The Arizona Republic is reporting that Anquan Boldin is now officially available in a trade.
Here are the questions to be discussed (and here are my answers):
Question #1 Do the Bears have enough to acquire him?
Yes. Just for the sake of argument, what if the Bears offered Arizona the rest of their draft? Every pick they have remaining in the 2009? Would Arizona accept that offer? I'm leaning towards "absolutely". Arizona would gain a fleet of young athletes and the Chicago Bears would solidify the wide receiver position for the next five years.
Question #2 Can the Bears afford to relinquish an entire draft?
I think we can and here's why. Take out the second choice, inevitably spent on a wide receiver, and we're left with a series of day two selections. Jerry has shown a knack for nailing a pick or two late but who among us - including JA - would rather score on a 5th round corner than pair his All-Pro quarterback with a tough-as-nails number one wide receiver?
Question #3 Can the Bears sign him to the long-term deal he requires?
Yes. Will they? Different story.
Question #4 Are the Bears capable of making their fans THIS happy?
My God, can you imagine it?
#2 Urlacher FTW said . . .Pull the trigger JA now!!!
!st Bears NationApril 16, 2009
#3 jeff said . . .A. We can't trade away the rest of our draft picks.
B. We shouldn't have to.Our 2,4 should be enough and if not throw in a fifth. we have an untradeable 3rd and 7th. Boldin is good, but he's no Fitz and not worthy of a whole draft of picks.
April 16, 2009
#4 Phantom One said . . .we can trade the rest of our draft.
roy williams got more than 2,4
April 16, 2009
#5 Phantom One said . . .Thanks for getting back to your stated mission.
April 16, 2009
#6 enderwiggin said . . .My gut tells me that the Giants are going to be all over this, and they will take the same position Angelo took in terms of getting the deal for Cutler done: "be in it to win it."
I agree that when the bidding begins, we need to pull a Ditka. Go so far over the top that other teams will question our sanity.
JA - It's time to call Virginia.
April 16, 2009
#7 Northside Superfan said . . .Help me get this straight.. Bears can't trade one 3rd, one 5th, and two 7th round picks. This means they can trade one 2nd, one 4th, one 5th, and one 6th?
If thats the case, I'm guessing that would be enough to get Boldin, although i believe the Cards would probably get a better offer.
I think i would rather trade one pick and one player(not sure what Az needs) and let JA work some late round magic.
Better yet, keep all of our picks and do what you recomended in previous post and get Holt now. I realise the Holt is not Boldin, but draft a WR or two and let holt mentor the lot of 'em! I realy hope #23 is the answer.. #23 has been good to the city of Chicago in the past.April 16, 2009
#8 Dave Duerson said . . .Love the enthusiasm, Jeff, but it ain't gonna happen. In addition to the fact that we have three untradable picks, there will be better offers out there. Plus we need a few things with those late-round picks...a safety, an edge rusher, maybe a young LB to groom...
April 16, 2009
#9 Shady said . . .I'd love to have Boldin and I don't want to rain on the parade but I can't imagine that there's any way we could get him. We can't trade the compensatory picks (#99, #246, #251) by rule. That makes the best offer #49, #119, #140, #154, and #190 which is worth 547 in trade value according to the standard chart. That is worth less than the 35th pick in the draft. This can be easily outbid by many teams including the Giants who would probably give up their number 1 for Boldin. Now we could throw in next year's #2 pick which would put us over the top in terms of trade value, but if I were the Cardinals, I would rather take the Giants first because you can still probably get a high tier WR with that this year and they are playing for this year. Unfortunately, even if Jerry wanted to, I don't think he has the chips to pull this off.
April 16, 2009
#10 enderwiggin said . . .OK - We're all a bit drunk on Da Bears Kool-Aid right now. The Arizona Cardinals are not going to give up Boldin for the Bears' 2nd, 4th, two 5ths and a 6th for Boldin!!
Look at the value chart, the Bears remaining 2009 draft picks only add up to what is considered equal to an early 2nd round selection, which means if they wanted, in theory, the Bears could trade up for a guy like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt if a guy like that fall to the early 2nd about where they're expected to go. Would anyone WANT the Bears do do that?
If you take a look at this Washington Post article:
You'll see that there is speculation the Cards would want at least a 1st and 3rd and possibly more. This would have to be another Cutler-Type of deal the Bears just can't afford to make... I think... Right?
By the way in case you were wondering why I left the Bears 4th and pair of 7th round picks out of the valuation is because those were compensatory selections which were awarded and cannot be traded.
April 16, 2009
#11 BearsTransplant said . . .Also Shady, i think one of the 5th rounders is from the Cutler deal. that also can not be traded.
April 16, 2009
#12 Duff Diggler said . . .I got it. New York needs corners. Nathan Vashar + 2nd rounder to the Giants, Antonio Pierce and a 3rd rounder to the Cardinals, Boldin to the Bears. Throw in a 5 and a 7 just for fun. Still leaves a 3rd rounder and a few more picks. I know Pierce just turned 30, but he's been incredibly consistent for the Giants. Arizona needs help with their front 7, especially up the middle, much more than they need Boldin w/Larry Fitz turning into a slower, stronger Randy Moss. You heard it here first. Git R DUN JERRY!
PS: I'm naming my first kid Jerry Jay Cuter Urlacher Ditka Oliver. Regardless of the gender.
April 16, 2009
#13 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Speaking of the draft value chart, lets do some numbers for the nay-sayers on the cutler trade. Those who say we spent too much. Factor not JAs 1st rd history and the fact we got a FRANCHISE FUCKING QB!!!!!!............
If Cutler was in this draft (knowing what we know now about him), he would go 1st. period. point value: 3000
I'll give Orton (knowing what we know now about him) the benefit of the doubt, and have him go off the board with the 11th pick in the second round (43rd overall) **generous**. This is where we might differ the most, but that's just where I'd have him. point value: 470
We gave Denver our 18th overall pick. With the addition of Cutler, we are better, but again, i'll give the benefit of the doubt, and say that our 1st round pick next year, that we gave denver, won't be later (prolly more like 20-25th), be remain 18th overall... point value: 18th x 2= 1800
Our third we gave them (84th). point value: 170
The fifth we got from them (140th). point value: 23.4
Totals:
Cutler+140th= 3023.4
1st+1st+3rd+KO= 2440
difference= 583
closest pick to value 583= 2nd rd, pick#1 (580)we win. #s don't lie bitches.
source- http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.phpanybody disagree with my values???
