With just under ten minutes to go in the Bears pathetic loss - and there is no better word - to Tampa Bay yesterday, I thought I'd be writing an enthusiastic piece about the emergence of the much-maligned offensive unit. Over four hundred total yards on a good defense. Dominated time of possession. A quarterback overcoming a miserable first half and establishing a true threat on the outside in Brandon Lloyd. Creative play-calling. Sure there were some terrible mistakes by Orton early and big drops by Rash Davis and Desmond Clark, but the second half was theirs. Every second of it. I thought. What I didn't realize was that it was just a little Chicago Bears sleight of hand trickery. I'm winning big in a corner game of three-card monty while the dealer's partner is picking my pocket.
How does a defense that allowed only seven points over the first 53 minutes suddenly fall apart in the final 7? (This week we certainly don't have the convenient "the offense put them on the field too much" excuse.) How does a defensive coach rationalize sitting back in a prevent defense and allowing the opponent to drive the length of the field at will....TWICE? How does the league's highest paid defensive tackle actually say that "everybody knows you don't just leave your teammate" in regards to one of the most idiotic plays in a generation?
The Tampa Bay Bucs did nothing fancy or creative Sunday. They attacked linebackers and safeties in coverage. That's all. Until the final dagger over Nathan Vasher's head in overtime, the Bears corners had not been beaten once the entire ballgame. They attacked linebackers and safeties. Everyone and their mother predicted this would be the gameplan and it was. The Bears must not have thought so. And after it became apparent, they didn't seem too concerned with adjusting to it.
The Bears defense blew their second consecutive second-half double digit lead. Discussing anything else about yesterday's debacle would be an insult to the game of football. This team now has six days to prepare for a good Philadelphia team - possibly without Brian Westbrook - in primetime. A loss would knock them down to 1-3 and subsequently squash any playoff dreams that seem to be dwindling every minute anyway. I don't want to hear about how much "better than Sunday" you are or about how you have "learn to finish". Learn to finish? Learn to cover and tackle. The finishing will take care of itself.
As far as I'm concerned, Sunday is exactly what you are until I see evidence otherwise. A poorly coached group of gutless guys who don't know that acting tough after the whistle blows doesn't show up in the box score. They are their coach's team. They are the mirror image of Lovie Smith. Passive at crunch time. Painfully inept with the game on the line.
#2 To Jeff said . . .Wow. You will probably get a lot of shit for this post Jeff, but I couldn't agree with you more.
September 22, 2008
#3 AK said . . .I'll second the #1 post
September 22, 2008
#4 Da Coach said . . .Pathetic. Orton is Orton yet again except this time he actually got picked off. Last week, there were a few dropped almost-INTs from Carolina. Orton looks like he's throwing into the wind. No arm strength and no accuracy. There will quite a few more interceptions before fans actually start chanting for Rex (which should happen in a week or two). He under threw the pass to Forte which turned out be an interception. He under threw a ton of receivers. I can throw over 15 yards, I don't see why an NFL QB can't.
And when the ball magically made it to the receivers they dropped it. Rash Davis is officially on my shit list. Same retarded play calling with no adjustments. I can guarantee you that the "Shoop Screen" pass they run is going to get picked off next week.
The coaches seem to make a plan before the game and stick with it come hell or high water. Good coaches respond to the game and make necessary adjustments. Which brings me of course to...
When the Bucs changed their offense plan: moving away from running the ball and going into the no-huddle. What did the defense do? Nothing. No adjustments necessary here, folks. Let's just keep playing the same way. This is the same way the Bears lost in 06. The coaches don't know how to adjust to the game.
Forget Peanut Tillman's stupid personal foul. The defense still had a chance to stop the Bucs and they couldn't do it. These highly paid athletes seem to get winded easily, don't they? (Not to mention the fact that they weren't on the field before the half, during the half and after the half...) How much more time do they need before they can start running and tackling again? Are they just eating giant beef burritos in-between plays? What the hell is the problem? The Bears actually had control over the clock for the majority of the game and the defense still sputtered to a halt. This is the second time they've let a double digit lead drop in the 4th quarter. Griese manages 67 pass attempts and there wasn't one sack? What the hell are they paying Tommie Harris for? I guess not every team has a shitty offensive line like the Bears.
With all that said, I'm still looking forward to next week's game. Perhaps Da bears will *gasp* make changes?
September 22, 2008
#5 Crown said . . ."A poorly coached group of gutless guys who don't know that acting tough after the whistle blows doesn't show up in the box score. They are their coach's team."
This Jeff is probably the harshest reality out there right now. It does not look good at this point. Football is based on emotion and every time a camera is on Lovie he has that goofy dazed look on his face, show some damn emotion sometime it will not hurt trust me!
September 22, 2008
#6 Bill said . . .No pressure on Griese from our D-line was the major problem. We might have gotten a hand on him 2 or 3 times during his 60+ throwing attempt day. We were stout on the run (especially Dusty D), but we got no pressure on Griese as their O-line manhandled our D line. This game is won and lost in the trenches, and their O-line was dominant. Little pressure from Wale or Brown, Tommie's name didn't appear all game even though he was doubled a lot, and they picked up our secondary blitzes very well. Number 91 needs to start living up to his contract. If you give an NFL QB at least 3 or 4 seconds to throw in the pocket, they are going to eat you up. No matter if you are Jon Kitna or Griese or whoever. The secondary played as well as you can against an offense that was dominating the line of scrimmage. Peanut knows better and ruined a great individual playing performance where he had another strip, was a good tackler, and broke up a sure TD in the end zone by playing the ball perfectly.
September 22, 2008
#7 animal said . . .I have to say that in all my years of watching and suffering with them, and enjoying the rare successful seasons, I have never felt this low. The meltdown that has occurred two weeks in a row is unbelievable. That it comes from a variety of sources and not just one side of the ball is a real testament to the coaches.
I almost want to say I'm embarassed to be a Bear's fan. I can't quite say that (yet) though this (in a different way) is getting to be like the Wanny years. Here's a team that flat out quits when the game is on the line - physically and mentally).
That's the way I see it - they can't play four quarters. They seem to quit - players, coaches, whoever.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but at the least what we've seen the last two weeks is pathetic.
September 22, 2008
#8 MR. Biggz said . . .We have the talent. So now I think maybe we don't have the coaching.
September 22, 2008
#9 jeff said . . .In response to #3's comments, "AK". I couldn't agree with you more my friend. Pathetic=Orton. I couldn't help not notice how Orton in the first half kept under throwing his WR's especially to Booker! TWice in fact! I have it on Tivo and went back and man ohh man could you see the frustration on Bookers face. When is Orton going to learn how to connect with other receivers other than LLoyd?? OKay looks like LLoyd has adjusted to Ortons throws, he knows everyone knows that Ortons arm strength an accuracy isn't perfect so LLoyd had to make acrobatic catches to pull down Orton throws. Big props to LLOyd for that transition. Now what about the other receivers? Davis is rusty he dropped again another perfect short My last point is I want the best for this team to win regardless who QB's and as I see it REX is our best option to move forward. There' needs to be stability at the QB position Orton can't be trusted to Win more games apart from relying on Forte running it always. You have to air it out at times!! Orton can't handle the load its obvious. NOw look I'm not putting the full blame on him for our loss, no ways! But! He had a role in our loss like others, Tillman,Gould(not making the 49er field goal attempt), Davis, man the list goes on. OHH not to mention Hunter Hillenmyer. Man This is the 2nd game were he's been eaten alive. What has happened to him???? Our Defensive line just got the wind knocked out of them in the last half especially the 4th quarter because of the no huddle of offense of TAmpa. Griese just kept picking on them keeping them on there feet and there you have it, the Defense spent tooo much time on the field in the 1st half b/c Orton couldn't capitalize on the points to score TD's. Don't forget we were 3rd in the NFL for 3rd down completions, now we are probably last, because we couldn't convert on our 3rd down opportunities and score.
I seriously hope next game the BEars come with a game plan or better yet "Changes" ahem* and come out with a win or else I see our playoff hopes diminish just like last year.
BEAR DOWN!!!September 22, 2008
#10 jeff said . . .guys, yesterday was not about orton. the offense scored 24 points. if they can't win with 24 points and a ten point lead with 7 minutes left..
September 22, 2008
#11 Decatur Staleys # 7 said . . .and biggz....stop with the defense spent too much time on the field crap. look at the time of possession....they actually didnt
September 22, 2008
#12 jeff said . . .What do you get with 182 million defense?
an a 4.5 million coach?
