QB job (how fucking crazy is it that I dream about Bears shit) and I woke up pissed off thinking "here we go another shitty season." Almost kicked my dog but I then realized it was just a dream and now I've cooled down, especially after watching Roys video.
August 1, 2008
#33 Smitty said . . .You know I just checked both Chicago papers and I'm getting so sick of the Favre news. All the players and coaches are saying the right things about it never happening and they dont even know where this shit is coming from and he wont be a bear but I gotta think where are these reporters getting this shit? Are they just making it up or have pack been talking to the Bears about this. Was it one phone call and the bears said no? It is ongoing? I just want the straight shit.
August 1, 2008
#34 mikebdot said . . .Seems like another late round defensive draft pick is gonna be a solid pro. Corey Graham. This is almost comical how much of a difference there is between identifying and drafting offensive and defensive talent.
August 1, 2008
#35 said . . .Smitty: To be fair, we DID draft Berrian. Olsen. Bradley has been hurt.
I don't know, I think we have the talent, we just don't have the system. Ron Turner is one of my least favorite people.
Plus, Forte is promising, Bennett as well, Kellen Davis, holy crap, what a beast. I'm genuinely excited about the skill positions. Obviously, QB is still the same old question, but there literally was no other choice the past few seasons with Grossman's continued injuries and the record that Orton put up even with awful numbers.
We've averaged over 10 wins the past 3 seasons. Personally, I'm ok with that. We're in the discussion. We have the most electrifying player in the league in Hester.
I'm still optimistic. Can't wait til next week...
August 1, 2008
#36 Pissed Off said . . .Roy. keep up the good work buddy. I like the detailed reports. Its nice to hear a fans prospective without a bunch of Lovie/RT bullshit lies and garbage.
Glad to hear rex is slightly ahead. If you read the various media sources, they are conflicting. I just wish rex would step up and blow the thing wide open. he has WAY more natural ability, he just needs to be consistent. He's had the better part of 2 healthy seasons to get it together, time to step up.
I wont be able to sit through a season of run, run, screen, punt. Kyle Orton is not the answer. I would rather lose turning the ball over and being aggressive on O than lose because we can't put a drive together and kick field goals every time we are across the 50.
Lets get back to the days of "our goal is to put 21 pts on the board. if we do that we will win alot of games."
GO bears.
August 1, 2008
#37 Jimbo said . . .WOW, well said #35, I agree 100%, you should claim that post with your screenname, people might think it was me.
August 1, 2008
#38 Jimbo said . . .#35 = Jimbo. I'm with you rancid, i'm pulling for rex big time.
August 1, 2008
#39 Al In WI said . . .Oops i meant PO'ed. Shit. I'll get this right one of these days. I'm hung over today.
August 1, 2008
#40 Shady said . . .Wow, Jimbo well said. Couldn't agree more.
What I don't understand is the media coverage of this battle. From the vids I have seen it has looked anything but close between Rex and Kyle.
Anyway, I continue to feel that Booker will be the top wr for this team for at least the first half of the season. He's a solid vet and you know what you're getting there. He doesn't have to wow anyone on the practice field to establish that.August 1, 2008
#41 Shady said . . .Good shit from Roy about Dez:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5KSlQB4O50
August 1, 2008
#42 Roy said . . .I wonder if the Bears will employ the "hurry up" offense this year, seemed to work last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEAT3UneRNE
August 1, 2008
#43 People shouldn't kick their dogs said . . .I am the chosen one.
August 2, 2008
#44 Nobody's perfect said . . .Really. It's not nice.
August 2, 2008
#45 Megan said . . .As far as Favre:
1. The Packers are telling one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game, who is coming off an almost-MVP season, that he can sit the bench or take 20 million to stay retired. This is asinine, arrogant, football-stupid, riddiculous. How could anyone take the Packers' side in this? Nobody's Perfect - Favre put them in a bad situation with his crying retirement and unretirement. Favre is kind of an idiot for doing that. But once he does that, how can you not at the very least give a hall of famer a chance to earn the starting position?2. I'm a true blue Bears fan just like the rest of you but I've never hated Favre. There are two kinds of rivals, the ones who are classless and vile, don't show the game respect and deserve their loathing. And the second kind: the kind of guy who plays hard, loves the game, slaps your helmet after a good play, the kind of rival you'd go out and get a drink with after a game, the guy you hate because he's not on your team. That guy is Favre and that guy I could fully accept on the Bears. In a heartbeat.
He's a Grabowski. If you think about it, you'll have to admit it. He'd be a good fit for the Bears.
August 2, 2008
#46 DTB said . . .I just don't know what to say? Roy, your evals of day 8 were incredible-where ever you are!
I love the fact that he was giving us those highlights of camp but...
Who's watching besides fans? I did worry about that, I have to admit.
The first time I heard that his vids were pulled, I immediately thought it was the big-bad NFL. I just have nothing nice to say about how it is run as a business.
They remind me of Disney by trying to get as much money from fans as possible.Anyway Jeff, I have a new Bear-boyfriend-you've been replaced!
Roy! Where are you m'love!?!?
August 2, 2008
#47 jdawg said . . .At least we won't have to see Peanut worked over again. Steve Smith, suspended for Bears @ Carolina...
August 2, 2008
#48 DTB said . . .it wasn't peanut that caused that.
August 2, 2008
#49 jdawg said . . .Which game are we talking about?
Was it the regular season game? Tillman was torched for about 170 and it wasn't his fault? I recall sacking Delhomme 7 times in that game so it couldn't have been the pass rush. It wasn't Vasher, he picked Delhomme 2 times in the first half so they stayed away from him. Maybe it was the LB's not getting a 40 yard drop to help prevent those deep balls.
Or was it the playoff game? He was torched again for well over 150 but this time he was unable to keep Smith from scoring. Possibly we can blame Chris Harris for preventing Tillman from intercepting that ball inside our 5. One way or another they both got out wrestled for the ball that Tillman had in his hands. Maybe we can blame the groundskeeper for that game. Grass was too high, caused him to trip on a straight 9 route. Or maybe he had sloppy ass footwork that caused him to fall. I dont know.
Keep in mind I am a huge Peanut fan, but one thing we know is he cant handle WR's with quicks and speed. Plax, check. Moss, check. He's owned both of them in the past. Those are big targets with less speed than Smith. Also know that the first Bears jersey I bought with my own money was #33, two weeks after he snatched that ball from Moss' hands in the south endzone to seal the game.
Point is Carolina's best player is out for the Bears game. That bodes well for Tillman and the Bears.
August 2, 2008
#50 DTB said . . .I was referring to the playoff game.
The backbreaker was the TD toss down the left side with the 3rd string safety in there.
August 2, 2008
#51 Al In WI said . . .So, Tillman got burnt 8-10 times in two games. And when he left the game his replacement got smoked. No difference in my mind. And it was a corner that replaced him. Chris Thompson.
August 2, 2008
#52 jdawg said . . .Couple of thoughts:
Roy seems to think Rex has clearly been the best qb between the two at camp so far. Several media people seem to insist it's Orton. Roy even mentioned a possible campaign going out there for Orton to get the nod. I don't know if it's that it as much as the group think that seems to take hold amongst media types.