April 16, 2009
#14 big rob said . . .I think we should let the idiots on 4 letter network and in Denver say what they want, Cutler is better, and worth it Period.
April 16, 2009
#15 enderwiggin said . . .I absolutely agree with your answer to question 1.
Yes we may find a stud in the draft... the chances are 50/50... Boldin is a proven player and he's tough as nails....
If this happened I will literally shit myself... I will shit all over myself....
April 16, 2009
#16 Duff Diggler said . . .Thanks for the values Duff. good job on those. The only thing i disagree with is NeckBeard's value. 43? Look at his record in Soldier Field. that alone makes him first round easy. im guessing somewhere in the 10-15th pick range.
Don't get me wrong im sure Cutler is a lock at #1 pick and we got the better deal. But your spread of 583 points is a bit high. Right now i'm considering that swap EvenSteven.April 16, 2009
#17 Duff Diggler said . . .btw, i think JAs chance to "hit lightning in a bottle" in the later rounds, plus our lack of defense make any possibilty of getting Boldin erroneous. It's just not going to happen. Don't buy into the media saying we have no receevers!
1. We'll have a new one at 49th overall.
2. We haven't seen what Riddeau and Bennett can do (even Hester for that matter). I have a feeling about those guys. Plus they all got better a week or so ago when our messiah ((JC) coincidence??? I THINK NOT) came.
3. I know there are a handful of game-changing WRs out there, but the fact of the matter is that they touch the ball 5-10 times a game. All the rest are a dime-a-dozen.April 16, 2009
#18 BearDown11 said . . .*spelling, i know......*
April 16, 2009
#19 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Sorry guys I wanna go back to this bullshit of us possibly finishing anywhere from 9-7 to 13-3. All the idiots dont realize that we went 9-7 last year in spite of:
1. KO's second half season decline
2. Terrible pass rush or lack there of
3. Babich as DC
4.Lack of consistency at WR
5. Def meltdowns (ATL,TB,GB,MIN, HOU)Despite all that, we came up a game short of the playoffs and still finished with a winning record. It was a huge step forward considering this team never gets any love from most media outlets and noboby picked us to do shit last year.Im not saying im content, im pleased with the progess we made in spite of those things I listed above. Any thoughts?
April 16, 2009
#20 BearDown11 said . . .I completely agree. i thought last season was a step in the right direction, even with all the major miscues.
and with serious coaching changes to spotlight on our mistakes, and Babich being demoted to DC, we all know it's Lovie's D again... should limit meltdowns for us.
if you half our D meltdowns, we finish last year 12-4, and we wind the Div.
i think with everything that has happened, even minus a legit shining star #1 WR, we still make a serious run in the direction of the Superbowl.
April 16, 2009
#21 BearDown11 said . . .Going through all that shit last season with the players that we had and the injuries we suffered and the guys that were forced into starting roles that maybe should have been on the bench ..........gives me so much fucking hope that even with Ko still as our starter, I would expect a double digit win season. Now, add JC to the mix and throw in games against
DET,STL,CLE,SEA,CIN,SF.........IT SHOULD BE A TEAM GOAL TO WIN NO LESS THAN 10-12 GAMES RIGHT NOW.April 16, 2009
#22 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .And whats with all the negitivity? The majority seems to think we are gonna lose to GB opening night. What the fuck is that about? They rolled us last year up there but make no mistake, this is not the same offense that they will face. Unfortunately, it is the same D! Why do the fucking Packers and ViQueers get so much love yet we split the seris last yr?
ONE THING TO MAKE CLEAR. EVERYONE IS BUSY WORRYING ABOUT WHO WE ARE PLAYING AND WHEN WE GET THEM AND WHERE AND HOW TOUGH ITS GOING TO BE AND ALL THAT SHIT.
WELL....HERE'S A MEMO TO ALL.
THE LEAGUE NOW NEEDS TO BE WORRIED ABOUT PLAYING US. FUCK 'EM BEARDOWN
April 16, 2009
#23 Joseph said . . .Punish the Pack
Destroy Detroit
Maul Minnesotalot of negativity about the Pack. and, a lot of obvious picks for losses, which is what all the skill-less people would pick, like Pit, who i think we can beat,
and Arizona!? are you kidding me folks?A. how good were we after losing the superbowl?
B. they almost finsihed 8-8 last year, thats not that good
C. see B.April 16, 2009
#24 Idonije said . . .We need Big Physical Corners next. I'm sorry but Peanut and Vasher don't scare me if i'm a pass happy team. Mybe it was the scheme, mybe it wasn't enough pass rush...but our corners aren't feared by the rest of the league.
April 16, 2009
#25 Adam said . . .Colin Cowherd love him or hate him, was talking about the new schedule on his radio show. Cowherd said that he loves the Bears schedule, and thanks its layout most definitely favors them in the NFC north.(Largely do to playing the Steelers early and the ravens sandwiched between to home games)
Some people don't really care for him, but last year he said Miami's schedule really favored them, and Clevelands schedule would kill them.
April 16, 2009
#26 big rob said . . .I applaud Angelo for making Cutler happen, but the odds of the Bears landing Boldin are about 10,000 to 1. And that's being generous.
April 16, 2009
#27 zisk said . . .sweet vid
http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1412&play_clip=Y&rn=1
April 16, 2009
#28 Urlacher FTW said . . .No way will the bears bring in boldin. If new york wants to (and they will) they will be able to beat us to him. But that eliminates one team that realy needs a wide reiciever. The browns and bengals will find less interest for braylon and ocho cinco. Hopefully the interest for these guys tanks and jerry can get a relatively good deal.
April 16, 2009
#29 Urlacher FTW said . . .Again Jeff, we can't trade our whole draft as nearly half our picks are UNTRADEABLE.
I don't think I'd start throwing in next year's day 1 picks either. One of the main reasons they are shopping him is that they already have a lot of cap tied up in Fitz at WR. So I would assume they are wanting to move salary around to possibly defense. I would hope we package some of this year's picks with a defensive player at a spot they have huge needs. We have like 7 DTs, send them a couple of those.