1-2 record
Well with the local media throwing them under the bus all week,maybe the get motivated to beat Tommy H"fav"QB D.McFly
September 22, 2008
#13 I take no pleasure in this said . . .if they need motivation, they should come on here every morning
September 22, 2008
#14 Mr. Biggz said . . .But goddammit, Mr. Biggz, you are like the overgrown, slow-minded kid on the playground. You're too intellectually lazy to move past the QB argument because that may require you to tax a neuron.
September 22, 2008
#15 AK said . . .In response to "Jeff", my bad was getting type happy shouldn't have wrote about the "defense spent too much time on the field" my error.
September 22, 2008
#16 Mr. Biggz said . . .I agree with Jeff that this isn't only about Orton. I think his arm is weak, but I still think he's doing a decent job. The problem with the offense extends into the receivers dropping the ball, the offensive line allowing sacks and false starts, the anemic play calling from Ron Turner, the inability to change game plans...
This was a system wide failure. Orton bounced back. They had a big lead. They have the talent, they just need to execute. Or at least execute Lovie and Turner.
September 22, 2008
#17 Phil from SATX said . . .Is that best you can do #13??? Why don't you post something more intellectual than acting like a little B*tch you are and ignoring what the real problem is. That is our QB position is one of the hot topics for our loss apart from other problems that caused us to lose. WE need change or wait! YOur so dumbfounded in the thought that we are going to win and make the Playoffs with Orton on our back. LMAO good luck son!
Go BEARS!!!September 22, 2008
#18 jeff said . . .And I'm not going to give up on the team (never did never will) but I am getting a sick feeling that animal is right. I am really starting to believe "it's the coaching, stupid." The Peter Principle is a real thing that happens - do well at your job and keep getting promoted, and eventually you may get to that level which is one level beyond your optimal talents. Does that describe Lovie? We already know RT doesn't merit being an OC, and last year's doubts about Babich are starting to set as well.
Last year we could blame injuries, a horrible running back and a too-old and injured offensive line. So far this year, no significant injuries (not counting Hester because his absence did not materially impact that game), a great running back (who at the rate he's being used may last another 4 games), and a line that has to be called, at the very least, better than last year.
And yet we have lost two very winnable games, in similar fashion.
Let's find out if Lovie has ANY leadership skills, ANY AT ALL. We'll soon know.
September 22, 2008
#19 craig said . . .sunday now becomes a very interesting game. i usually don't believe in this type of thing, but we'll know who these guys are.
September 22, 2008
#20 No fucking QB would win yesterday's game said . . .Yeah....
I'm in the crowd who lashed out after the game and blamed the offense. It was hard for me to understand how a defense that had played so well all day could suddenly break down. In my bewilderment, I guess I reached for the easiest explanation (at least for Bears fans): it was the offense. But it wasn't. As frustrating as the offense was—and it was especially inept late in the game—all the defense had to do was make one stop in Tampa's last three drives. Just one. They couldn't.
On the offensive side, we all love to bash Ron Turner for his terrible playcalling at times. But at least on that side of the ball, we know we're looking at a bunch of players who simply can't execute. Kyle Orton can't throw past 15 yards. Half the O-line can't block. And we don't have a single receiver who has shown that he can get open and catch the ball week after week.
But on defense, we've seen these guys play at an elite level. We've seen them rack up sacks and takeaways, and frustrate opposing offenses. So here's where I especially have to agree with Jeff, AK, and others. I think this is a coaching issue. It's about not making adjustments when teams figure out how to attack you. It's about not being able to get your guys to play hard for 60+ minutes. More than anything, though, there's an attitude and a composure, especially under pressure, that gets instilled in a unit by its coaches. I said it in the preseason and I'll say it again: I think this defense misses Ron Rivera.
September 22, 2008
#21 A long time ago... said . . .With a 10 point lead in the 4th Q. Tom Brady can come out and give his team a lead in the fourth quarter and still lose (he did, see Super Bowl) and it's not the QBs fault. It's the fucking Defense. Dipshit.
Mr(s). Biggz, I'm convinced you're the equivalent of an adolescent baboon.
September 22, 2008
#22 Tyger said . . .The Bears haven't blown two double digit second half leads in the same SEASON in at least 10 years. They managed it in back to back games.
FIRE SOMEONE!!
September 22, 2008
#23 Mr. Biggz said . . .OTOH, if they somehow all "bond" around "The Incident" and come out and play in sync the rest of the year and win 10 or 11, this would have been the "turning point" or some other such nonsense.
Two positive things: Forte is still good and will be a Top-5 back in the NFL during his prime, if not sooner. Josh Beekman is not horrible at blocking. If he and Chris Williams can turn into a legitimate LG/LT combo that is above-average, I'd be extremely pleased. has anyone taken a closer look at Beekman to know if what my cursory glances have shown are actually true?
September 22, 2008
#24 mikebdot said . . .IN RESPONSE TO #24, YOu think its all the Defense fault for our loss, I think your the adolescent baboon who needs to get your ass raped for putting the full blame on our D, for the loss, ohhh wait you already got your ass raped by one. Think you need to watch a re-run of the game on Nfl network and get your facts straight.
September 22, 2008
#25 Phil from SATX said . . .I finally got to watch the whole game. The touchdown play at the end of regulation was a penalty on Tampa. Illegal fucking motion. Not that that changes much in terms of the fact that we gave up the TD pass, but it should have been called. The other tight end was not done moving laterally when Stevens, or whoever, went in motion.
I honestly can't believe we lost that game.
I'm somewhat pissed about it, but I think we were clearly the better team. Once again, though, there were way too many penalties. Once again, we are among the league "leaders" in penalties. That begins with coaching.
3rd down killed us. Poor poor play-calling. Doing play-action on 3rd and 2 is not going to work much longer Turner. Doing it in various situations is what fools people. You can do it on 1st and 10, seriously.
I'm sick of blaming people. There were poor plays, lost opportunities and just plain bad luck. What is inexcusable are false starts (Garza), bad personal foul penalties (Williams, Tillman), dropped passes, and throws directly to the other team. Fortunately, that was only done once by Orton, unfortunately it was returned for a TD. Actually, I was sort of surprised it wasn't called a fumble, instead of a TD. That would have been hilarious. Challenging the play only to have the Bears get the ball at the 20. Refs don't understand that rule at all. If you don't have possession as you cross the plain and it goes out of bounds, you're fucked. It was really close though and not surprised they called a TD.
Anyhow, I could write a book like some people, but I just wanted to say I'm still optimistic about the season. The number of 3 and outs and turnovers the defense generated was awesome, but dropped INTs, and poor tackling show we can be even better.
September 22, 2008
#26 Mr. Biggz has to be PO'd said . . .I just don't agree with you guys - all they had to do is make one stop - that's true, but how about all the offense had to do was make one first down? How about all the stops, and takeaways, the D DID make? You're isolating a time in the game at the end. We saw this repeatedly last year. The D played great for three quarters or so. The O did a lot of 3 and outs. D keeps trotting out there, eventually they fail. I honestly don't know how the TOP was so lopsided in favor of the Bears, that didn't jibe with the game I watched. I think that's because the D was doing their job really well in the first half while the O was holding the ball but not turning it into points.
It's not to say the D deserves a pass. They don't - and the coaching certainly doesn't, because I agree that adjustments weren't made. The problem is I'm not sure they could have made adjustments that would work, at least without giving the run game back, or maybe the long ball. It does seem like this is a SYSTEM problem rather than a player problem.
But to ignore offensive futility - and if you think the offense wasn't futile, look at the 3rd down stats - is to just look at one side of the picture. There are two sides, and they both contributed mightily to the loss.
I'm not one to throw Kyle under the bus for this loss - but I am ready to throw RT there. Also, there is a perfectly good WR on the roster that's not even being used, in Mark Bradley. Can someone PLEASE tell me why? It seems clear right now that Rash isn't the answer, and Marty doesn't seem to be either. Is Bennett hurt? Is that why he's not out there?
MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS COACHES. BOTH SIDES NOW.
September 22, 2008
#27 Steve said . . .Talks like a moron, walks like a moron, types like a moron.
Read the lead post, dipweed.
How does a defense that allowed only seven points over the first 53 minutes suddenly fall apart in the final 7? (This week we certainly don't have the convenient "the offense put them on the field too much" excuse.) How does a defensive coach rationalize sitting back in a prevent defense and allowing the opponent to drive the length of the field at will....TWICE? How does the league's highest paid defensive tackle actually say that "everybody knows you don't just leave your teammate" in regards to one of the most idiotic plays in a generation?
September 22, 2008
#28 Rancid said . . .This was a great post, I think you should send it to the team so they can get a good idea of what most of their fans are thinking after the past two weeks. I would have never though that I would be blaming the defense two weeks in a row for giving up the game.