Either way I'm bothered by it, if we believe Roy then Orton has thrown more picks, fumbled more snaps, and been sacked more than Grossman. Grossman has also thrown more td's and big boy passes this camp than Kyle. That shouldn't be subjective to chart that.
In other news word out of Tampa is the Griese has sunk to 3rd on the depth chart and could be facing his release. Can't say I'm suprised.August 2, 2008
#53 animal said . . .All I'm saying is I don't blame peanut for that loss. If I remember correctly, there were no adjustments made by Rivera/Lovie.
Anyway, I can't see Lovie being swayed by the media as to who will be the starting QB. They will be measured in the preseason games.
August 2, 2008
#54 DTB said . . .Jdawg is right, lack of adjustment killed us in that game. Lovie stuck with cover 2 and watch Steve Smith repeated torch it. Never put Vasher, our smaller/faster corner on Smith, or even bothered to double him.
August 3, 2008
#55 jdawg said . . .jdawg and animal,
Though your points are valid there comes a point to where individual responsibility within the called defense can ultimately detirmine the success or faliure of the call. You and I have seen time and time again in the cover 2 that our corners chuck and run with the reciever they are lined up against. If a corner fails to do either, I couldn't care less what coverage is called. They are going to get burned. That comes down to personal responisbility of the assignment. In many ways Peanut is responsible to cover until he gets help, if no help comes it is still on him to make plays and in these two cases he did not.
This conversation is interesting to me solely because this is one of those crutches that we Bears fans use all too often. This one in particular is rediculous. The Cover 2. We dont run the base D all the time. In fact I would dare to say that we run cover 2 about half the time. So when most fans see a corner get smoked they inacurately point to the cover 2. Not always the case. If we are talking adjustments then the cover two is in fact the best way to stop the deep ball. The intent and purpose of that defense is to funnel all action to the middle of the field in front of the D. If we see someone getting beat deep it is either a lack of execution on the players behalf or they were not in cover 2 at all.
August 3, 2008
#56 DTB said . . .phew--
well, if my memory serves me correctly M Brown blew his calf back out on that first play and was sidelined the rest of the game.
I never said it was because we were running the cover 2 D. I said no adjustments were made. Call me crazy, but I don't think it was wise to single cover Smith all day with Peanut. I guess you can say that was Peanut's fault, but that's kind of like splitting McKie out wide and getting pissed that he's not beating the secondary on go routes.
August 3, 2008
#57 Phillip from NYC said . . .JDAWG - I lumped you and animal together to consolidate my response. Nonetheless, Brownie did leave the game shortly after the first bomb to Smith and he probably would have helped, assignment wise throughout the rest. He would have been there to help out Chris Thompson. He also probably wouldn't have blown that coverage that let Reggie Wayne stroll into the endzone during XLI. I guess we can come to an agreement on Mike Brown's health being a huge priority moving forward. Here's to a full season from #30!
August 3, 2008
#58 Idonije said . . .Erm, so, slow Sunday newsday?
"It is not clear whether Favre's reinstatement indicates that he has rejected a long-term, multimillion-dollar marketing agreement offered by the team. Reinstatement could force the Packers to increase their offer to Favre in hopes that he remains retired and avoids turning their training camp into a media circus this week."
Well, anything to mess up their practice is good, I guess.
August 3, 2008
#59 animal said . . .According to Roy's video another pick by Bowman, he sounds like a real playmaker on the defense.
August 3, 2008
#60 Shady said . . .maybe no Harrison and/or Manning in week 1. No Steve Smith in week 2.... It would sure be nice to play these teams without their biggest stars. No matter how we do it, starting 2-0 would against those teams would be huge.
We would then have two games at home, Tampa and the Eagles. Tampa is a winnable game for sure, and while the Eagles are very good, we did beat them last year with a weaker team.
After that, two VERY winnable games- Detroit and Atlanta. Yes I know we lost to the Lions twice, but that was a huge anomaly. We should crush Atlanta.
SO going into the big showdown with Minny, could we acutally be 5-1? 4-2?? Considering the schedule and circumstances, I don't think 4-2 is unrealistic.
August 4, 2008
#61 Idonije said . . .Whether or not we have Chris Williams as our starting LT for games 1 and 2 is becoming a bigger concern with every practice Williams misses. Hopefully he's a player who is good enough to come in and start with little practice, but that might be asking a lot out of a rookie. If he's not starting Sunday night in early September, the Bears (and whoever is QBing) could be in for some serious trouble against Mr. Freeny.
August 4, 2008
#62 Idonije said . . .No S. Smith and Harrison or Manning would be fantastic news for the bears. If C. Williams is not starting week 1 vs. the colts then I would assume we could see Tait back on the left side and a lot of Clark staying in to help.
August 4, 2008
#63 Z said . . .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79J6UNH5OFM
Roy's latest video...
August 4, 2008
#64 Phil from SATX said . . .Oh yeah I remember that Carolina playoff game. Yes. As a player you have to find a way to step up and get it done.
As coaches, when the entire world knows that almost every play is going to one player over and over, maybe you should double team him with anyone else. God that sucked getting burned again and again. How much of their Offense was he?
Then with Chris Thompson in to cover Steve fucking Smith one on one after he's been burning Peanut like that all day, hmmm, no double coverage. Stupid.
The Lovie Smith regime's biggest failing has been the inability to adjust in game to what isn't working.
Hopefully with a healthy D, Babich can make up for RT's simplistic idiocy.
Why don't we try getting of the bus getting 1st downs. Anyway we can.
August 4, 2008
#65 Pissed Off said . . .There were two big games when Lovie/Rivera failed at this - both in the playoffs. Both games had defensive coaching errors in not adjusting, so that goes on them. However, it could be argued that only in the first one did it cost them the game. Against the Panthers, Steve Smith was the single big weapon for them, and failing to shut him down with effective double teams cost them the game.
In the Super Bowl, against Peyton Manning, you'd be hard pressed to say that the only difference in that game was not changing up the D. Although I'm convinced that Rivera made a bad mistake in allowing Manning to nickel and dime us all game long, Manning is a great QB and had many weapons - simply changing up would have far from guaranteed us a win. Offense wasn't getting much done in that game.
So maybe it's a little bit of an overstatement to say Lovie's biggest failure is in not adjusting in games. I'd say his biggest failure is in completely losing control of the team in 2007, and in showing utter lack of leadership in difficult times.
Let's hope 2008 is a different story, and that Lovie has learned from last year.
Favre back to the Pack is good news for the Bears, if he sticks. We play pretty good against him, don't we?
August 4, 2008
#66 Pissed Off said . . .So did our boy Roy just not have reports/highlights then for day 9 and 10?
August 4, 2008
#67 Pissed Off said . . .I went to the Bear Report website as Roy suggested in his latest video and apparently Rex was heavily booed on Family night at Soldier Field. Yet I check these little polls on newspapers websites and other fansites and even on here and it always seems that more than 50% of the people in any given survey favor Rex. And again I thought he did very well considering the circumstances last year after his benching and yet there is this group that doesnt want to give him a chance.