April 16, 2009
#30 Phantom One said . . .kind of a neat video watching the Bears QBs practice. Basanez looks pretty darn accurate in the net drills.
http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1412&play_clip=Y&rn=1
April 16, 2009
#31 Urlacher FTW said . . .THINK BIG.
We will end up with one of these three receivers and lose some draft picks:
1. Anquan Boldin
2. Chad Johnson (did he really change his name?)
3. Braylon EdwardsOr one of these receivers and keep our draft picks:
1. Matt Jones
2. Plaxico Burress
3. Torry Holt
3. Joe JeriviciousWhy? Because JA wants it to happen.
April 16, 2009
#32 Urlacher FTW said . . .Even if we could trade all our picks, which we can't the 2 scenarios we could have would be -
A.) Matt Jones + a top 10 WR from college + a young promising FS + a sleeper WR + a promising young DE + a sleeper QB + a blocking FB + another DE + a CB
or
B.) Anquan Boldin
A - helps our receiving corps and addresses a the ton of other needs we have on Defense, you know that part of the game that got us most of our losses in 08.
B - invests the farm to give us a great QB - WR duo.... on a running football team.We still have a ton of needs that haven't been addressed, WR, FS, DE being most pressing. Boldin was taken in round 2 (54th)... we have the 49th pick. TO was taken in round 3. There will be talent left, we just have to find it.
If we trade for Boldin I hope we trade RT for their OC because even if we had Fitzgerald Lovie has said we are still going to be a running team. Angelo is done for a couple years.
April 16, 2009
#33 BDG said . . .Jeff - I think you need to apply to write for chicagobears.com. They have the lamest crap there lately. Honestly, now with Forte and Cutler 2 of our set in stone positions are RB and QB but some of the few updates in the past couple of days are writing about Stafford and Moreno, who f'n cares? Write about things relevant to us please.
April 16, 2009
#34 JCK said . . .I think we would be totally crazy to give up the rest of our picks for Boldin. Even if ARI would do it which Ifeel they couldn't because they could never have the roster space to use all of ours and there draft picks. Look Boldin is a very good WR but we are not 1-2 players from being a consistent super bowl contender right now. Almost but not yet. If we got Boldin we would have a HUGE amount of our salary cap tied up in him and what ever deal we soon give Cutler. We have too many needs to fill to give up the picks also. We have to have some S,DL,WR, and I think a young LB. Those late round picks are JA's specialty.
April 16, 2009
#35 BDG said . . .There is no way Arizona gives up Boldin without at least a first round pick. A second round pick and some scraps just won't get it done. Sorry, I'd love to see it happen but I'm being realistic.
April 16, 2009
#36 BDG said . . .Plus our ST took a step back last year and the later rounds are where you get these guys.
Speaking of ST.Can we please get rid of Rashied Davis already. The more I think about him the more I want him gone. He got his chance last year. It's time to give Rideau his. Rashied does nothing for us on ST anymore. Now we have depth at returner and he is too small to help out in the return game as a blocker. He also will be 30 at the beginning of the season. Where's the upside here? Time to move on and give up the roster spot. Rideau seemed willing on ST and he's 6'3" 200. a lot better size than Davis.April 16, 2009
#37 Duff Diggler said . . .I think ARI would jump all over a 1 and a 2 from somebody. If it was a decent 1 they almost have to take it. They already have guys in place to take over for Boldin in Breaston and they drafted that Early Ducet a couple years ago. ARI can only afford to pay so much to a QB and 2 WR's.I bet Boldin does get traded this year Eagles have a lot of ammo.
April 16, 2009
#38 Grubowski said . . .enderwiggin, so ur sayin u'd give up a 10th overall pick for KO?????
April 16, 2009
#39 Fresno,CA BEAR FAN said . . .Lets not get Redskins crazy here.
I'd rather pick up a second tier free agent WR in the interim. Give Jerry Angelo a chance to understand the dynamics of a Bears offense led by Culter, figure out where our offensive holes will really be and what type of WR would best fit the system.
April 16, 2009
#40 enderwiggin said . . .yea foreal Jeff...try to write for the Bears website.....no disrespect to larry mayer but his stories are becoming awful!
April 16, 2009
#41 enderwiggin said . . .Knowing what I know about KO.. yes, i'd say hes definately worth a 10-15 pick. Think about it. If a qb goes 15-2 at home, any team that needs a qb would pursue him.
April 16, 2009
#42 Fresno,CA BEAR FAN said . . .thankfully we don't
April 16, 2009
#43 Fresno,CA BEAR FAN said . . .friendly contest by our QB's
April 16, 2009
#44 Duff Diggler said . . .http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1412&play_clip=Y&rn=4
April 16, 2009
#45 Max said . . .Right on. i respectfully disagree. The fact is, his home record is skew from the defense, especially his rookie year. As long as he didn't turn it over, they won. He is a statue, somewhat injury prone, and he can't make all the throws. I love him, but there's no way I'd give up a first rounder for Kyle Orton.
April 16, 2009
#46 Duff Diggler said . . .Phatom, I know Matt Jones is a big, physical receiver. But he did absolutely nothing in Jacksonville. I do not see the obsession with him. Especially after another drug bust.
I would much rather take Brandon Lloyd or D.J. Hackett or even Amani Toomer before taking Jones.
And no way Arizona gives up Boldin for anything less than a first round pick. Period
April 16, 2009
#47 JCK said . . .Boldin will be a giant. We have a better shot at Edwards. Cleveland might take a little less than equal value for him due to his drops last year (which i think will be at least cut in half this year) and the fact that Crabtree will be on the board at 5. They're gonna make room for him. EDWARDS is far more realistic. I'll bet we could give something like our 2nd, 4th, and a 4th next year for him.
April 16, 2009
#48 Urlacher FTW said . . .As much as I appreciate Orton, there is no way he is worth a mid-first round pick.
April 16, 2009
#49 Urlacher FTW said . . .Duff - KO is not injury prone.. missing one game due to a twisted ankle in 4 seasons isn't even close to injury prone especially with some of the lines hes had to stand behind.