September 22, 2008
#29 Bill said . . .Phil - Good luck trying to throw RT under the bus. I've been trying for a couple years now. The bastard just won't die. I'm not saying I fully blame RT for the loss. As I stated last post, I'm tired of that game. Just prove you've got a pair and beat Philly.
September 22, 2008
#30 bfos7215 said . . .The way I see it, we've agreed long ago we don't have a good QB; the offense is unreliable at best. GIVEN those observations as facts (for the sake or arguement, that is), then 24 points is to be considered near optimum.
So all we need is for the defense to not squander a 10 point 4Q lead on two LONG drives. It's not like the O gave them the ball with a short field. We (supposedly) do defense well and offense not so well.
And so I can't blame this on the offense. They did their job up to and maybe even exceeding (admittedly) low expectations.
(Also -let's learn from Peanut's mistake and not let this discussion degenerate.)
September 22, 2008
#31 zmac said . . .So much for Orton doesn't make stupid throws.
September 22, 2008
#32 jeff said . . .Its impossible to blame one side of the ball. The Defense has to close this game. The Offense has to close this game. The offense didnt step up and burn clock in their last drive. The offense didnt take advantage of a #55 pick basically in the red zone. The offense did turn over the ball in the red zone and give up a pick 6.
There is absolutely no way you pin this all on the defense. In Carolina and yesterday in Soldier the offense should had created a 14-20 point lead with all the opportunities they were given. Just because this D is good, doesnt mean it always has to make up for an incompetent offense led by a terribly inaccurate and (after that pick 6) stupid QB.
That said... the defense has to hold that lead as well. Defend Tillman all you want, but he messed up. The D put up a great 3 and out to basically seal the game in OT and he blew it.
September 22, 2008
#33 Shady said . . .i do blame the defense. we're constantly told the reason we don't have playmakers on offense is because we choose to spend our resources building the defense and special teams. so i only ask our offense to score enough to win. they did that. the defense had to make one stop in two tries in the fourth quarter. one stop. they didn't.
September 22, 2008
#34 Shady said . . .I think Bill has the right perspective on this one.
September 22, 2008
#35 die_hard_BEARS_Fan said . . ....As does Jeff with his latest post (#32).
September 22, 2008
#36 Pissed Off said . . .GReat comments from everyone, but I do agree with MR.Biggz, he has valid points about Orton being a fuck up in the first half and trying to make up in the 2nd half, but it wasn't enough. Yeah the Defense is partly to blame they should have stopped Griese Ballzz, but they didn't! I'm not going to bash Orton just yet, but I'm still not convinced he can lead us to victory or a matter of fact fuck up more games for us throwing more iNT's come this week with PHilly! Philly is going to be pounding Orton like a duffel bag. Hope he makes it out alive the way our O line is now playing.
Viva La BEARS.
p.s. Mr.Biggz, is that your website---> Mrbigdickshotchicks.com ??????September 22, 2008
#37 NY Bears Fan said . . .As you all know I've been staying away for a while. I havent read anything either over the past week or so. Unless someones been posting under my name which is possible. I'm sick of the drama. Jeff I love the site but I gotta scale back or I'm gonna have a heart attack. If I do continue to blog here its almost like I'm going to have to post without reading much of the content. I cant continue to fight. All the mindless name calling, like what I've seen on just this thread toward Mr Biggz. Its just his opinion guys, lay off!! Its so childish. So this is an official unofficial farewell from me on the daily posting anyways. I've made a lot of friends here, and probably just as many enemies in my almost 3 years here
Heres my take on the game. I will of couse start with the QB. I think Orton mixed in a decent second half, but he had to if he wanted to keep his job after that 1st half performance. The pick 6 was horrible. He still underthows most all the deep balls resulting in the WRs having to stop or turn around or catch the ball behind their head (see Lloyd). The first half was Orton being Orton and the second half was Orton playing with something to prove. Good luck against Philly when they game plan for Lloyd and Forte.
The defense was on the field a long time and it just didnt need to be. They had the chance to stop a lot of drives and didnt do it. Tillmans penalty at the end was uncalled for but this team cant finish anyway. Lovies ho-hum attitude isnt getting it done. Just once I'd like to see him reem someones ass. Fire the team up or something. It was classic bend dont break most of the game for D but in the end it broke. Be that by stupid penalty or just plain not stopping the opposition. It was very deflating but now we move on. Unless some dramatic change occurs, we're staring at 1-3.
September 22, 2008
#38 Bearman on the Sangamon said . . .I still don't understand how anyone could blame the offense. Had the time of possession been heavily in favor of Tampa then it would make sense that the defense would be tired at the end of the game. We won the time of possession battle and the defense still looked tired and beat. They couldn't handle the no huddle offense and could not get to slow and old Greasy.
If before the game someone told you that Tampa would need to drive the length of the field not once, but three times (last 4 minutes and OT) to win the game you would have called them crazy.
I think teams will continue to run the no huddle on us in the future to keep the defense on their heels and tire them out quickly. In the past we have always lost the time of possession and tired out the defense quickly but that is no excuse this year.
September 22, 2008
#39 Pissed Off said . . .Come on guys. Back the fuck off of Kyle Orton. What is it with Bears fans? Expecting perfection out of your quarterback. Orton has shown improvement in every single fucking excersion onto the gridiron. Get off his back. You consistant QB critics embarrass me.
September 22, 2008
#40 Viva said . . .As you all know I've been staying away for a while. I havent read anything either over the past week or so. Unless someones been posting under my name which is possible. I'm sick of the drama. Jeff I love the site but I gotta scale back or I'm gonna have a heart attack. If I do continue to blog here its almost like I'm going to have to post without reading much of the content. I cant continue to fight. All the mindless name calling, like what I've seen on just this thread toward Mr Biggz. Its just his opinion guys, lay off!! Its so childish. So this is an official unofficial farewell from me on the daily posting anyways. I've made a lot of friends here, and probably just as many enemies in my almost 3 years here
Heres my take on the game. I will of couse start with the QB. I think Orton mixed in a decent second half, but he had to if he wanted to keep his job after that 1st half performance. The pick 6 was horrible. He still underthows most all the deep balls resulting in the WRs having to stop or turn around or catch the ball behind their head (see Lloyd). The first half was Orton being Orton and the second half was Orton playing with something to prove. Good luck against Philly when they game plan for Lloyd and Forte.
The defense was on the field a long time and it just didnt need to be. They had the chance to stop a lot of drives and didnt do it. Tillmans penalty at the end was uncalled for but this team cant finish anyway. Lovies ho-hum attitude isnt getting it done. Just once I'd like to see him reem someones ass. Fire the team up or something. It was classic bend dont break most of the game for D but in the end it broke. Be that by stupid penalty or just plain not stopping the opposition. It was very deflating but now we move on. Unless some dramatic change occurs, we're staring at 1-3.
September 22, 2008
#41 Bearman on the Sangamon said . . .I'm sure Babich and Lovie are second guessing themselves by having Vasher returning punts. Did it wind him in OT?
Manning continued to impress on Special Teams...was very surprised by the direct snap to Wolfe on the fake punt. Taub hit another home-run.
Our D set the table for our O on two different occasions in the first half (once on the TB 38 yard line the other on the TB 15 yard line). Our O went backwards on both drives and we converted for 3 pts.
Babich shit the bed late in the ballgame. Tillman was caught smelling the sheets.
The root cause of this loss is the last paragraph of Jeff's post.
September 22, 2008
#42 Mr. Biggz said . . .Come on guys. Back the fuck off of Kyle Orton. What is it with Bears fans? Expecting perfection out of your quarterback. Orton has shown improvement in every single fucking excersion onto the gridiron. Get off his back. You consistant QB critics embarrass me.
September 22, 2008
#43 bfos7215 said . . .Alrite all you REX hater fans, and to JEff also why its the Offense fault for our loss more than the DEfense.
This one's not on Tillman, and the D. should have never been in OT. The D gets 3 picks and the O gets 3 FG's and a missed FG? Why doen't anyone talk about the giftwrapped TD that Orton gave to the Bucs? This one's on Turner, Orton, and the O. Bench Kyle. He's 1-2. Rex was benched last year after a 1-2 start and he had no line and no RB. What could Rex do with a line and a RB? Oh yeah, they went to the Super Bowl.September 22, 2008
#44 Mr. Biggz Squirts on the REX haters...... said . . .Four turnovers from the defense should be enough for even the most mediocre offenses to win the game. The offense did enough and the defense did too. Key mistakes are the reason we lost. You can't drop huge 3rd down passes, throw stupid INT's for TD's, and turn the ball over by way of unnecessary roughness all in one game.
Mistakes like those don't show up in the box score even though they were just as critical.
September 22, 2008
#45 jeff said . . .Alrite all you REX hater fans, and to JEff also why its the Offense fault for our loss more than the DEfense.