I'm going to say it but most of those people are going to be FWFs. No question in my mind, they just know the basics and that its easy to hate him so they do, that said there are also plenty of intelligent objective hardcore fans who prefer Kyle, and thats fine, they have their valid reasons and point but the majority is FWFs. The backup is always the most popular guy in town when its funny cuz he's the backup so he's probably worse then the #1. IMO you should root for the #1 to do well cuz generally if you have to go to the #2 because of poor performance by the starter....your generally fucked.
My point is that I want Rex to kick some ass, but if he just left town no matter how good or bad he was I cant blame him, some people are assholes, he took us to a superbowl and the last stint he played for the Bears, he played really well....I dont get it. If he has a probowl type season and just flips off Chicago and leaves next year....I'll still root for the guy and wish him well with his next team.... I certainly couldnt blame him.
August 4, 2008
#68 big rob said . . .I wanted us to draft him and I know no one cares but Colt Brennan looked awesome last night for the skins. 9 of 10 for 123 yards and 2 TDs, he can rifle the ball in there....like someone else I know.
Saw the highlights on youtube...very nice. Damn I'd still like to have him behind Rex.August 4, 2008
#69 jeremy34 said . . .PO'ed I agree Colt Brennan was throwing some pretty balls last night.... Was a 6th rounder easily could have been a Bear.
August 4, 2008
#70 shonbear said . . .No Steve Smith means our chances of winning are a lot better, like doubled.
Anyone else willing to go find Chris Williams and just let him know that if he needs anything just ask, as long as he can get healthy and start some training. Come on Chris, get well soon.
August 4, 2008
#71 shonbear said . . .PO'd, I am so glad you said what you did. I was listening to 670 the score about the last hour or so and he talked all about the family night booing thing. I was thinking that Rex could have an awesome year and give a big fuck off to the fucking naysayers. It's true that everybody should want the best guy, it's ok to root for Kyle or Rex, but the whole booing him shit is ridiculous. Even on the radio these guys make statements that he has been our QB for 5 years, but why aren't they prefacing it with the fact that he was a rookie and injured. Let's not forget that first injury he took putting his body on the line to make a touchdown.
Why are Bears fans so quick to forget how long it's been since we had a QB take us to the Superbowl. Sure if we had the defense that we have had the last few years (except last years infury riddled year) I can think of several QB's that would have taken us there or even won our last Superbowl possibly. I just can't get over that in watching this team for the last 25 years that these FWF's don't know a good thing when they have it.
These teams we've fielded for the last several years have been the best since the 80's. We've had t he best talent through out the whole team defensively, offensively and special teams wise than the eighties.
Those FWF's are really pissing me off. I just hope that if Rex gets past it does well and shows them all along with the media fuckers that he doesn't think that we all thing that way.
I think it reminds me of politics, people who really don't know what's going on are rooting for or against a guy based on the slant of whatever is said good or bad about them, but they are too lazy to really do any reasearch on their own, be objective and form a real opinion that isn't manipulated on them through whatever source.
I can't see Rex staying here. Let's say this year he is great. He will have a payday somewhere waiting. The Bears won't pay him, and if they will he will want a fresh start on some team that maybe he can be a number two and shock the world because most teams go through QB's just because of injuries much less poor play. The other thing is that if Ron Turner finally gets the boot, wil be having to learn another offense again, he surely doesn't want to do that and stay here for the unwaranted Bearfan abuse.
To Max, yea spent 6 years in Hawaii (USN), season ticket holder for the UH Warriors, got to see pretty much every Colt Brennan home game. Yes he is awesome, yes we should have taken him. Anybody remember a guy similar to him that played for another team that Hawaii has a big rivalry with? Not Boise, but BYU, yes Jim McMahon at BYU ended up being amazing because of the type of offense he was in it helped him develop into a good NFL passer. Colt Brennan is a lot like him, time will tell, don't think he's on the best team for that right now, but maybe injuries will happen and you will see more of him. I like what John Madden was saying. It should always be a competition. These guys should never get anything handed to them. Let them beat eachother out. They should put Colt up with the 2's see how he does, then the 1's and see how he does. Unless he does some more of that stuff, he will be a three, or be put on the practice squad because NFL coaches don't have faith in UH QB's. Brings to mind that I'm wondering what will happen to Ryan Grice Mullen who was one of Colt's primary targets.
Anyway, not in Hawaii now, hope to move back in a year or two, still hold the season tix, but hard to use in Japan. Hang at the Shack in Kailua and watch some football, eat some breakfast and start drinking some beers.
Fucking Fans! Get it together and start supporting a quarterback without complaint for the loser of the competition. I stick with my long time ago statement, our history shows that we will be seeing more than one QB, just based on injuries anyways, so hopefully this competition is just making them both better and hopefully if it happens, it won't be serious/season ending types of injuries. God willing it won't happen, but we'll see right?
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August 4, 2008
#72 shonbear said . . .PO'd, I am so glad you said what you did. I was listening to 670 the score about the last hour or so and he talked all about the family night booing thing. I was thinking that Rex could have an awesome year and give a big fuck off to the fucking naysayers. It's true that everybody should want the best guy, it's ok to root for Kyle or Rex, but the whole booing him shit is ridiculous. Even on the radio these guys make statements that he has been our QB for 5 years, but why aren't they prefacing it with the fact that he was a rookie and injured. Let's not forget that first injury he took putting his body on the line to make a touchdown.
Why are Bears fans so quick to forget how long it's been since we had a QB take us to the Superbowl. Sure if we had the defense that we have had the last few years (except last years infury riddled year) I can think of several QB's that would have taken us there or even won our last Superbowl possibly. I just can't get over that in watching this team for the last 25 years that these FWF's don't know a good thing when they have it.
These teams we've fielded for the last several years have been the best since the 80's. We've had t he best talent through out the whole team defensively, offensively and special teams wise than the eighties.
Those FWF's are really pissing me off. I just hope that if Rex gets past it does well and shows them all along with the media fuckers that he doesn't think that we all thing that way.
I think it reminds me of politics, people who really don't know what's going on are rooting for or against a guy based on the slant of whatever is said good or bad about them, but they are too lazy to really do any reasearch on their own, be objective and form a real opinion that isn't manipulated on them through whatever source.
I can't see Rex staying here. Let's say this year he is great. He will have a payday somewhere waiting. The Bears won't pay him, and if they will he will want a fresh start on some team that maybe he can be a number two and shock the world because most teams go through QB's just because of injuries much less poor play. The other thing is that if Ron Turner finally gets the boot, wil be having to learn another offense again, he surely doesn't want to do that and stay here for the unwaranted Bearfan abuse.