Also you playing the known commodity card by saying Cutler would be the first QB chosen, well yah but known commodity KO would be the next QB chosen; regardless of how KO looks in a football helmet he is bigger than either Stafford or Sanchez and has a proven winning record in the NFL, you don't need to throw situationals in KO wins games period. So if he is the second QB picked Cutler goes to Detroit and Orton would go 10, 12, 17, or 19 at the latest. With this years draft picks and so many teams needing a QB Orton would go in round one. You can't use the scenario to prove Cutler's worth as a draft pick and then not use the same idea with KO.Noone will ever know if the move was truly worth it, even after 2 years and looking at who Detroit picks in those slots, won't guarantee that is who we would have picked there. And point value to a slot is BS anyway, using that chart means that Ryan Leaf is equal in trade value to John Elway; probably not.
April 16, 2009
#50 JCK said . . .*Denver's picks not Detroit.
#47 - Grossman isn't worth a 1st round pick either but that's what he cost.
April 16, 2009
#51 Urlacher FTW said . . .KO being a known commodity doesn't boost him into the top of the first round I'm afraid. He does have an overall winning record but half of those wins came in 2005 when the Bears had the best D in the NFL. Orton was a game manager at best that year. I'd be willing to bet more GMs would roll the dice on Stafford or Sanchez than take a proven Orton at this point.
April 16, 2009
#52 Duff Diggler said . . .Even if he was 3rd in this years draft he'd still go round one. He finished 08 with better stats than Rothlesberger, Delhomme, and Flacco.
Most draft classes you could say he would slide but not in this one, there is noone in it Stafford and Sanchez are not nearly the QB that even Flacco was.April 16, 2009
#53 NittyGritty34 said . . .idk about sanchez, but i'm definently taking stafford over orton....
April 16, 2009
#54 Duff Diggler said . . .Something nobody's mentioned. Why would Arizona send Boldin to two teams they have a good chance to meet in the playoffs next year, one of which just got a pro bowl qb? He's going to the AFC. There's nobody I'd rather see in a bears uni, due to his toughness, but it aint gonna happen. If they do trade within conference, they are stupid stupid cardinals.
April 16, 2009
#55 Urlacher FTW said . . .and i said "somewhat" injury prone. as in slightly....
April 16, 2009
#56 JCK said . . .I just wish these teams would start forcing players to fulfill the contract they sign. Make him play two more years and shut up. Even with Urlacher and Harris, Ive always felt like, if you think you are underpaid I guess you shouldn't have signed the damn contract.
April 16, 2009
#57 Phantom One said . . ."Stafford and Sanchez are not nearly the QB that even Flacco was." I'm not sure I understand this comment. Are you saying S & S won't be as good Flacco in the pros? Are you saying Flacco is a known commodity compared to unproven Stafford & Sanchez? Or are you saying Stafford & Sanchez now compared to Flacco coming out of college last year?
April 16, 2009
#58 Phantom One said . . .Max -
I think Matt Jones would come cheap, and has a ton of upside. He needs leadership, and we have that in our locker room.
April 16, 2009
#59 Urlacher FTW said . . .You may get a kick out of this article from Fox Sports' John Czarnecki grading the drafts from 2003-2008:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9453994/Draft-review:-How-every-team-ranks-from-2003-'08
April 16, 2009
#60 Urlacher FTW said . . .56 - I am saying that neither QB is as "NFL ready" as people said Flacco was in 08. Then Orton did better than Flacco, so Orton is more than likely a better option than either of them especially starter ready. Stafford is the only guy ppl say is ready and he has size issues. These 2 weren't even confident enough in their own ability to play a senior season in college and you want one to start for you in the NFL?
Orton is 11-7 in 07-08 with Badbitches awful defenses and 10-5 with the 05 Bears, no glaring difference and he's still a winner if you trow out his rookie season.
April 16, 2009
#61 JCK said . . .Phantom that was a neat reaad but I think he pulled the grades out of his ass.
Chicago has 11 starters and 4 probowlers and scores a B-
Pittsburgh has 9 starters and 2 probowlers and scores an A? That seems off, I understand Big Ben and Polomalu and the rings but still if we are just rating the draft on the stats he is listing, it would seem Chicago would score better than Pitt.
April 16, 2009
#62 Urlacher FTW said . . .I'm not sure I agree with your Flacco in '07 vs' Stafford and Sanchez this year. My guess is Stafford and sanchez would still be rated higher. Regarding Orton, throwing out his first year would still give him a winning record yes but drops the sample data size considerably and really doesn't tell the whole story. He's had one good year which was last year, his 4th in the league, regardless whether he was backup and 3rd string for half of it. His numbers were slightly better than Flacco's but JF was a rookie. Not a fair comparison.
April 16, 2009
#63 Urlacher FTW said . . .Of course it isn't fair, neither is throwing Cutler into the draft against them? The whole scenario is unfair, the point value was never meant to be used to validate players value in trades. It was made to evaluate moves to positions and the value within that draft alone. Once people start using it to evaluate trades involving players, it just looks silly. It is like talking about a QBs record when the opposing team doesn't score much.. stupid.
But still using this stupid scenario, Orton as a known commodity in 08 (which is how they are using Cutler, Pro-bowl, yada yada yada) was a better QB than Flacco who was a first round pick. Better than Grossman who was a first round pick. Better than Roth who was a first round pick. With no first round senior QBs avail in the draft and a host of teams looking for starter, Orton would go in the first round this year, most other years probably not. You can argue til your blue in the face but if Orton were to enter the draft and be known to come out playing like he did in 08, he would be a Jet.
April 16, 2009
#64 Bears<3 Forever said . . .The bottom line is if Cutler doesn't go to the Pro-Bowl in 09 this deal was a bust. He was expensive as hell I don't care what someone's calculator says about value of picks, if he doesn't play like a Pro-Bowl QB in '09, '10 and sign up for the long haul with us - we got screwed.
It is really at the situation now where Boldin - a huge need is now out of our reach because of the amount we spent on Cutler which while an upgrade, was much more of a luxury upgrade than a need.
We could have got Boldin for a first and a third, so if you want to recalculate Cutler's cost you might want to say he cost us Orton, Boldin , and a '10 #1 - is it still a great deal? Personally I'd rather have Orton and the draft pick back and upgrade the WR corps with Boldin but I guess that is just me.