This one's not on Tillman, and the D. should have never been in OT. The D gets 3 picks and the O gets 3 FG's and a missed FG? Why doen't anyone talk about the giftwrapped TD that Orton gave to the Bucs? This one's on Turner, Orton, and the O. Bench Kyle. He's 1-2. Rex was benched last year after a 1-2 start and he had no line and no RB. What could Rex do with a line and a RB? Oh yeah, they went to the Super Bowl.September 22, 2008
#46 Pissed Off said . . .ten point lead. seven minutes. brian griese torches you up and down the field. and you blame kyle orton.
now you just sound stupid.
September 22, 2008
#47 Viva said . . .I'm not Mr Biggz, I actully chatted with him over at anther blog I'm not going to share with you. He's a nice guy and just has to get riled up and gets lured into the mind numbing name calling by idiots like #13, #20, and #26. I'm sure its all the same person, its the same type of adolescent commentary in every post just calling names. This is the reason I'm not reading anymore. I might still occassionally read some of the reliable posters, even ones that I've gotten into it with over the years but guys who dont resort to name calling and can actually debate. Guys who've been here a while.
September 22, 2008
#48 Pissed Off said . . .Babich shit the bed, and Tillman got caught smelling the sheets.
September 22, 2008
#49 MR. Biggz to Jeff's comments...... said . . .Unfortunately some posters have made this site unreadable at times. I propose a required login for this site so that people have to be accountable for what they say. Theres no reason not to do it. I just hate when people name call and personally attack others just cuz they disagree with someones take. This site needs to be monitored and some comments need to be deleted.
September 22, 2008
#50 mikebdot said . . .As hard as it may seem Jeffy to understand why we lost this game, its obvious we blew it in the last Quarter and our Defense blew it for us. But hey I'm not going to buy that and a lot of other people are not either. All of this mess could have been prevented if Orton didn't fuck up in the first half giving the ball away for TD. Who to blame??? Yeah the Offense and good old Ron Turner with his pathetic play calling. IF they realized early on the LLoyd was gonna be the go to man early in the first half than the 2nd we would have been up higher than 1opt lead. Ohh lets not forget Goulds missed 49er field goal, ohh hey its the offense's fault again. Our Defense did the best they could but eventually they will get worn out and its all but human do so. They are not like Robots who play D like they did continuously without a breather. Come on man you know I'm making a valid point so dont call me being stupid! Everyone has there opinions and they are entitled to it.
September 22, 2008
#51 Oaktown34luv said . . .zmac: I'm pretty sure that Orton's other pick wasn't "in the red zone". They weren't even in FG range (well, apparently, not Gould's field goal range anyway).
By the way folks, we're only 1 game out of first in the division...well-timed wins against Green Bay will go a long way.
We have a good team. All we need is discipline and lead blockers hitting people.
The reason our TOP was so good is because Tampa threw 68 passes. With so many incomplete passes it stopped the clock on their drives a lot. I'm sure they had way more snaps than us. In short, TOP only matters when you score touchdowns. You have to win that battle by a lot when you kick 3 FGs per game, as per usual.
We have too many personnel packages. We need a #1 and #2 receiver, not a receiver by committee approach. Hopefully they found number one...
I agree with the notion that Orton underthrows quite a few of his passes, but the TD pass to Lloyd was perfectly executed. The pass to Lloyd that someone said he would have scored a TD on if it was thrown perfectly was actual a perfect throw to the outside shoulder. Lloyd was thinking inside, but the safety was right there to deliver a huge hit if Orton went to that side. I think it was a great pass. The pass to Forte could have been 1 yard farther, but Forte didn't have the step initially so Orton threw it up for grabs.
That pass to Clark that was pick-6ed was such a bad play call. A TE screen is not necessary, especially when your players suck at executing screen plays. Leave those to Forte. He'll only get ten yards because Kreutz has probably 0 pancake blocks this season, but at least we might get a first down. I'm quite sick of seeing Kreutz all by himself before the ball-carrier is being tackled. He and Garza both. Man, I'd almost rather see Fred Miller in there than Garza...*throw up sound*.
Beekman had a poor game. So did St. Clair. That line is really really good though and we only gave up a few sacks. Yes, they were in key situations, but man, those guys are good. I am still optimistic.
Ok, that was my book I guess.
September 22, 2008
#52 Crown said . . .Since 1975 I have missed watching only 3 Bears games. I moved to Californian in 1986 and still I only missed 3 games in 33 years. I am not an X and O type fan, but I have a feel for the game and I think I have an explanation as to why the Bears are so frustrating right now. And in my opinion it's the smaller/quicker defensive lineman required for Lovie's cover 2 defense.
The Bears have a history of cheapness. It's as if Papa Bear was saying "I ain't gonna pay top dollar for a player, because anybody could do that. I invented pro football and I am too good at it to have to pay top dollar for talent. I will beat you with a team that costs half as much as yours, because I am George Halas damnit!." Even Payton was penalized by this credo. He was never paid what he deserved. In the late 70's this cheapness led to miserable teams. Then we got GM Jim Finx and he was able to draft great defensive players on the cheap, because mostly offensive players were getting the big bucks back in those days. But Finx realized that if you could pressure the QB enough, you can win games even without much offensive talent. So Finx drafted huge defensive lineman like Hampton, Mongo, Fridge and Dent. Then he drafter monster LB's like Singletary and Marshall and all these guys together would DOMINATE the line of scrimmage and keep us in games by stopping the run collapsing the pocket and getting sacks. All this defensive pressure translated into wins, and when we finally got a coach (Ditka) who stopped all the dumb penalties and a QB (McMahon) who could actually complete a pass, we won the super bowl.
But we never really quit being cheap. Then we hired Lovie and his cover 2. the cover 2 is a good defense, but it's not a dominate defense. If you want to win with the cover 2 you have to have a descent offense to go along with it. How many SB's did Dungy win in Tampa? None. Gruden came in and installed an offense to go with the Cover 2 and THEN they won the SB. Dungy went to INDY so he had Manning on "O" and THEN he won a SB.
My point is the cover 2 can't win the SB, or even get you to the playoffs without a descent "O". And the Bears do not have descent "O" because they won't spend the money on that side of the ball. If we are not going to pay for "O" then we need to junk the cover 2 (and Lovie) and get some huge D-lineman and monster LB's in here along with a coach who breathes fire. I ask you who is more scary to an opposing QB, Urlacher or Singletary, Wilbur Marshall or Briggs? It's not even close.
September 22, 2008
#53 First Drive, KO to Dez for 6! said . . .Tampa's D was on the field longer than our D and they did not looked as gassed as we did. Why wasn't Tampa's D huffing and puffing? Why was their D line getting pressure on Orton all day and we could not touch Griese, yet we were the ones on our knees with our helmets off at the end of the game? The D looked old at the end of the game. I thought we were supposed to have the best conditioning guy in the league. We looked out of shape at the end of the game and its not like we were playing in Carolina weather like we did last week.
September 22, 2008
#54 Keeping Score said . . .Oh, but he dropped it...Have to settle for 3, but let's blame it on Kyle. He's got a funny beard.
September 22, 2008
#55 jeff said . . .Crown called it right, KO for 200+ yards and 2 TDs.
September 22, 2008
#56 MerrillvilleRudy said . . .no biggz. it's actually stupid.
the offense struggled in the first half and gave the defense a 10 point lead.
i'm tired of bears fans giving the defense a pass for performances like this. why? because you own an urlacher jersey? because they're all talented. they were horrendous in the 4th quarter...horrendous...
READ THIS NOW: KYLE ORTON AND THE OFFENSE DID THEIR DAMN JOB. they were awful early and they made up for it by putting the team up 10 points with seven minutes to go. they did their job.
i dont know when this moronic myth began about defenses being on the field too much started but it's substantiated by nothing. the 2000 ravens were always on the field...and they were brilliant.
10points. 7 minutes. you want to blame kyle orton and make excuses for the defense, go ahead. but it's the same bullshit bears fans have been spewing for years. you want the defense to play less? how about they get a stop on third down.
September 22, 2008
#57 jeff said . . .The Bears are who we thought the were. A very bad football team. The win against the Colts doesn't look so inspiring after their miserable start. And the past two weeks? Pathetic. I used to like Peanut (emphasis on past tense). His slick move is by far the dumbest thing I've ever seen a football player do. And that's saying alot. Place Tommy Harris in the idiot column for his miserable defense of Tillman's action 5 minutes after the play was over also. Is it April yet?
September 22, 2008
#58 Your_boy_Roy said . . .i wish they were a bad football team. it would make these losses easier. they're good but they show nothing in these fourth quarters. they're afraid to lose.