To Max, yea spent 6 years in Hawaii (USN), season ticket holder for the UH Warriors, got to see pretty much every Colt Brennan home game. Yes he is awesome, yes we should have taken him. Anybody remember a guy similar to him that played for another team that Hawaii has a big rivalry with? Not Boise, but BYU, yes Jim McMahon at BYU ended up being amazing because of the type of offense he was in it helped him develop into a good NFL passer. Colt Brennan is a lot like him, time will tell, don't think he's on the best team for that right now, but maybe injuries will happen and you will see more of him. I like what John Madden was saying. It should always be a competition. These guys should never get anything handed to them. Let them beat eachother out. They should put Colt up with the 2's see how he does, then the 1's and see how he does. Unless he does some more of that stuff, he will be a three, or be put on the practice squad because NFL coaches don't have faith in UH QB's. Brings to mind that I'm wondering what will happen to Ryan Grice Mullen who was one of Colt's primary targets.
Anyway, not in Hawaii now, hope to move back in a year or two, still hold the season tix, but hard to use in Japan. Hang at the Shack in Kailua and watch some football, eat some breakfast and start drinking some beers.
Fucking Fans! Get it together and start supporting a quarterback without complaint for the loser of the competition. I stick with my long time ago statement, our history shows that we will be seeing more than one QB, just based on injuries anyways, so hopefully this competition is just making them both better and hopefully if it happens, it won't be serious/season ending types of injuries. God willing it won't happen, but we'll see right?
Less than a week we will see a preseason game (on the political vein again, it will be like a debate) and the polls will sway one way or the other for the guy who looks like a leader and drives the team dwon the field for touchdowns. 2 touchdowns and 128 yards like Brennan did would be fine for a start, especially against a number one defense unlike the number 3 defense he likely faced.
August 4, 2008
#73 shonbear said . . .(this is what got cut off, I know you were all waiting with baited breath because I was so thought provoking, or is that confusing, probably the latter.. Thanks for listening anyways...
Less than a week we will see a preseason game (on the political vein again, it will be like a debate) and the polls will sway one way or the other for the guy who looks like a leader and drives the team dwon the field for touchdowns. 2 touchdowns and 128 yards like Brennan did would be fine for a start, especially against a number one defense unlike the number 3 defense he likely faced.
August 4, 2008
#74 Z said . . .These double fucking posts arent my fault, my computer keeps freezing and when I refresh, it's not showing up, then ok, sorry anyway. Jeff isn't it time to start another thread, you got me spoiled with last weeks daily update what's up?
August 4, 2008
#75 jeremy34 said . . .I was also grouping RT's inability to utilize our weapons better on O and adjust to what isn't working in games there too. I meant Lovie and all coaches under him.
But yes there was a definite deer in head lights thing going on when times got tough last year. Lots of bullshit being spewed towards us in press conferences. Excuse instead of results and we still weren't that far away. Hopefully that won't be necessary this season.
Is Terry Glenn at 80% still worth having on a team? Brown, Bentley, sign em. Man I hope Griese isn't the QB cut from Tampa.
Bears addict needs fix of information!!!!
August 4, 2008
#76 Z said . . .So you can send emails for JAngelo to read, so naturally I wrote and asked how he keeps Lovie Smith from wanting to use all our early picks on defensive lineman.
JA can draft some defensive studs, and then Lovie can coach em.
Next year's draft, I say we draft two quarterbacks and two offensive linemen with our first four picks...assuming running backs and wrs do fine.
August 4, 2008
#77 Bears99 said . . .And every true Bears fan should cheer for every Bears player to be successful and perform well all the time. TEAM! Especially with all the injuries in the NFL, we need as many good players as we can get. Always. How do you boo at practice? Losers.
It's just too bad there isn't an open Offensive Coordinator competition before the season starts.
August 4, 2008
#78 Pissed Off said . . .I swear to god the questions that they answer are ones they make up. any one sick of seeing the same question with a different players name ineserted?
August 4, 2008
#79 Oaktown34luv said . . .Great Rant shonbear, agree totally on the rex thing and the Colt thing. How can we let Rex know that the non FWFs around here support him and want him as our QB? Its just amazing how fucking ridiculous some "fans" are. Maybe we can all send emails to writers at the local rags or direct letters to the bears. Do the bears have a fan mail address? Has it come to this? I have legitimate sympathy for a rich NFL player? Well, rich is debatable I guess, especially for a guy who never complained about money and just finished his rookie contract.
Phil, chime in on this.
August 4, 2008
#80 shonbear said . . .IMO the reason Bears fans boo Rex so much is because of Lovie saying "Rex is our Quarterback" a million times over the last 2 years. If there had been an open competition for QB and Rex had won it, then he would be supported by the fans even when he made mistakes. But the BT's stupid decision to 'hand the job' to Rex, and then push the BS line "Rex is our quarterback" down Bears fans throats, cost Rex any chance to be forgiven for his occasional mental mistakes. When they BS'd the Bears Fans, the Bears Fans couldn't wait for Rex to fail so they could let the BT know that they were only BS'ing themselves.
All that being said, Rex has to totally and completely out play Orton at QB to get the job now. If the QB play is anywhere near a toss up this pre-season, the job should be given to Orton. If Rex isn't head-and-shoulders above Orton by now, (Rex's 30+ starts vs Orton's 17 starts), then Orton is likely the better QB.
Whoever starts should be ferociously supported regardless. GO BEARS!
August 4, 2008
#81 Pissed Off said . . .it's true, RT ought to be having some competition. A real fan knows that he should be boo'd when they go three and out over and over (dropping passes as a caveot). As was said before, the coaches need to be boo'd when they don't make proper adjustments to games.
Anybody want to venture a list of Bears QB's in the last 25 years that would have been more successful than Rex and Kyle with our awesome D and ST? I have a lot of names in my mind, but want to see what you think. If we could travel in the past through our QB's who would you choose?
(Cade McNown, Rick Mirer and Slash need not apply to be added to that list)
???
August 4, 2008
#82 Jimbo said . . .Oaktown I dont think I can agree with your assessment. You think that when Rex runs onto the field the fans in the back of their mind think "gee we are booing him because of that damn Lovie sticking by him." Why would the fans boo Rex when it was Lovie's choice to go with him. They will boo whoever they want. If Kyle is in there, or Grieseball was in and they make bad plays, they'll boo them. I've said it before but sadly a lot of fans at Bears games are FWFs, corporate high-ups, rich guys, celebs, etc. people who know jack shit about football or the bears and just know its trendy to boo the starter. Not all the hardcore, knowledgable fans go to games. Price I assume is an issue as well as availabiltiy and also value (sitting 456 rows up and spending hundreds in one day instead of front row in your living room for free, not to mention the hassle to and from the game). It just pisses me off. Its not like the guy hasnt tried and I'll still go with the fact that the last stint he played, he was damn good and lets give it another go. I think the benching cleared his head and he knows he has to work hard to keep the job.
August 4, 2008
#83 Pissed Off said . . .Benching Rex last year was in order to "win now" with Gresie. In retrospect, it was a bad decision. The guy has played 1 full season at QB (and we went to the super bowl). He gave our offense a spark the likes of which no chicago bears team has seen since 85.
He needs to be given the oppertunity to mature. He is going to have some growing pains. The giants left Manning in though all the booing and media bullshit... guess what... he got better. In Farve's first several seasons he struggled too (the guy has the world record for INT's dont forget)... but the natural ability was there, and he grew into the league.