April 16, 2009
#65 The Ghost of Halas said . . .The Cards arent letting Boldin go unless they get atleast one 1st round pick which we dont have...i agree as long as we are smart about our 2nd round pick we should be alright with out boldin even though it would be sweet! LETS GO BEARS
April 16, 2009
#66 I think we're still drunk said . . .Jeff, usually you are right on the money. I've been a devoted follower of yours for several months now. But I have to ask, are you out of your mind?
Trade away the rest of the Draft for a whiny wide out? I would prefer signing one of the EXTREMELY talented free agents still available.
That is ludacris, sir. Yeah, Ditka did it. What did it get him? Three DISMAL seasons.
If we trade away the draft, how do you propose we fix the glaring deficiencies on defense? How do we justify that?
HORRIBLE business decision.
April 16, 2009
#67 Anonymous said . . .Everyone who wants to trade the rest of teh draft for one player needs to take some time and sober up from the Jay Cutler trade. Even with Boldin we still have holes in the team that are only going to get worse with time (D-line, safety, O-line). Boldin isn't going to make our outside pass rushers get to the qb or our safeties play like NFL caliber safeties so cool it. Building through free agency is just not what happens in the NFL so we need to take some time and sober up so we're not making foolish statements like this.
April 16, 2009
#68 Decatur Staleys #7 said . . .Can we stop talking about the damn Neckbeard. He is worth a 3rd rd pick, nothing more. He sucks!! If you like him so damn much, go root for him and his clipboard holding ability in Denver. And Orton is not better than Flacco, not even close!
Supposing he was available to draft, why the hell would the Jets take him at 17? They already have 3 game managing KO clones. Why would they need a 4th?
Lovie knows he sucks, JA knows he sucks, everyone who knows anything about the NFL knows he sucks.
Why do you think it took so much to get Cutler? Cause Orton was worth maybe 200 to 300 trade value points and Cutler was worth around 2500 to 3000.
Go on a Broncos blog and change your name to WoodyardFTW and talk up Orton on there, cause Bear fans do not care about him anymore.
"Jay is our quarterback."April 16, 2009
#69 JCK said . . .Here's some video from Da Site of the QB's throwing to the WR's
http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1412&play_clip=Y
enjoy!
April 16, 2009
#70 Phantom One said . . .I don't mean to drag this discussion on and on, nor do I want my face blue but if Orton were to enter the draft this year, he doesn't get picked before Stafford and Sanchez. I know the two college guys are unknown but the entire draft is a "what if". What if Stafford and Sanchez turn out great. We already know Orton. He's not great and is entering his 5th year in the league. He did good and didn't get the respect he really deserved but I don't think he'll ever be a pro-bowler. You can probably find somebody just as good in the middle rounds of the draft. And as far as the constant comparisons to Flacco, call up Ozzie Newsome and ask him if he'll trade Flacco for Orton straight up. You already know the answer. One more thing, taking Angelo's 1st round success rate in past drafts, I think we ripped off Denver.
April 16, 2009
#71 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Ghost-
Even if we wanted to, we can not trade away all of our picks this year (3 Comp Picks are not tradeable).
Right now JA is looking at who is available now, and who will be available after the draft. My guess is that he has one or two guys targeted at the WR position and will pull the trigger when it is a good business decision.
As for the needs on D - I am of the opinion that if were were to trade the farm for Boldin their are still some unsigned FA's left that can make a difference. Resign Mike Brown as a 2 down safety. I am also of the opinion that Marinelli will make a difference with the talent he has at his disposal, and that will effect the other two layers of our D.
Our deficiencies on D last year was a lack of discipline (Tillmans dumb penalty in OT againt the Bucs) and coaching (Babich Patch was routinely out-coached all season long especially Atl and Houston). If Lovie can improve the game plan/calling, and Marinelli inspires our line - we will be very very good this year on D...
April 16, 2009
#72 Urlacher FTW said . . .Phantom, though you and I share kindred ghastly handles, I could not agree with you less. It simply doesn't work like that. You don't trade everything for one guy and then go shopping in free agency. Besides, nobody in free agency right now is 100% dependable. If you're still in free agency after two weeks (and not a dickhead holding out for more money) then there is something wrong with you. In Mike Brown's case it's his disgusting ability to be injury-prone.
No, friend! Young blood is what is needed in the secondary. The D-Line is well enough. The secondary is the real issue for this ball club. It's GREAT we have Jay Cutler. It's GREAT we have a good O-Line. It's GREAT we have security at Halfback. It's GREAT we have two superstar linebackers. It's GREAT we have competent and experienced Cornerbacks. BUT this inexorable question still remains: Where the fuck are the safeties? Are you guys prepared to waste away Jay Cutler's first season (which, I would like to add URLACHER, will not be a failure if he doesn't make the Pro Bowl) by not having a cabable secondary to lift the team from being the #30 overall (that's out of 32, by the way, if anybody didn't know)?
Draft a fucking Safety in the 2nd Round. Buy Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Amani Toomer, Plaxico Burress, or anybody worth a shit.
It's astounding to me that so many idiots on this blog believed that two firsts, a third, and Kyle Orton were too expensive for Jay Cutler and now they support throwing everything away for Anquan Boldin.
Shit like this puts me in a bad mood, Bears fans. Bring on the insults and the arguments!
April 16, 2009
#73 MattIsMyForte said . . .Anon -If you could read we weren't discussing what he would be worth, yah he'd be worth 2nd or a 3rd, we were discussing where he would go in the 09 draft, totally different. Liking players or not liking them has little to do with the team I root for. Dawkins was one of my favorite players and I despise the Eagles. I like Thome in baseball but I'm a Cubs fan not Indians or Sox. And at least I have enough of a pair to have a nick. I simply reserve the right to LOL if Jay doesn't get to the Pro-Bowl in 09. I still hope the Bears win 16 games, just by running and playing good D. :)
69 - Yes, considering JAs history we seem to have gotten a good deal but if given the choice Id rather have KO throwing to Boldin and still have my whole draft next year than Cutler throwing to whoever gets out of the clown car.
April 16, 2009
#74 Phantom One said . . .Do you guys have jobs? just wondering...