September 22, 2008
#59 Urlacher FTW said . . .Hey nice site guys, but I want to introduce to you my new site I put up for us bears fans. We have live talk shows, just feel free to call in and express your views today at 3:30-4:30, come on stop by at www.yourboyroy.com. We have lots to talk about and hey why not come in and express your thoughts. Loads of Bears info and what not.
Hope to see you there.September 22, 2008
#60 bfos7215 said . . .I am not positive most of you were watching the same game I was. I agree that the pick 6 was a horrid, awful, Grossman like mistake. So Orton cost us 7 points there, ok. Forte dropped a ball that hit him in the chest in the endzone, there's 7, Clark dropped one that hit him in the hands there's 4, and Gould, the highest paid kicker in the NFL can't make a field goal from 13 yards closer than his counterpart; there's 3 more. We had no turn over in the red-zone, if you are referring to the pick in the endzone, he launched that from midfield.. so that isn't the redzone.
People that are saying Orton isn't accurate... what is your comparison, we have to field our most accurate QB and compared to Grossman, Orton is a sniper; Rex "glass joe" Grossman has had one complete season and over that he completed less than 55% of his passes, averaged less than 7 yards per pass attempt, and barely threw more TDs than INTs. This game Orton averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt (stronger arm), completed over 60% of his passes (more accurate). He threw more TD passes than Rodgers and Romo put together. If anything I got a positive vibe from this game because if the cuffs are officially off and the line can protect Orton for more than 2 seconds, he is more than capable of getting it done.
This in the end was a team loss, dropped passes in key situations, missed FG, bad defensive coaching (at the end), STUPID penalty, and no pressure all day long from the D-line probably hurt most of all.September 22, 2008
#61 your_boy_Roy said . . ."READ THIS NOW: KYLE ORTON AND THE OFFENSE DID THEIR DAMN JOB. they were awful early and they made up for it by putting the team up 10 points with seven minutes to go. they did their job."
That lead only happened because the defense was so good in the first 3 quarters of the game. What is stupid is saying that the offense played good for half of a game, therefore they did their job. I'm sorry, but the offense isn't paid to play solid for 15-30 minutes and take a shit for the rest of the game.
The defense definitely holds their share in the blame. No doubt. But, when a QB plays as shitty as Orton did (save for a few solid series) and personally puts 7 points on the board for the other team, and you still defend him, something's wrong. Either your an idiot or you're a fan boy.
September 22, 2008
#62 your_boy_Roy said . . .Hey nice site guys, but I want to introduce to you my new site I put up for us bears fans. We have live talk shows, just feel free to call in and express your views today at 3:30-4:30, come on stop by at www.yourboyroy.com. We have lots to talk about and hey why not come in and express your thoughts. Loads of Bears info and what not.
Hope to see you there.September 22, 2008
#63 Snowbird in Florida said . . .Hey nice site guys, but I want to introduce to you my new site I put up for us bears fans. We have live talk shows, just feel free to call in and express your views today at 3:30-4:30, come on stop by at www.yourboyroy.com. We have lots to talk about and hey why not come in and express your thoughts. Loads of Bears info and what not.
Hope to see you there.September 22, 2008
#64 jeff said . . .Damn! I'm nearly seventy phuckin' years old! I took two damn weeks of blood pressure pills last Sunday @ 'Lina, and yesterday. I love this team. It's all it got. But y'all caint keep this up. Y'all need to earn some W's and stop blownin' leads. After week 1, I thought this team was gonna win the division. This team could go 6-10 right now. We need a turnaround, NOW. Indy ain't no good no mo'. If this team can't fix things, Kyle, Rex, Jerry, Lovie, Ron, Bob -- need to find a new employer at the end of the season.
September 22, 2008
#65 Snowbird in Florida said . . .10 POINTS IN 7 MINUTES! the offense scored 24 points! since when is a ten point lead with 7 minutes not enough for our vaunted defense?
September 22, 2008
#66 Snowbird in Florida said . . .Damn! I'm nearly seventy phuckin' years old! I took two damn weeks of blood pressure pills last Sunday @ 'Lina, and yesterday. I love this team. It's all it got. But y'all caint keep this up. Y'all need to earn some W's and stop blownin' leads. After week 1, I thought this team was gonna win the division. This team could go 6-10 right now. We need a turnaround, NOW. Indy ain't no good no mo'. If this team can't fix things, Kyle, Rex, Jerry, Lovie, Ron, Bob -- need to find a new employer at the end of the season.
September 22, 2008
#67 Urlacher FTW said . . .Damn! I'm nearly seventy phuckin' years old! I took two damn weeks of blood pressure pills last Sunday @ 'Lina, and yesterday. I love this team. It's all it got. But y'all caint keep this up. Y'all need to earn some W's and stop blownin' leads. After week 1, I thought this team was gonna win the division. This team could go 6-10 right now. We need a turnaround, NOW. Indy ain't no good no mo'. If this team can't fix things, Kyle, Rex, Jerry, Lovie, Ron, Bob -- need to find a new employer at the end of the season.
September 22, 2008
#68 Sean said . . .So Oaktown, you think the bears should spend money getting 2 big D-lineman and a QB to be more successful? So like.. Cleveland just did this year right? Ya that strategy is paying off huge for them. And yes clearly Urlacher and Briggs are way more intimidating to a QB, those other 2 guys are over 50 and dont even play anymore, duh.
September 22, 2008
#69 Snowbird in Florida said . . .This was a rough loss, but when it comes down to it, we have a good running game, decent offensive line, and a solid defense. These were all question marks going into the opener. This squad can compete in our division and hopefully in the conference, we'll see against a strong team next Sunday.
It was nice to see the special teams recover from a poor week last week. Solid coverage and a solid return game. The fake punt was executed better than any play the team has run all season. Turner has to be given some credit for the offensive adjustments in the 2nd half. Orton had no time to throw in the first but the protection or the routes were significantly better in the second half.
Final bit of praise, Kevin Payne is a solid player and I'm glad he's healthy and making plays.
What is up with all the journalists praising Rasheed in the preseason. He is either too slow or not a precise enough route runner to get open. 8 balls for what was supposed to be our #1. If Bennett was the most productive receiver in SEC history, how is it that he's not getting any PT. To be productive you have to get open, and you have to have great hands. Lets look past the preseason drops and give him some more looks.
Orton can't throw the deep ball, it will turn into interceptions or broken up passes all year. Cut it out and work on mid level passing.
Prevent defense doesn't prevent anything. Keep sending the blitz, I know the squad is gassed, but maybe they should've used another timeout to give them a breather.
September 22, 2008
#70 Urlacher FTW said . . .Damn! I'm nearly seventy phuckin' years old! I took two damn weeks of blood pressure pills last Sunday @ 'Lina, and yesterday. I love this team. It's all it got. But y'all caint keep this up. Y'all need to earn some W's and stop blownin' leads. After week 1, I thought this team was gonna win the division. This team could go 6-10 right now. We need a turnaround, NOW. Indy ain't no good no mo'. If this team can't fix things, Kyle, Rex, Jerry, Lovie, Ron, Bob -- need to find a new employer at the end of the season.
September 22, 2008
#71 jeff said . . .So Oaktown, you think the bears should spend money getting 2 big D-lineman and a QB to be more successful? So like.. Cleveland just did this year right? Ya that strategy is paying off huge for them. And yes clearly Urlacher and Briggs are way more intimidating to a QB, those other 2 guys are over 50 and dont even play anymore, duh.
September 22, 2008
#72 mikebdot said . . .what's up with the triple posts?
somebody clue me in.
September 22, 2008
#73 jdawg said . . .Sean: I always thought having timeouts left at the end of a half/game was a gross misuse of resources. Lovie is fucking terrible at being clever like this. Or, put another way, Lovie is not clever. He has no idea when to challenge plays. He always looks geniunely puzzled by what is happening. Know why? Cuz he is.
You know, one would think that prior to starting an overtime the coach would say something like "ok guys, no stupid penalties"...d'oh!
September 22, 2008
#74 zmac said . . .the only time I've ever posted twice I received an error message the fist time, even though my post had been posted.
September 22, 2008
#75 zmac said . . .Doesnt the Defense have alot to do with TOP as well by forcing 3 'n outs and turn overs.
You cant blame one side of the ball. I dont care where "we chose to spend our resources." Fine, dont make plays but at least dont turn it over for 6 points and in the red zone.
September 22, 2008
#76 jdawg said . . .#60: How is messing up early doing their job? You win by playing good football all game, not just a couple drives.
September 22, 2008
#77 zmac said . . .jeff -- I agree in terms of the money being spent on the D to be able to handle situations like yesteryday. I mean, you're talking TB scoring 10 points at the end of the game.