Rex has the stuff. Last year's team was decimated by injury to the D (see cowboys game) so every mistake rex made was magnified. Add to that the droped balls, shit run game, and no O-line... shit Tom Brady would have looked padestrian.
The bears pulled the plug on rex too early. I would have prefered to finish 7-9 with Rex learning, instead of watching noodle arm underthrow 10-yard "bombs." If orton had the game to be a starter in this league, we wouldn't have pulled him in favor of Rex at the end of 2005, he would have started after gresie turned out to suck, and we would have let rex go in the offseason.
You gotta take the good with the bad. If the D is healthy, Rex will have alot of wiggle room to learn. Orton is a lifetime backup. Period. He's a known quantity. I could understand booing if we had someone on the bench who's a question mark... but thats not Orton. The biggest hope we have is that rex steps up, he the only ligit option.
August 4, 2008
#84 Oaktown34luv said . . .Fuckin' A!!
August 4, 2008
#85 Z said . . .PO'd, you could be right about Bear's fans not thinking about Lovie when they boo Rex. All I know is when I get frustrated with Rex, I am really frustrated with Lovie and JA for not having a fair competition for the QB spot. When we had a fair competition, (like starting Griese for a few games in 2007), then I knew Rex was a better QB than Griese. We need to do the same thing with Orton. If Orton stinks it up, then we go with Rex. But right now NO ONE knows who is better Orton or Rex (hence the 1 yr contract extensions for both). All we know is Rex has the better arm.
Why is that 3 full years after Orton was drafted we still don't know if he is better than Rex? It's because Lovie and JA didn't want to find out!!! They were so heavily invested in Rex (1st rd. pick, poor track record with high draft picks, SB window closing) that they couldn't risk him failing. So there was no training camp competition at QB and they came up with that BS line "rex is our quarterback" and acted like everyone else was stupid for questioning Rex's talents over Orton's.
I was happy too when Rex replaced Orton back in 2005, Orton was an over matched rookie. Then at the start of 2006 I was super happy with Rex. But he started to fall. Then he fell off big time. And instead of putting Orton or Griese in the game and letting Rex gather himself for a game or 2, what did we get,... "Rex is our quarterback" and another loss with a less than 50 QB rating by Rex. STUPID STUPID STUPID!
What if Rex had responded to a benching in 2006 like he did to the the benching in 2007? We would have won the SB!! It's not Rex's fault that Lovie and JA put him in this bad position. But the fact is he in that position now. And the only way he can get out of it is to beat out Orton and prove he is the best QB!!
August 4, 2008
#86 Z said . . .Right on Jimbo
August 4, 2008
#87 Jimbo said . . .Although it would be nice to not have to play the QB trivia mystery game every season, that is not to be our fate. Come on Rex shut us all up on this topic this season. You don't have to be great. Just consistent man.
Consistent= SB
August 4, 2008
#88 Oaktown34luv said . . .Rex didnt lose the superbowl. The entire bears team did. He played poorly, sure. So did Benson when he turned the ball over. So did the D when they got shredded in the second half. Blown assignments in the secondary, no tommie, no mike brown. the team that showed up in the superbowl wasn't the one that was crushing teams by 21-28 points in the first half of the season.
I understand your points regarding the precieved "handing of the job" to rex. I choose to think management saw alot of potential in the kid, and decided it was worth the risk to develop him at the cost of letting orton rot on the bench (they did get 10 games in 2005 to gauge his celing in terms of talent).
Rex needs to learn to step up in the pocket, check down sometimes, and not force EVERYTHING (oh and get that whole snap thing down). But give the guy more than one second to throw, a running game that forces the other team to stack the box, and a few sure handed guys to catch the ball...
Also, do we really want a coaching staff that doesnt back its players when they are struggling??
Until this team Drafts/signs someone better i am putting my faith/hope in rex as being the Bears best talent at QB, because he has the most ability. I dont believe KO is going to "manage" this offense to a superbowl... or a NFC north title. If he wins the job, and I'm proven wrong, i'll be stoked and happily admit i was wrong... but he sure as hell isnt gonna be throwing lazers to a wide open devin hester streaking down the field.
August 4, 2008
#89 The Pack is Back said . . .In the NFL you can measure a player's ability by his contract extention. The Bears' front office only pays for what they think a player can do. Given that Rex and Orton got about the same contract extentions, the Bears front office is saying that Rex and Orton have about the same ability. So Jimbo might be right, Orton is a career backup, but then so is Rex, because he got the same extention that Orton got. And if there was any KNOWN difference between the two, the contracts would have reflected that.
August 4, 2008
#90 Jimbo said . . .Good thing Favre is back, hey?
August 4, 2008
#91 Oaktown34luv said . . .yeah. now i can pencil the bears down for 2 more wins this year.
August 5, 2008
#92 Shady said . . .I am mad as hell!! The Bears have lost their identity. We are the MONSTERS OF THE MIDWAY for cryin out loud!! We got that name for playing smash mouth football and kickin the other teams ass. Even if we the final score wasn't in our favor, I sometimes felt like we won because we laid the wood to the other team. I remember a little scat back on the Redskins being a thorn in our side until the Fridge fell on him and he got up asking to be taken out of the game. Doug Plank made an art form out of being horizontal when he dived into the pile to prevent extra yardage from being gained. Dan Hampton... puh-leeze! He would grab the whole back field and then throw out guys until he found the one with the ball and planted his ass into the ground. Wilbur Marshall, Mongo, Dent, Singletary. Damn we hit hard!! Even Payton was into clocking MF's. How many times did he get the best of the tackler? I'd say at least 60-70% of the time. Back in the 70's and 80's I remember tracking good teams that 'out scored' us to get the win, and seeing how they faired the week after they played us. A lot of times that good team lost the next week because they were so beaten up by the Bears.
To play smash mouth you need to own the trenches. You need big bad D lineman that scare the shit out of the other team's QB so he doesn't execute. And you need O-lineman that pancake the other teams tacklers so our running back can do serious damage to their secondary. While our current D-line is fine when healthy, it's still a little small for my tastes. But I can live with with the D-line because to a man they are winners and because we have a superior set of line-backers and a tremendous secondary. This "D" still requires a little too much coordination for my liking, I liked the jail break '45' D better, but this "D" as a unit has proven itself over and over so I have no problems with it.
But this O-line situation is totally and completely unacceptable!!! That JA didn't upgrade the OL with a proven FA pickup OR TWO is a travesty!!. It would have been very expensive, and maybe we would have been in salary cap hell, but NOTHING is worse than going into another season with a bad OL. We are THE BEARS!!! The Monsters Of the Midway!! That's what we do, we kick ass in the trenches and then our less than stellar offense can have it's way with you because you are scared of us.
Someone needs to remind JA and Lovie of who the Bears are.
August 5, 2008
#93 Idonije said . . .Nice little QB convo going on here.