April 16, 2009
#75 Anonymous said . . .Ghost -
A rookie Safety in a cover 2 scheme is a liability. You know this. If we are looking for an impact I would not adress that position in the 2nd round...
Bye the way, I wanted the Cutler deal done, and I would have spent more. Finding a long term solution at the QB position is worth druging through the FA market looking for some short term answers at other positions.
April 16, 2009
#76 The Ghost of Halas said . . .#72 So, you don't want Cutler to make the Pro Bowl? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you a Bears fan? I honestly would love it if Jay made the Pro Bowl and I will not "LOL" like a child if he doesn't. Why would you laugh because one of your players didn't make the Pro Bowl? Was it funny when Forte didn't make it last year, even though he deserved it?
Don't real fans want their players to make the Pro Bowl? Am I missing something? Let me guess, you would love Orton to make the Pro Bowl, right. Go root for Denver, guy.
April 16, 2009
#77 The Ghost of Halas said . . .I would never generalize like that. I knew several seniors who I thought would be great rookie starters at safety when they went pro. Some of them were. But it's not impossible, as you insinuate.
And I wasn't referring to you, Phantom, about being a cheapskate. I know your heart is pure and true, ha ha.
April 16, 2009
#78 Anonymous said . . .Fucking right #75.
April 16, 2009
#79 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Ghost - We should pick a WR in the 3rd.
FS Rashad Johnson in the 2nd. He makes plays, he works hard, and studies film constantly. Saban said he is the smartest player he has coached.
His number in college was 49 and we have pick 49, it's an omen.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/04/safety_rashad_johnson_i_made_a.html
April 16, 2009
#80 Anonymous said . . .Anonymous,
I'm 100% with you, pal. You're right on about that.
April 16, 2009
#81 FRESNO,CA BEAR FAN said . . .Jerry, I know you read this blog... pick this guy.
"Similar to Ed Reed", what else do you want?http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f87e66
April 16, 2009
#82 Stu said . . .Anonymous- your right...we should definately take this guy in the 2nd...he could be our next mike brown......we can sign a WR off the FA market.. They say JA has a close eye on him...so there is a great chance he will be our next Safety...cause personally Josh Bullocks FUCKING SUCKS!...they just signed him to give us depth at the position...he is NO starter..
April 16, 2009
#83 BDG said . . .I would give them that deal. The rest of the picks this year (the ones that we can trade). We can try out some undrafted free agents and probably make a few other pickups as needed too.
I would also be willing to throw in the first rounder in 2011 or package the 2011 and 2012 first rounders with something this year.
April 16, 2009
#84 BDG said . . .Mike Brown was a pretty good 2nd round Saftey wasn't he. He played good as a rookie
April 16, 2009
#85 BDG said . . .Love Rashad been saying possible Mike Brown Jr. I would be more than happy to get him which sounds about right for the run on S's. Next 2 picks could be WR's
April 16, 2009
#86 BDG said . . .Wow now we are giving up 2011 and 12 picks what happens if Culter were to get hurt? That could be a top 10 pick
April 16, 2009
#87 Duff Diggler said . . .What ever anyone feels about KO wait till this year to decide his talent. He will have above average O-line and Elite WR's to throw to. Tell me about him after this season. Personally I think he will excel this year. I don't think Denver will need a QB for years either. People bitch about our WR's this year but that's what KO had to work with too. I will always feel we gave up too much, but I also feel that we have a greater upside with Cutler and I'm happy to see where it takes us. The deal has been made so I'm ready to go with what we have to work with
April 16, 2009
#88 The Ghost of Halas said . . .#82...
wtf?
...u guys are getting CRAZY!!!!
April 16, 2009
#89 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Not just crazy but FUCKING crazy.
April 16, 2009
#90 FRESNO,CA BEAR FAN said . . .to all these people who would seek to trade the whole farm on Boldin... i thank God that you are not in charge.
Boldin = not a Bear next year.
thats awesome if Cutler connects to Boldin for 6, 3 times a game, however, with GLARING holes in our secondary, which would allow any team to carve us up through the air, it really doesnt matter if Jay throws for 4,500 yards and 25TDs, if we let the opposing team throw for double that, now does it?
and i promise you, Boldin can't fix that, for the Chicago Bears.
we got Cutler, and now all of a sudden we think we are the Patriots or something.
it's still all about running, now we just have the ability to pass.
April 16, 2009
#91 BDG said . . .#89- well said....we have upgraded the offense..but what have we done for Defense?? our secondary???? we need a better secondary!...alot of people are getting to anxious about the offense..calm down and think about our defense now!
April 16, 2009
#92 Who's Laughing Now said . . .Deep breath people take a fucking deep breath. Let's stop the nonsense and see where we're after the draft. There will be ALOT of other options just like every other year that become available both at S and WR after teams make cuts to satisfy there cap with the rookie's coming in. A lot of off-season left THIS year.
April 17, 2009
#93 Urlacher FTW said . . .Plaxico Burress is a better receiver than Boldin.
He won't cost any draft picks.
He'll come cheap salary-wise
He's in a situation where he has to prove himself
This is the same situation that Randy Moss was in a couple years ago. That situation turned out pretty good for the Pats.
Cutler right now is twice the qb that Eli Manning will ever be, which means Plax was making Eli look good, which means that Cutler will make Plax look even better.
Everything I've read said that he's a good teammate in the locker room.
Unless you're the one team blessed to have Fitzgerald on your team, it apparently requires adding a Prima Donnna to get a number one receiver. And I'll take Plax's issues over those of T.O., Moss, or even Braylon Edwards -- or Brandon Marshall for that matter.
(Boldin himself has a rep for being selfish)
Cutler + Plax = Super BowlApril 17, 2009
#94 Anonymous said . . .Yah I hope Orton makes the pro bowl and Cutler doesn't, has nothing to do with either player or either team though. It has to do with completely disproving the myth that the QB is 80% of the problem or solution on a team as a lot of people seem to think. People think Cutler is just a "Pro-Bowl" QB, well if that's true then he should make Hester and Bennett into great wideouts and go back to the ProBowl in all his greatness. And if Orton is just awful then there should be no way he can take 2 elite wideouts and a better offensive system and go to a ProBowl, right? So yes that would be rather funny to see the looks on peoples faces wondering how in the world that could happen, how the universe may not just revolve around a great QB.