I'll also concede that there's enough blame to go around.
Isn't Mike Brown supposed to say "we suck" right about now?
September 22, 2008
#78 craig said . . .64: 24 Points...
minus 7 for the pick 6
minus 7 for the pick in the red zone
minus 3 for the FG off Briggs INT in which teh offense did nothingn.Thats 7 points
September 22, 2008
#79 Crown said . . .mikedbot, good point about snaps vs TOP. Worth thinking about...
Jeff, for what it's worth, I've always had problems with the commenting on this site, especially on heavy traffic days. Often, when I submit a comment, it hangs for up to a minute or more "waiting for www.noahbrier.com"... (sometimes I'm directed to a MoveableType error page). I can imagine that many people click "Save It" more than once because it takes so long.
September 22, 2008
#80 zmac said . . .I agree Sean. I was wondering why the hell Lovie didn't call a time out when the momentum changed after Peanut's penalty. They were running the no huddle and every layman fan could have seen that our D was tired and getting stomped on. That should have been clear to Lovie, especially after that play that Vasher didn't even line up against his receiver before the ball was snapped. Lovie always looks like a kid who lost his parents at Disney World. It fuckin pisses me off that he doesn't make adjustments when the momentum changes.
September 22, 2008
#81 jeff said . . .#50, it was at the 34... and I said basically in the red zone.
September 22, 2008
#82 craig said . . .interesting how people rush to find ways to punch holes in our offensive production and defend the never-shuts-their-mouth defense no matter what
September 22, 2008
#83 zmac said . . .Brilliant! On that very comment, it hung for over a minute and sprung the error page on me.
September 22, 2008
#84 jeremy34 said . . .81: I am not defending anyone, I am just saying the entire team is to blame here. Good teams take advantage of turn overs and dont commit big ones. Good teams also close out teams defensively and do not let journeymen QBs have their way with the secondary the last 1/8th of the game.
The team played well for about a half on either side of the ball. Both sides blew it just like in Carolina.
Jeff you were quick to blame 2 offensive turnovers last week... were there not 2 key offensive turnovers this week?
Both games should not have even been close. The Defense should have held up all game and the offensive should had taken advantage.
September 22, 2008
#85 Oaktown34luv said . . .I think the NFL needs to look at their policies of calling plays dead when someone comes close to fumbling, and then a call can't be reversed. And they need to look at when players punch opposing players in the face repeatably (spelling?) You got to keep your cool, but when you're playing a sport that involves what football players do, and you keep seeing someone hit someone, most people are going to hit back. I am not making excuses, I am speaking for every team. I know they go back and fine people, but maybe have a ref in a booth that can sort out who does the punching in the face first, it is always the guy that retalliates it seems. In another note, what good does it even do when a player on each team gets an unnecessary roughness call, the penalties negate each other, both players get a small fine, and neither has to leave the game. Maybe they need to look at kicking people out of that game for hitting other players after a play.
It's one thing to watch a horrible offense like we put up vs the Cowboys on Thanksgiving a few years ago, then it is another to watch us lose these last two games, especially this last one like we did. Let's hope we can bounce back. Go Bears.
September 22, 2008
#86 jeff said . . .UrFTW, I just want the Bears to commit to one thing or the other. Either get an aggressive, badass, you-can't-touch-this defense like we had back in the 80's (which requires BIG lineman), or spend some money on the other side of the ball. And I meant Singletary and Marshall in their prime (I thought that was obvious).
September 22, 2008
#87 Bill said . . .zmac, you can't judge turnovers based on the box score. the turnovers last week had a direct correlation to the flow of that game.
kyle was awful in the first half but i can't ask for our offense to do more than give us a ten point lead with seven minutes to go. if the defense doesn't play so god awfully bad, we'd all be singing the praises of orton-to-lloyd today.
September 22, 2008
#88 zmac said . . .jeremy34 - I thought of that too; that a replay official should sort out who started what and base penalties on that.
Still, even if that happened, there would have been offsetting penalties and the Bucs get another chance ot make a first down. I'd liek the think we'd stop them, but I don't see any real evididence that they would.
And for all the people still wanting to blame the offense - answer this honestly: which unit performed worse relative to expectations, talent, and percent of the salary cap consumed? Obviously it was the defense.
September 22, 2008
#89 BearsTransplant said . . .#86: Box score? You are telling me the pick 6 didnt affect the flow of the game? Olsens fumbles came in the 1st and 3rd quarters, only 1 resulted in points, the other in possible points lost... sound familiar?
I still am singing Lloyds praises. I think we found a go-to receiver who can catch a ball, even if its poorly thrown. Kyle has been singing Rash Davis' praises since pre-season saying he is his #1 guy, yet he cant catch a pass. Lloyd can not only catch a pass he can catch a badly thrown ball the probably shouldnt be caught.
September 22, 2008
#90 jeff said . . .We could probably win the NFC w/an actual #1 wideout. At this point, we're not good enough. We could still win this division; Lovie owns Green Bay, and Minnesota/Detroit are no competition (Minnesota has suprised me w/how bad they are)... but we're not good enough to win it all; not enough depth.
Lots of mistakes, but the pick-6 by Orton (the D-lineman standing in front of the damn running back) and the personal foul by Tillman take the cake. Yeesh.
Philly's defense has some damn playmakers. Jim Johnson will send the house after Orton. I don't see this one as turning out well. Only solace is that we might be facing Kevin Kolb (why the hell do you pronounce that "Cobb," anyways?) and C. Buckhalter, instead of McNabb and Westbrook. We'll see if it matters.
Bear down....
September 22, 2008
#91 zmac said . . .orton's pick 6 was arguably the worst play made by a quarterback in this uniform in years. but it made the game 14-9. they dominated the second half on both sides of the ball. it wasn't a game in the 4th quarter. i just don't get how a defense just falls apart.
and they do this often.
September 22, 2008
#92 bfos7215 said . . .90: Yes exactly it make the game 14-9, Bears were losing. If it doesnt happen there is no 4th quarter "comeback".
I dont see how you cannot blame both sides of the ball, especially when "Orton's pick 6 was arguably the worst play made by a quarterback in this uniform in years"
I guess agree to disagree on this.
September 22, 2008
#93 Phil from SATX said . . .91: Orton fanboyism is a factor.
September 22, 2008
#94 Tired?? The Season just started!! said . . .I knew I could count on you MikeB, to explain something everyone is missing (including you Jeff) - I said earlier that the TOP being so in favor of the Bears didn't jibe with the game I saw. Well MikeB gave the answer - it was the insane number of passing plays Griese had.
If Bears had a 39 to 31 minute TOP lead, which team would you have guessed had more offensive plays? WRONG! Tampa had 84 plays compared to the Bears 74 - nearly 15% more. THERE'S why it looked like the D was gassed - they were. It only looked like we had won the TOP, we really didn't. A passing play takes just as much out of a defense as a run play despite how many seconds run off the official game clock, and actually take more out - corners running, D line trying like hell to get to the QB - over and over again.
Sorry, you can't just say all the D had to do was make a stop. You can just as easily say all the O had to do was instead of going FOUR FOR FIFTEEN on third down (definition of futility) that they would have gone FIVE for fifteen, if that last first down had happened when it meant something.
Zmac, your point's right but your math is wrong - you can deduct the 7 for the pick 6 and the 3 for the gimme field goal which the D actually earned, but you can't deduct 7 that might have been - it's already off the board. And by the way Forte didn't inexplicably drop that ball, the defender made a good play and it was a stupid fucking call anyway by Turner. That was during the long stretch when if your name didn't end in 'orte you didn't get a chance at a ball. So the great offense actually contributed a net 14, and no that wasn't good enough.
4 for 15 says it all, at least for why you can't say this is all on the D, or even mostly on the D.
Crown, best line of the day (of many days in fact)
"Lovie always looks like a kid who lost his parents at Disney World."
PO'd, DON'T GO AWAY! We need you man.
To the whole blog, reading this day's posts was like therapy to me - I greatly enjoyed it. We can disagree on this - but I think everyone is really on the same page (maybe not those who say it's time to go back to Rex, which I certainly don't agree with). Both sides screwed up, and we are all concerned with the coaching. Agree like others here with Jeff's last paragraph.
Let's see what this crew is made of. They have the talent to be 3-0 against very good teams. That's why the two losses were tough, and that's also why there's reason for optimism - not to mention tied for second in division!
Final note - Did anyone see Metcalf out there in the first half? Might that have been a reason why the line looked so crappy? I saw Beekman out there in the second, and the line looked better. Anyone see this?