I like what you're saying Oaktown, I completely agree with you on #79 especially. Sometimes this organization cuts it's nose off to spite it's face. It's not easy to root for a guy like Rex Grossman sometimes, but you don't boo the guy for goodness sakes. And the neglecting of the offensive line after last year? Unacceptable. If there was one area where the Bears HAD to improve, it was the line. Hopefully this Williams kid can come in and start, Tait holds up on the right side, Kruetz and Garza hold up and St. Clair plays a solid LG, perhaps platooning with a motivated Metcalf. That's best case scenario, ugh. not exactly setting this offense up for success. If the Bears are hoping to run the ball this year, they better hope the kid Forte and Kevin Jones surprise some people.
As most of you know, I can't stand when people use the phrase "he took us to the Super Bowl" when talking about Grossman. The fact is the QB gets too much credit and too much of the blame. But there no doubt in my no doubt in your mind that the defense and special teams "took" the Bears to the Super Bowl in 2006. Sure Rex had his good games, but with only a good to average defense and special teams - Grossman doesn't "take" his team anywhere CLOSE to the Super Bowl. And Shon, you can't tell Bears fans to root for the starter, everyone knows the backup is the most popular guy in town -shit look at what it did for Griese last year.... GRIESE! Remember, this is Chicago, there is going to be controversy unless we pickup or draft sure thing.
Personally, I think Orton deserves to start this year. I think he's earned it as much as Rex has lost it. Jimbo, don't tell me Rex hasn't been given the opportunity, if anybody deserves an opportunity to start it's Orton. And the Super Bowl? The defense was shredded because the offense couldn't stay on the field. Shonbear, you said that more than likely we'll see the "other" QB at some point in the season, so if Orton starts then I guess we'll see a "ResurRextion" at some point later in the season. I'd rather see a transition into Rex than a transition into Orton. The QB who should start is the QB who has the least turnovers in order to spare the defensive unit, the same unit which is going to "take" the team back
to the promised land.O.K. there is a 60mph storm outside right now in Chicago. Holy shit. GO BEARS!
August 5, 2008
#94 Decatur Staleys # 7 said . . .Nice little article about Hester impressing at camp, and probably earning a starting WR job this year.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=225462&src=148
August 5, 2008
#95 shonbear said . . .Well the Forte era begins Thur against the KC.He's 1st on the depth charts this week.
An Metcalf is already having his knees drained.
An #1 pick Williams is still not practicing.
August 5, 2008
#96 enderwiggin said . . .Who has Reuben's phone number.
Um yea about that, you know the release thing, yea uh would you like to come back and see how things shape up, I think we may have made a mistake...
Shady, geeze, anyway how about this food for thought? One nice thing that Kyle and Rex have given us is this.
1. When we had a QB that could start 16 games without an injury we went to the playoffs. Rex in 2006.
2. When we had a QB that could start 16 games we go to the playoffs. Even though Kyle was benched for the new and now healthy guy that year we scored with the coined phrase "if anybody told me we would score 21 points on offense, I would have never guessed we'd lose" (maybe not an exact quote).
Almost any Superbowl team winner or loser has a QB that has stayed there pretty much all season. Sure Defense and Special teams got us there, but Rex had a lot to do with it too. They set him up and between him, Clark, Jones, Moose, Berrian, Davis and even Benson the offense spiked it home with the Superbowl right within our grasp.
I still can't get over the long wait for a QB over the years, it seems to me Rex is doing fine, subtract some of his inconsistency (he's more consistent than inconsitent in a positive way).
He has only started less than two seasons.
My favorite point was the Eli Manning point. I'm convinced that Rex is better than Eli, but I'm content to wait out the "competition" and support whoever it is. I just think that those first two away games are vital to the rest of the season. Whichever QB gives us a better chance to win those is the guy who needs to start.
Let the hitting and real pressure begin on Thursday.
August 5, 2008
#97 Pissed Off said . . .Heres a question.. Whats the deal with tillman? personal problems? Divorce? death? not good whatever it is
August 5, 2008
#98 jeremy34 said . . ."In the NFL you can measure a player's ability by his contract extention." WHAT!
Oaktown I think we need to define "better." You say its unknown at this point who is better. What do you mean by better, more ability, a stronger arm, better decisions, better team guy, better locker room guy, better scrambler.....I dont know but I do know theres a reason that Lovie and Co. went blindly with Rex all the time rather than Orton. (He's better...whatever that means and they know this from seeing him in practice etc. is my guess not because they had a high draft pick invested) Maybe they think Kyle has grown up and gotten better and thats the reason for the competition or just maybe its so the fans shut up when Rex is under center week #1.
You need to remember that back in 2006 Rex did fall off but he generally followed up a bad game with a good one and he took us to the superbowl playing very well in the playoffs leading up to the SB so NO ONE can blame them for "rex is our quarterback" in 2006, thats my take. And he played so damn good in september he earned his keep for the rest of the year....and we went to the SB anyway!! He really couldnt have been any better in the playoffs so when would you exactly have wanted him to get benched for a couple of games? Please tell me? After the Arizona game...when? I just dont get your take there since we went to the SB (with him playing well in the playoffs) and it wasnt just him who lost the SB game BTW.
August 5, 2008
#99 jeremy34 said . . .I will take Grossman at qb...for this year, I will not boo him like others, it's not like good/great quarterbacks grow on trees, and I hope like hell he does as well as he did at times two years ago, but the thing is he is probably on his way out after this year, he's got talent, but he's too short and immobile, throws off his back foot too much, and makes some bad decisions too often. Then again, I've seen nothing but sub-par qb play since I can remember with the Bears. He's not as bad as what the media and everyone else says (I live outside Chicago and defend him constantly) but is just an easy target for probably some stupid reasons for stupid fans. My point, lets not act like he will be a qb after this year, I don't care if he's only played two full seasons, it's because he's not good enough and he gets injured often.
Would there be anything better than Hester being an elite receiver??
So is there anywhere I can see this game outside of Chicago? I live in St. Louis where they kind of have a football team and kind of are football fans.
August 5, 2008
#100 mikebdot said . . .Is there any reason our D can't be as good as it was two years ago?
August 5, 2008
#101 mikebdot said . . .enderwiggin: Tillman's daughter has some medical issues.
August 5, 2008
#102 Idonije said . . .For those of you who click on this link very soon (it's 9:28 am central time as I type this), you'll see a great deal on a former Bears card. Wonder why it's so cheap...
Not sure if this site lasts the whole day or not...
August 5, 2008
#103 Max said . . .Favre has now asked for his release from Green Bay after a meeting with McCarthy. This thing is unending.
August 5, 2008
#104 Oaktown34luv said . . .Did I miss something??? Is our number 1 pick currently sitting on the sidelines through training camp??? Is no one else seriously worried? I mean the guy hasnt done anything other than get back spasms. He is supposed to anchor the left side of the line and he isnt learnin anything sitting on the bench. This is bad. To hell with the QB situation, doesnt matter who is throwing the ball if our left end is consistently getting burned every 3 plays or so.
And Shonbear, the Shack in Kailua is good. Just fun cause you get so many random fans in there.