But I hope the Bears win the SuperBowl. Doesn't require a probowl QB to win the SB, who were the AFC probowl QBs; Cutler and Favre? Neither team even made the playoffs, or the year before Brady vs Eli? Who is the better QB, who won? Great teams win not just great QBs. I will hope for Orton to do well in Denver unless they are playing the Bears and there is nothing about that which makes me a lesser Bears fan.
April 17, 2009
#95 Phantom One said . . .Josh McDaniels everybody.
April 17, 2009
#96 Idonije said . . .BDG-
When Mike Brown was a rookie - he did not play in a cover 2 scheme.
April 17, 2009
#97 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Urlacher I guess I do not understand your deep allegiance to Orton, why?
Mike Brown did more for the Chicago Bears then Kyle Orton ever did, do you also want him to do better than who the Bears put in at safety next year? Your last post is just down right confusing to me.
April 17, 2009
#98 BDG said . . .Urlacher, you should have shut up while you were ahead.
You as a "Bears fan" is actively saying that you do NOT wish to see Jay Cutler (the Chicago Bears quarterback) in the Pro Bowl in 2010?
Cutler is a Pro Bowl quarterback you colossal dumbass. He went to the Pro Bowl. I don't think anybody worth listening to has said that Orton is a horrible quarterback. But I don't think anyone worth listening to has said Orton is better than Cutler.
God. I can't believe Bears fans are this dumb. Since 1951 all I can remember about being a Bears fan is how we never have a quarterback for our team. Well now we've got one but pussy dipshit assholes likes you say we paid too much. And now you compound your jackass statements by saying you HOPE Kyle Orton (the Broncos quarterback) makes the Pro Bowl and Jay Cutler (the Bears quarterback) does not. What the fuck is wrong with you??
Anonymous is fucking right, you must be Josh McDaniels.
April 17, 2009
#99 Idonije said . . .I know Brown didn't play a cover two as a rookie, but do you seriously doubt he couldn't have if we did have that system then. My point is there are some S's that come around that don't have the over-all eye popping physical traits, but have the football IQ to handle it as rookie's. From what I've read Rashad Johnson could be one of them
April 17, 2009
#100 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Actually looking back at a couple old posts, Urlacher FTW you also tried to compare Cutler and Orton's mobility by looking at TD's per rushing attempt...Why are you such a big Kyle Orton fan? What are we all missing?
I believe lots of Bears fans appreciate Orton's down to earth and do what's best for the team mentality, but you might need to get a grip.
April 17, 2009
#101 zmac said . . .I'd rather have a rookie Saftey with potential, than a WR who shot himself, or one who starts public fights with the offensive coordinators on the sidelines, or one who has his agent say, he has no interest in playing in Chicago, or has a possible Coke habit... mind you thats Buress, Boldin, Holt, and Jones.
and I like Matt Jones.
Just because we have a QB now, doesnt mean we immediately must upgrade WR or we will finish 4-12.
last season, a completed pass here, or completed pass there, and a pass defense here, or tackle there, and we would have been in the playoffs.
i believe we have already upgraded the O enough to ensure the mistakes stop on that side.
by all accounts we should have #6 for a while, why not wait for the Best WR out there, instead of screaming for Holt, Harrison, Jones, Burress, Boldin, and save our money instead of wasting it on soon to be retired "talent" or soon to be jailed "talent"
so we sign Holt, we get a year? maybe 2? what if he gets a twisted ankle out in the grass, and is out for 6 games... then what? we didnt draft anybody because we had holt... now we're stuck again, screaming for any single WR out there even slightly available, no matter what cost, or cohesiveness with our team morals, or anything.and try investing in something, like draft prospects, the few that we have left.
April 17, 2009
#102 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .So which Cutler jersey do I get? Home or road?
April 17, 2009
#103 Phantom One said . . .Orange
April 17, 2009
#104 BDG said . . .Mike Brown would have taken his lumps, but you do make a valid point. I just see the young Safeties that have come into this system struggle. (Picture Reggie Wayne dancing in the end-zone after D. Manning got caught out of position.)
As for which Safety in the draft may be worthy of our 2nd round pick - I don't know. I will look into Rashad Johnson.
April 17, 2009
#105 BDG said . . .Also remember if we don't get a WR this year or if we get only a draft prospect that needs grooming then T.O. will be a free agent and I'm not sure who else so before we trade off all of our picks for the next 10 years lets see what happens this year
April 17, 2009
#106 Urlacher FTW said . . .Phantom
I agree with you there Manning is an terrible S. He went to a small school and was drafted more on his physical traits. Look up Rashad you'll love this kid and I think there is a very good chance he will be there if the Bears decide to go that routeApril 17, 2009
#107 Urlacher FTW said . . .Idon - Never said Orton is better than Cutler, have always said Cutler is better than Orton just don't think the margin is all that great. I did like Orton for his attitude and think he always kind of got the short end of the perverbial stick when it came to real chances to succeed. If Orton were to make the ProBowl with Denver and Cutler didn't here it wouldn't prove Orton was a better QB at all, it would prove that it takes more than just installing a skilled guy at one spot to change an entire Offense.
I've never made the argument that Cutler isn't an upgrade just that we had and still have much more pressing needs that everyone is now simply overlooking because the messiah is here to save us and in one trade JA has instantly made it so we will go undefeated and win the superbowl.As for Mike Brown, he never really got screwed over developmentally by the coaches, maybe by injuries, but never the coaches; but if Brown went somewhere else sure I would cheer for him, he is another guy that while I don't think he's a great FS I think he is a great Bear and I guess that's what I thought about Kyle too. Maybe not the best but great Bears.
As for the comments from Ghost and Anon, starting to think it's the same person. Your intellect and age are showing through in your comments. If you don't like my opinion, don't read it. If you can mature and make an intelligent argument I'll respond.