September 22, 2008
#95 Phil from SATX said . . .Dan Hampton was on the radio saying if this was back then they would be pulling sleds full of bricks around the field all day
Hire DITKA or COWHER!!!! and Toub to OC!! At least we wouldn't play soft and scaredSeptember 22, 2008
#96 Angry_bear_wants_blood said . . .And Jeff, you can't say that Orton's pick 6 was the worst in decades - you have scores of similar plays by Rex to choose from. The fact is, Orton's in there because he usually DOESN'T make plays like that. Nothing against Rex, but we've all seen equally stupid and worse from him, sometimes with multiple plays to choose from in the same game. Orton's still not the main problem. Where the hell is Bradley/Bennett?
RT get a clue!
September 22, 2008
#97 Shady said . . .Alrite what the fuck have we been doing to ourselves to be down soo much. Lets look on the bright side. WE are only 1 game behind Greenbay in our division. Whoohoooo..but hey lets not forget soo soon that fuckn Jeff who loves sucking on Orton's dick all nite long thinking yesterdays loss was alll too blame for defense, which I agree, but Man up and suck down Ortons dick! You think that piece of shit is going to get us to the playoffs??? Suck another Orton dick bitch. Jeff we all know you get your dick nice and hard by reading Larry Myer's post on chicagobears.com. Come we know you are a faggot to be wreckn with. Why dont you post yourself nude on yourwebsite and see if you rack in more subscribers? hey better yet why not show you your cock suckn skills with Orton!
Learn to write some more interesting posts of the bears maybe who knows you might do yourself some good.
Cocksucker!September 22, 2008
#98 angry_bear_wants_blood said . . .I think MikeB. brings up a good point about Rusty Jones, the Bears strength and conditioning coach. I haven't heard anything but wonderful things about this guy since he's been here, but if you look at last year (injuries) and this year (defensive stamina) you start to question how effective this guy really is. Is he using old school methods that don't work anymore? Who knows. Good point number 2 from B. was that Olin and Garza have looked AWFUL when pulling out to block a run or screen. Seriously, they're better off just getting out of Forte's way.
And PO'd, this site is actually pretty tame as far as insulting goes. Sure you get the bonehead who posts under different names, but the level of insulting isn't anywhere close to some other sites. Our boy Roy's site for example has a call in radio show, someone actually called up as "Shady" and pretended to be me. Can you believe it? Well, probably because people post as you on here, but everywhere you go there are going to be haters. Don't sweat it. Sure it sucks they can't articulate an argument and have to result to immature tactics, but that's the fan-world we live in nowadays. Try not to take it personally. People who want to be taken seriously on here have to post their ideas with legitimate arguments supporting their opinions. It's when people come on here and say shit just to piss you off, pun, that you have to look past it. One of the things that make this site great is the lack of censorship. Jeff and Co. have done a great job of allowing people to openly express their views through a wonderful medium. Sure there are "terrorists" out there that compromise our well-being and peace of mind, but when you start limiting the freedom on here is when those assholes win. Sorry about the ramble, but I have found a number of douche-bag Bears fans have found their way on the innerweb (especially at ourboyroy.com) and some of the things they say make it hard to believe we're actually associated. These guys make you look like a sweetheart. Hang in there man.
September 22, 2008
#99 Shady said . . .Alrite what the fuck have we been doing to ourselves to be down soo much. Lets look on the bright side. WE are only 1 game behind Greenbay in our division. Whoohoooo..but hey lets not forget soo soon that fuckn Jeff who loves sucking on Orton's dick all nite long thinking yesterdays loss was alll too blame for defense, which I agree, but Man up and suck down Ortons dick! You think that piece of shit is going to get us to the playoffs??? Suck another Orton dick bitch. Jeff we all know you get your dick nice and hard by reading Larry Myer's post on chicagobears.com. Come we know you are a faggot to be wreckn with. Why dont you post yourself nude on yourwebsite and see if you rack in more subscribers? hey better yet why not show you your cock suckn skills with Orton!
Learn to write some more interesting posts of the bears maybe who knows you might do yourself some good.
Cocksucker!September 22, 2008
#100 Phil from SATX said . . .OK maybe those fans at Roy's site have made their way over here, see post #96.
These guys make PO'd look like a Grossman hater.
Clearly this kid hasn't a clue.
September 22, 2008
#101 angry_bear_wants_blood said . . .5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
DELETE!
September 22, 2008
#102 Stop Coddling PO'd said . . .Who the hell is Roy, if you bitches don't know what I'm talking about then go take some english lessons in grammar. Better yet keep sucking on Jeff's dick till you gag yourself to death. Maybe you'll learn some football knowledge in your next life.
September 22, 2008
#103 angry_bear_wants_blood said . . .Are we reading the same blog comments? This is the same guy who was on here last week and repeatedly got into it with multiple people because they dared to have a different opinion on the QB situation. He came on last week and got into with Crown about how if KO did throw 200 yards and 2TDs, he'd bow down. The same guy who throws out the "I'm leaving now...this time for real" shit only to come back 4 times and check the comment board. Give me a break. He is both violently argumentative and intellectually weak, a toxic combination.
Save your trail of tears for a blog that cares...I'm tired of reading this numbskull come on and get all huffy week after week and can do without the drama.
September 22, 2008
#104 Stop Coddling PO'd said . . .Who the hell is Roy?, if you bitches don't know what I'm talking about then go take some english lessons in grammar. Better yet keep sucking on Jeff's dick till you gag yourself to death. Maybe you'll learn some football knowledge in your next life.
September 22, 2008
#105 pankster in nc said . . .Are we reading the same blog comments? This is the same guy who was on here last week and repeatedly got into it with multiple people because they dared to have a different opinion on the QB situation. He came on last week and got into with Crown about how if KO did throw 200 yards and 2TDs, he'd bow down. The same guy who throws out the "I'm leaving now...this time for real" shit only to come back 4 times and check the comment board. Give me a break. He is both violently argumentative and intellectually weak, a toxic combination.
Save your trail of tears for a blog that cares...I'm tired of reading this numbskull come on and get all huffy week after week and can do without the drama.
September 22, 2008
#106 mikebdot said . . .nfl network is about to show the unraveling part 2 of the bears.
September 22, 2008
#107 jeff likes jerking off to peoples comments!!!! said . . .Shady: Conditioning comment wasn't me. Just for posterity.
I don't think Orton did anything that would warrant benching him. That play by Orton was just as bad as Griese's pick to Payne and his almost pick to Vasher (zmac: what about THAT play? Nobody to even fight to get the ball, hit him right square in the hands. Want to blame the D? You HAVE to catch that ball in that situation.)
We had two long drives, that's why our TOP was higher. Plus we ran the ball a lot.
On this Forte business, there were a few plays where he could have had 25 yards and just didn't see it. It is due to the general suckage at Kreutz and Garza. The thing I like the most about Forte, though, is that he doesn't lose yards. Period. Which is why on 3rd and 2 to try to run out the clock you give the ball to the rookie. A bootleg? Seriously? What a stupid call. And you know what? If it had worked, I would still have said "wow, that was fucking stupid".
September 22, 2008
#108 jeff said . . .It's good to know what kind of blog blow job jeff has here. Too bad we all can't get along, but hey Jeff loves sucking on Ortons dick! keep it up maybe Sexy Rexy can join in with his cannon.
Vote for Jeff for Cock Sucker of the Day!!!!
www.cocksucker4theday.comSeptember 22, 2008
#109 UB said . . .dude, love the intensity. but i got kids on the site. gonna have to delete you.
September 22, 2008
#110 Shady said . . .There was alot of blame to go around.
But this blog is full of it. Jeff you missed the boat. Go back to you stool in NY and dream of you boy Kyle being broadway joe.
September 22, 2008
#111 BearDown1982 said . . .It smells like Mike in here.
September 22, 2008
#112 BearDown1982 said . . .Man oh man...lots of pissed off Bears fans today. And rightfully so. The fact that this team should be 3-0 and not 1-2 makes it even more depressing. That's the NFL though...you are often only a handful of plays from losing or winning any game.
Here is the most telling stat from yesterday: Griese threw 67 times and was not sacked once! I know he was throwing from 3 steps most of the time, but wow...how is that even possible.September 22, 2008
#113 jdawg said . . .Man oh man...lots of pissed off Bears fans today. And rightfully so. The fact that this team should be 3-0 and not 1-2 makes it even more depressing. That's the NFL though...you are often only a handful of plays from losing or winning any game.
Here is the most telling stat from yesterday: Griese threw 67 times and was not sacked once! I know he was throwing from 3 steps most of the time, but wow...how is that even possible.September 22, 2008
#114 enderwiggin said . . .come on.
We should reserve our anger for the Bears, not each other.
There's enough blame to go around, but the D did the bugs bunny fade, minus the sucker punch.