Sorry i havent been keeping up with yall. Im out in California with limited internet access and you guys (and megan) go to fast sometimes. Seasons coming though!! Bring on the first preseason game
August 5, 2008
#105 Pissed Off said . . .PO'd, by better I mean gives the Bears a "better" chance to win. And at this point NO ONE (including the Bears as evidenced by the 2 QB contract extensions), knows which QB is "better". Also everyone, including me, thought Grossman was better than Orton. He was drafted in the 1st round, had a much bigger contract, a better arm and we all thought he gave the Bears the best chance to win. That's why Lovie went with Grossman starting in 2006 and I was ok with that. But things changed (Grossman started sucking) and Lovie and JA didn't change ("Rex is our Quarterback"). That's when I started getting pissed.
As for the benching of Grossman, I may be guilty of using 20/20 hindsight when I said Grossman should have gotten benched for a few games in 2006. I noticed how much his game improved after he got benched in early 2007, he started running forward instead of backwards when the pocket collapsed, he tried to run 3-4 yds when receivers were covered instead of standing there helpless and eating the ball, he kept two hands on ball when looking for receivers to avoid the strip. He must have learned those things, or had a chance to see that he wasn't doing those things, while he was sitting on the bench and looking at the game from a different perspective. And with those skills he may have been able to win the 2006 SB for us.
So using hindsight I said Lovie took too long in waiting until 2007 week 3 to bench Grossman, (we lost the 2006 SB). Asking me to pick a particular game in 2006 where Lovie should have pulled him out is kinda tough considering it was 2 years ago. But I think after we clenched the NFC against the Vikes in week 14 when Grossman turned in another inspirational performance 3 INT's 1.6 QB rating, (that's one-point-six folks!!) sounds like a good time to me. He had been having a whole lot of REALLY bad games since Week 6 against Arizona. It was like Arizona showed the league how to attack Grossman. He was not mobile (Madden said "you always know where to find Grossman") and couldn't handle pressure in the pocket. He had 8 TD's 14 INT's in the 7 games after Arizona and then laid another egg in the week 14 NFC clinch over the Vikes. It was Jones, Hester, Gould and the "D" saving his ass during this stretch. At this point (wk 14), Lovie could have pulled him for a game or 2 and let him realize that he needed to do something different and get himself together for the post season.
Grossman may win the QB battle. If he does I am going to be so happy for him and for the Bears. But if he doesn't I'll be just as happy for Orton. It's all about winning games. I was just trying to say the BT was losing focus on winning games and thinking it was all about saving face on high draft picks when it came to Grossman. If Grossman was a 6th round draft pick, would they have stuck with him that long in 2007?
August 5, 2008
#106 Pissed Off said . . .Williams Schmilliams, we got St. Clair.
August 5, 2008
#107 jeremy34 said . . .Williams Schmilliams, we got St. Clair.
August 5, 2008
#108 Oaktown34luv said . . .Max, don't worry, we are all worried about Chris Williams..... but what are we to say other than we wish he was in camp, and we wish he was healthy. I hope he's not soft, I don't think he is...I think they are being overly cautious....but telling from what his attitude is like when we drafted him is that he is through and through a good person and a good teammate...they really liked his attitude as opposed to some running back we drafted a few years ago.
August 5, 2008
#109 mikebdot said . . .Last sentence in #104 should have been 2006 not 2007
August 5, 2008
#110 mikebdot said . . .http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/depth?team=chi
It has Williams at LT. Crazy.
Booker and Lloyd.
Metcalf at guard. Hmmm. Well, maybe they'll slide St. Clair over there in a few weeks when Williams is actually healthy.
Grossman for now. Still has Hill there for some reason.
On D it has Anderson listed at RDE. ?
Bowman isn't behind McBride.
WTF?
Why can't they put out a useful depth chart? Seriously, that is just dumb. Why can't "da site" actually post a depth chart. It is training camp after all.
August 5, 2008
#111 Anytime said . . .Anyone want to trade for Steve Smith?
August 5, 2008
#112 Pissed Off said . . .Go to ESPN and check out the favre blog. It is pretty funny some of the shit people are saying and its pretty fun pissing off the cheeseheads trying to defend him and the vikings fans who say they want him.
August 5, 2008
#113 Shady said . . .Checked out NFL network and they are televising three of the four bears pre-season games at some point, all except the critical game 3 VS the niners, good job leaving the most important one out. Jerks. Thats not important to those who live in the Chicago area but us who live afar are screwed.
August 5, 2008
#114 Viva said . . .Here's Jay Mariotti with some comments about Chicago's efforts to go after Brett Favre.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1087952,mariotti080308.article
Obviously the guy is in favor of the Bears getting Favre.
Jay makes a good point about how the Packers really fucked this situation up, but he ends up criticizing the Bears for not pulling out the stops to take advantage. I mean 1st round pick plus orton or grossman? In my mind that's way too much, but Jay thinks the Bears should have offered it.
He also takes the bears players and coaches seriously when they say things like:
Uh, man, I don't want that. I still haven't sacked him yet,'' defensive end Adewale Ogunleye said of Favre. ``No, we're happy with our guys. We know what we've got. Whoever (starts), he'll have our support.''
``I don’t see how that would be possible. No way,'' Brian Urlacher said on the Dan Patrick radio show. ``I could see him in a Vikings uniform. I'll tell you what, if they got him, they'd be tough. The way they run the ball, with him doing the play-action stuff, they'd be really, really tough.'' `Not right now. Not with what we have,'' replied offensive coordinator Ron Turner, who said he didn't once discuss Favre with Angelo and Lovie Smith. ``I like our quarterbacks. That’s not to say he’s not a great player; he’s one of the greatest of all time. I love him. I love watching him. (But) not at this time and in this situation. We’ve got two good quarterbacks.''
and
``No reaction. It doesn't affect us,'' Smith said of reports that Favre would consider the Bears and the Vikings, his most favored destination. ``We have our quarterbacks. I'm not going to talk about somebody else's players. If you want to talk about our quarterback, I can talk about them.''
I don't buy that. I know each one of those guys would want a QB like Favre to LEAD the offense. The players and coaches HAVE to say the right things, they don't always tell you how they're REALLY feeling... In fact, Lovie NEVER tells you how he's really feeling.
Anyways, I just feel like the Bears should have offered RMJ and Ron Turner for Brett Favre 'cause I know the Packers would have taken it at this point.
Sure it feels a little naughty, but you could get over it. Once you can separate Brett Favre the man from the Packers Organization, you can start to believe it could happen.
I read a few Favre quotes that would make me excited if the Bears ever DID pick him up (which they won't):
"My intentions have been to play -- and with Green Bay. They say no, so I still want to play in this division for obvious reasons, which I made clear to management. If they won't let me play in Green Bay, let me play against you. That's where I am.''
I say he either plays in Tampa or Minny. I hope Tampa.
August 5, 2008
#115 DTB said . . .I would only go after Favre if he committed to play for two years. (I know... huge if)
But if he did - he can carry this Defense to the Super Bowl, and I would give up a 1st round pick for that action.
Especially considering that round has such enormous bust potential. Nobody knows the opposing D's in our Division better then him.