April 17, 2009
#108 Anonymous said . . .FT Pack #100 - I don't think people are saying we'll go 4-12 are they? Our receiving corps pre draft looks even worse than last year though doesn't it? I mean Booker wasn't great but he was a vet and did make a few big grabs, Lloyd was a puss but he had great hands and adjusted to the ball in the air better than anyone else on the team. The only thing that bothers me about the receivers is if you only look at ppl we drafted out of college to play WR (cancels out Davis and Hester) who caught at least one pass in a real game last season, we have 0. Not one true wideout on the roster who caught a pass in the last year. That seems scary. I'd like to see a vet Holt, Jones whoever; our hands are pretty tied up as far as any RFAs though.
April 17, 2009
#109 Shady said . . .Anybody catch Cutler dropping the puck at the Hawks game tonight?
Ghost at #71 makes a good point, I also enjoyed #38, #47, #73, #75, #89, and #91.
I'm really enjoying what they're doing over at da site with the inside the draft series as well as the practice video from Halas Hall. It just seems so un-Bears like, but I guess that's what this off season has been all about, the Bears surprising us.
It seems as if there are a number of WRs available late in the draft who have the potential to start for the Bears in the near future which means they could use the 2nd and 3rd to help shore up some of the issues on defense.
Check out a couple guys who I'd like to see the Bears go after later in the draft:
Ramses "The Pharaoh" Barden Cal Poly 6-6, 229, 4.61
draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Ramses-Barden.phpKenny "Mt." McKinley South Carolina 6-0 189 4.44
draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Kenny-McKinley.phpAustin "Border" Collie B.Y.U. 6-1 200 4.60
draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Austin-Collie.phpAaron "Killer" Kelly Clemson 6-4 204 4.55
draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Aaron-Kelly.phpPatrick "Definitely not related to Ron" Turner USC 6-5 223 4.70
draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Patrick-Turner.phpDominique "Don't call me Thomas" Edison Stephen F. Austin 6-2 204 4.45
draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Dominique-Edison.phpKevin "The Oak" Ogletree Virginia 6-01 196 4.45
draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Kevin-Ogletree.php(Had to delete the http://www. or else this post wouldn't take.)
Crappy nicknames, I know, but there is some sleeper potential in there. I wouldn't be overly upset if the Bears took care of their D in the draft early and waited to see what Cutler can do with the WRs the Bears have now (echoing #38).
April 17, 2009
#110 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Dat was me.
April 17, 2009
#111 The Ghost of Halas said . . .I think I did make an intellegent argument. I just can't tolerate jackasses, which is what you are if you say you don't want my quarterback in the Pro Bowl.
And I'm 67 years old you infant. And not Anonymous. I put my name next to my words.
April 17, 2009
#112 Urlacher FTW said . . .Intelligent**
Haha! I love misspelling that word.
April 17, 2009
#113 Devin Hester the Defense Molester said . . .Well I totally agree that I'm a jackass. That is just pure fact.
April 17, 2009
#114 Sdwat51 said . . .Am I the only person not forgetting Hester being completely open down field 5 or 6 times last year and Orton missing each time? Now those are only the times he threw it to him, I would have to deduct that he was just as open multiple other times, our Q.B. just wasn't skilled enough to get it to him, just like he won't be in Denver.
FTW, you are right a Q.B. doesn't make a team. I've been saying the same damn thing for years. BUT q.b.s are leaders and it doesn't matter how good you're receivers are if your q.b. can't get the ball to them. In this, I say you are wrong in your belief that Cutler is only marginally better then Orton.
I believe our w.r. are stat. Hester is there for the deep ball and now we have Jay who can get the ball to him. There's always Olsen and Clark, in my opinion the best t.e. combo in the entire league, and there's always Earl who has the added benefit of chemistry with Jay anyway. Our line is improved and our runningback is gold. I see no problems on O, none at all. I would like to see A.P. set to f.b. that way Jones could be the back up and A.P. could still contribute to s.t. and not take up 3 roster spots but God, anymore of this actual improvement and I might get spoiled. I say if one of the free agents comes cheap, it can't really hurt but do not waste another draft pick on anything but the draft and even then go all out on D.
April 17, 2009
#115 Anonymous by any other name ... said . . .WoW.....
I just read through a ton of posts...holy shit, y'all, if this was a bar, there'd be broken chairs on the floor. Cutler vs. Orton for the Pro Bowl? Trade away the next 3 years of draft picks for a WR?
Hell, we aren't still drunk from the Cutler trade, some of us have apparently decided to smoke crack.
Guys, seriously, we're going to flat-out rock this year, and we'll add a few fighters during the draft. We're fine, really. And it doesn't matter one wit how Orton compares to - well - anyone.
And let's not forget, the ProBowl is a popularity contest voted on by the players. It isn't the HOF. In essence, no one gives a shit. Hell, I wouldn't care if Dante Culpepper got more votes.
Fuck the ProBowl, and to hell with mortgaging the farm to get Boldin, or selling our soul to get Plaxico Burress, of all people.
Lastly, God Bless you, John Madden - you made it a lot of fun to watch. Get 'em, Collinsworth. You da man now.
April 17, 2009
#116 enderwiggin said . . .I'm not taking sides. I couldn't care less. But I think it's hilarious that The Ghost of Hallas says "I'm not anonymous. I put my name by my words." The Ghost of Hallas. Like that's a real name.
April 17, 2009
#117 The Ghost of Halas said . . .woah now anon, i've beenreading DaBearsBlog only for a year or so now and i must say.. if The Ghost of Halas makes a post i read it, i think about it, i may agree or disagree with it. But i always respect it.
Now, if someone post " Anonymous " i just take it with a grain of salt. Figure out a screen name man, if you really want to get involved.April 17, 2009
#118 Foxtro Tango Packers said . . .Wow! Thanks enderwiggin. That means a lot!
And it was a joke #115. I thought it was funny.
April 17, 2009
#119 Anonymous said . . .Very true, i even respect little AP's posts more than an Anon name tag, at least they are self identified as "Hater from the purple country"
BTW... it's Halas, not Hallas, jackass
April 17, 2009
Why can't Anonymous people post on here, if you want to read than read it. If not, then don't... skip it and continue reading WoodyardFTW's crazy, dumb, insane, illogical, laughable posts.
April 17, 2009
Here at DaBearsBlog, you are free to kill us or the Bears as you so wish. You are not free, however, to be an asshole. So if you spew racism or ill-meaning foul language (cursing about football is just fine) or anything of that ilk, your comments ain't gonna last long, jerk.