September 22, 2008
#115 Oaktown34luv said . . .In regards to~~ The tripple post.
Every once in a while when you make a post then hit save there is a huge lag spkie that may take up to several seconds. During this time you scroll down and dont see your post. So, naturally you scroll back up and hit post again(sometimes twice)
So, if we are all a tad bit more patient with either Jeff's server or our own computer then triple post will disappear for the most part. Thats my two cents(why the hell is that the only one of Jeffs questions that i've ever felt comfotable answering?)..
Just curious, but do you guys remember way back when and we had guys like Abe Gibron and the attitude was always like"Hey, we can't win every game. So the least we can do for our fans is Win all of our Fights!"
Maybe thats what we need is some crazy fire up under the ass to get these guys going. For some reason i remember watching the bears lose and it didn't matter who the coach was, they would throw thier clipboard, chew someone out, kick the benches, or whatever. And everytime that would happen i would feel a little better because it gave me hope for the next week.Not anymoreSeptember 22, 2008
#116 Shady said . . .Yeah Lovie's stoneface act is getting real old. Kick some ass out there Lovie! These guys need it!
September 22, 2008
#117 zmac said . . .Robbie Gould said it best: "We're beating teams, but we're killing ourselves."
This team is playing well enough to win ballgames, it's the mental errors that have been the problem. If they can erase the brain farts they're 3-0! There is hope for this team, we know they have the talent, they just have to put it together for 60 mins and it's up to the players and coaching staff to get it done!
September 23, 2008
#118 zmac said . . .Phil from SATX: We were taking point away for Olsens fumble in the red zone, makes sense to me to take away for a pick near the red zone.
I agree that the defender made a good play, but I dont think it was a terrible call. Had Orton led Forte it would had been a touchdown. The ball was terribly under thrown.
September 23, 2008
#119 marc said . . .Chase Daniel anyone?
September 23, 2008
#120 shonbear said . . .I HONESTLY BLAME OUR COACHES FOR NOT BETTERING OUR PLAYERS, MAKING THE RIGHT ADJUSTMENTS, AND STUPID PLAY CALLING!!!
GO BEARS 10-6 THIS SEASON
September 23, 2008
#121 Shady said . . .I'm not in agreement with it being on the D, yes it was the D, it was everything, these guys need to play mistake free football on all sides of the ball. No, they probably aren't going to be perfect, but they need to limit those mistakes to not being critical ones. That goes for the coaching staff too. When they saw that our offense couldn't handle the no huddle, something needed to happen, a change needed to be made, a timeout needed to be called SOMETHING!
So they got us in the no huddle at the end of regulation, then they do it again in the OT, between those two periods we hadn't learned anything about how to handle it. Seems like maybe they were only tired because of that No huddle, not because they don't have conditioning. The first no huddle at the end of regulation seemed more like prevent defense, but it doesn't take away from the fact we didn't get a sack during the game, I saw Griese get hit pretty hard a few times, but no sacks.
So I'm saying that OK the D failed along with the O (I refuse to let go of the offensive woes. Those poor passes that don't allow for "yards after the catch" really upset me, sometimes when they could get yards after the catch receivers were running out of bounds. It just looked to me that we have offensive opportunities that get left so often it's majorly frustrating. I don't think that Rex is the answer yet, because sure, he's acurately hitting some of these guys, but he is also getting happy feet because the defenses are going to attack him differently than they do Kyle, so with his good comes the unknown bad. Rex can't compare with Kyles pocket presence, I'd say that we may have seen a glimpse of Kyles potential in those couple drives and if he can improve his accuracy just a little, we could surprise some folks.
Anyways I've been posting recently on the accountability factor with the coaching staff and the player failure, and it's been stated that the coaches arent making adjustments and that Lovie always has the deer in the headlights look. This is what I've been talking about. It's the heart of the issue. The players need to take matters into their own hands and get beyond it, there will be no changes there, these coaches think they are making the right choices because they are too arrogant or naive to change. Their thoughts are either that they think their game plans are perfect and the players just need to execute without mistakes or that everything they have ever done has been successful and led them to this point, so since the past we were successful why change anything. Players change, get older, get hurt, you have rookies to develop, YOU CHANGED OVER HALF YOUR OFFENSE!!! etc...
This is a coaching problem, lack of leadership, inspiration, emotion, planning, personnel usage, accountability for poor play, play calling on both sides of the ball (DEFENSE: prevent, stunts, attack the QB, OFFENSE: lack of using WR, timing of running plays or long passes rather choosing to sustain a drive)
SO I AM QUOTING YOUR MOST IMPORTANT STATEMENT:
"As far as I'm concerned, Sunday is exactly what you are until I see evidence otherwise. A poorly coached group of gutless guys who don't know that acting tough after the whistle blows doesn't show up in the box score. They are their coach's team. They are the mirror image of Lovie Smith. Passive at crunch time. Painfully inept with the game on the line."
If the coaches don't change, then neither will the team, we may have reached our plateau with the current coaches, the stars alligned themselves and we had a good run, we still have a lot more talent on this team than most will give us credit for, so we will get some wins that maybe will surprise some because of that, but in the long run unless there is some kind of fundamental emotional/inspirational mental shift in the way the coaches operate, this thing may be lost for some time. If we squeak into the playoffs based on the weak division and talented players, we may be destined to continue with these coaches and the inability to make changes because they will think they have always made the right choices so there is no need to change. Lovie is no Dungie and put it together, Dungie would have never won a Super Bowl without Manning, just like Gruden would have never won a Super Bowl without Dungie's defense.
Well we don't have the "Manning" factor, so let's move on and hope that these coaches show us something and do something with this team and keep the hope alive for some success in the Eagles game that can carry them through for the rest of the season.
September 23, 2008
#122 jeremy34 said . . .That is a passionate Bears fan right there.
September 23, 2008
#123 jeremy34 said . . .Making false, derogatory remarks towards others online is for the weak, especially using another name.
Same goes for such bad language. Grow up people.
September 23, 2008
#124 Michael L said . . .Lovie Smith and Angelo transformed this team, we wouldn't be where we are at now because of them. Maybe a few could have done better but not most. People are always quick to turn on the coaches when they lose, especially in the nfl, you are right, we did have a good run, but let's not start planning with a new regime just yet. I don't know if I buy in to this the team is uninspired. Urlacher isn't the guy he was five years ago, but I think he still wants to win. We resigned most of our pro bowlers this off season and they are likely less hungry, but they still want to win. I'm rambling, but when you make it to the superbowl and lose, it is always hard to come back from that the next couple years. Anway, we will come back, we have shown we are a good football team in three games despite the 1 and 2 record, hopefully they keep telling that to the players but I think they know they are good anyway, and will win most games. Bear Down.
September 23, 2008
#125 Michael L said . . .Thanks for the posts and the site Jeff.
Obviously we can't have Tillman losing his cool like that, that's simply unacceptable. I was really upset though when I saw the replays of Trueblood pounding on and holding down Ogunleye -- BEFORE there was a pile-up -- and I would really like to see the league hand down a suspension and fine.
The worst part of this is that he has admitted he started the fight, perhaps as a calculated move -- http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/buccaneers/orl-bucstalk2208sep22,0,7285187.story [2nd para].
That said, they need to be immune to this sort of thing. I'm reminded of a laughing Jerramy Stevens back in 2006 as he got kneed in the balls. who despite being a punk, still kept his cool and smilingly watched the other player get ejected.
I hate cheap shots on defenseless guys getting rewarded, and I find it rather disturbing that the Chicago media isn't doing its part by shining a light on this. Worse yet, the post-game coverage even took his explanation at face value (which he proves was uncalled for in the article above, and which replays demonstrate was in fact dirty) and let it become the storyline the rest of the nation heard. This just pisses me off -- do we have the crappiest sports media in Chicago or what?
Yes, I'm as pissed as the next guy (believe me) at the 2nd straight meltdown, but how about some support guys (CST/Trib/etc) along with the (justified) critiques? Meanwhile, Lovie get your guys under control -- the fans deserve better than this.
(I have other thoughts on the game and your points, but I'll save that for another comment.)
September 23, 2008
Ah, at least one Chicago journalist seems to care. Thank you Vaughn McClure:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-23-bears-chicagosep23,0,3513738.story
I don't know what a "soft swing" to a guy lying on the ground is, but at least he tried. An earlier version of this story had a different (Bears are whiners/sore losers) headline, but this one is much better.
September 23, 2008
Here at DaBearsBlog, you are free to kill us or the Bears as you so wish. You are not free, however, to be an asshole. So if you spew racism or ill-meaning foul language (cursing about football is just fine) or anything of that ilk, your comments ain't gonna last long, jerk.