August 6, 2008
#116 Jimbo said . . .PO'd-The third pre-season game is a Thursday night, nationally televised game on FOX. That should make you less, well PO'd.
August 6, 2008
#117 Shady said . . .According to the Sun Times:
Kyle (man beard) Orton is starting preseason game 1 vs the Cheifs. Then Rex will start game 2 against the Seahawks.According to Lovie (i'm full of shit and never tell the fans whats really going on) Smith... this has nothing to do with where the QB's stand in the competition.
Color me annoyed. I wish the coaching staff would stop playing this whole competition thing so close to the vest.
Link: http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2008/08/camp_notes_orton_to_start_vs_c.html
August 6, 2008
#118 Anytime said . . .I wonder if they flipped for it.
August 6, 2008
#119 Pissed Off said . . .The entire Bears coaching staff with the loss of Rivera has become a bunch of sackless cowards. They are afraid to ever admit a mistake and will never try something different when something doesn't work. I mainly say that due to our running back situation last year. How many running backs did Green Bay plug in there before they found a stud in Ryan Grant? How many failed running backs did Lovie try? one.
August 6, 2008
#120 Pissed Off said . . .Thanks DTB, glad to hear that.
I wonder where the suntimes got their info that Kyle will be starting the 1st game and Rex the 2nd. That said, I think its a pretty good idea since Rex will probably get booed more at home especially if he's a starter.
Please stop the Favre talk once and for all, I think it will all cease here in about 24 hours when he becomes a Buc. Then this nonsense about Favre coming here or people actually wanting the most hated player of the biggest NFL rivaly ever to come wear our uniform. I cant believe some people. Thankfully the BT knows tradition and history and that it would not be OK to get Favre.
August 6, 2008
#121 Rancid said . . .I was watching some past Roy vids and this is my favorite so far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt0iKaaPtlU
Dude has a potty mouth and I love it. And where the hell is he?
August 6, 2008
#122 Worm0922 said . . .Here's a small report on Kyle starting the preseason game. It's just in the NFC North blog section on ESPN. It reports that their was no coin flip, but also that it means nothing concerning the position battle.
August 6, 2008
#123 Duff Diggler said . . .Pissed off, that video tells me how to take the video Roy has been giving. He has a Rex man crush. Don't get me wrong, I believe Rex would be our future with a solid line and check downs. But, Roy is bashing Neckbeard in the last training camp video about a dropped snap. Jeff, I would give a couple dollars to get your most neutral opinion at camp.
August 6, 2008
#124 Duff Diggler said . . .I was trying to wait for a new thread, but....
My Brett Favre rant:
Please excuse my absence this last week (assuming anyone cares of course…). I had to replace my keyboard. It shorted out after “the Brett Favre situation” induced my both severe and excessive vomiting, and thus thwarted my blogging efforts. That being said….
My hat is off to the Green Bay Packers. How could anyone blame them for putting their foot down, and committing to anything other than the Brett Favre carousel. From what I know, prior to his initial retirement, the Packers organization had offered him, if not encouraged him, ample opportunity to return. After the season, before the draft, etc…..
He has some internal tug-o’-war within him, or perhaps Deanna is a real life version of Lauren Holly’s character in Any Given Sunday (if you don’t remember, she was the wife of the aging quarterback, played by Dennis Quaid, that smacked him like a little bitch when he even spoke of retirement). The Packers have made Rodgers their QB, and whether or not that is a better “football decision,” they are not being held hostage any longer. The last time I checked, Favre is under contract with them, and barring a trade block or a re-retirement, has no say in his own destiny. Screw him and his ego. The good thing is that the Packers are going to be a worse football team due to this distraction, and are more likely to implode their season and certain fraction of fan base with any given Rodgers interception.I can’t stand how people (hello John Madden) constantly praise him for carrying receivers after a TD and playing the game in a child-like manner. Shut up already! One thing is true. Farve’s sure acting like a little kid off the field. He is trying to make the Packers look like villains. Aside for the constant highlights, it is easy for us, as Bears fans, to kick back, drink a beer, and watch the drama unfold and the Packers, as a football team, continue to get distracted, dissected, and dismembered in the national spotlight (that is, as long as we don’t get sucked into the whole Favre in Chicago idea, but I’ll get into that in a little bit….). I’ve got news for all the people who say Brett Favre is the greatest quarterback of all time: The only –ests Brett Favre has EVER been, are the HEALTHIEST and LUCKIEST. I know it’s easy to hypothetically gamble, but had (and if) Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Steve Young, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc, and many others before my era been that healthy and/or lucky (and/or remain healthy for that long), I’m willing to bet that their numbers would at least rival, if not beat Brett’s numbers.
As far as the Brett to Chicago talk, don’t we have enough QB issues as it is? Imagine the Favre-will he/wont he-multiplier, the good/bad Rex drama, and the Kyle-deserves-to-be talk together. NO THANK YOU! I don’t give a shit if he plays for the Jets, the Pack, or the Bucs. I will admit that it would be a little disturbing for him to be a Vike due to their potential without him, but that’s not gonna happen.
If ours don’t work out this year, WE NEED TO DRAFT A QB (Tebow ’09)! Let’s see how Rex and Kyle do this year, and move forward. Plus, everything I’ve read about what the Bears think, nobody wants him on this team.
So to wrap this up, fuck Brett, his ego, the Packers, their egos, the Vikings, the Lions (why not?), John Madden, Deanna Favre, Wrangler Jeans, and all of Mississippi. This rant has been sponsored by the number 4.
Let’s sweep these fuckers again….
Beardown!
DD
August 6, 2008
#125 Pissed Off said . . .BTW...
...not too sure how many fantasy football players regular Da Bears Blog....
....but if there are 11 other than myself, would said FF players be interested in an all-Da-Bears-Blog league?
August 6, 2008
#126 big rob said . . .Good rant. I think we've brought up this da blog fantasy thing before. I myself am a fantasy guy and love playing. I'm not crazy like some, I'm only in one league every year but I committ bigtime, before last year I won it two years in a row which was nice. So needless to say I'd be in but I just think its going to be too hard to gather everyone (even just on their computer) to have a draft and working out rules and the commish just seems to be a lot. But if someone volunteers to be a commish and gets everything set up and going, I'm in.
August 6, 2008
#127 Rancid said . . .I have a public league set up over at NFL.com if anyone wants to join I have 9 spots of 12 available.
Just go to NFL.com under the fantasy section and look for the Backyard Football League.
Join if you'd like, I am sure it's gonna be a good time!!
August 6, 2008
I love fantasy football and would enjoy being in a league with the personalities from this site. . .
BUT . . .
I wouldn't want these 2 beautiful worlds (FF and this blog) to collide, for the good of the site. I would think if it did happen it would have to be a house rule that while on this blog, those involved would not speak of the fantasy league. Plus, like PO, I think it would be a lot of work to set up. If it were up and going though, I'd do it.
August 6, 2008
Here at DaBearsBlog, you are free to kill us or the Bears as you so wish. You are not free, however, to be an asshole. So if you spew racism or ill-meaning foul language (cursing about football is just fine) or anything of that ilk, your comments ain't gonna last long, jerk.