Addendum 4/1: Any debate against acquiring Jay Cutler should start this way. "I am opposed to the Chicago Bears picking up the most athletic and strongest-armed quarterback in the history of their storied franchise because..."
#2 Joseph said . . .NO DOUBT!
April 1, 2009
#3 Joseph said . . .First!
Who are we kidding? Cutler is too expensive for Angelo! At least a First and a Third round pick.
This is Jerry's chance to back up HIS own words after the season ended. A true test of Angelo's intergrity.
April 1, 2009
#4 CSauce said . . .Damn you Molester!
April 1, 2009
#5 O-Line wins games said . . .What do we realistically have to offer them? The only reason this mess got started in the first place was because McDaniels was going to get a QB (Matt Cassell) who had had success (albeit only for one season) in his system. What can the Bears give them? Orton? You're not going to find a starting QB at #18. I feel like our only legit hope is a three way deal with a team like Cleveland (with two viable QBs). This is WAY out there, but what if Jerry Jones takes a liking to Cutler and ships out Tony Romo to us for a 1st and a 3rd (which would go to Denver)?
If it happens, I find renewed faith in the organization. If it doesn't, as will most likely be the case, I go back to praying the Matt Forte doesn't get hurt so we have a shot at putting points on the board.
April 1, 2009
#6 L. Weigh said . . .Get him now Jerry!!
Think about it if we got Cutler, veteran WRs would actually WANT to come to Chicago!!
Plus he and Bennett could build on their success in college.
Trade Kreutz, Vasher, Orton, 2nd and 3rd rd picks, and picks for next years draft. (Come to think of it, Denver probably doesn't want any of those 3 guys.) Swing a three team trade if you have to. Do whatever it takes.
Give us a franchise QB for the next 10 years!!
Give our beloved franchise hope!!
April 1, 2009
#7 Pankster in Da Carolina's said . . .if there are any football gods the bears will land him
April 1, 2009
#8 Shady said . . .Knowing our fate bears fans how fuckin conveinent on april fools day we have a shot for a major upgrade to our beloved team. All I know is I would throw the whole secondary/hunter h, orton anderson tommie harris to boot lets get cuter lets sign pace lets get to the post season dance floor and hear the fuckin music!!!!!!!!!!
April 1, 2009
#9 JWilson said . . .I'm sure the Broncos organization is hating Jay Cutler right now. I'd bet if Denver receives equal valued offers from a number of ball clubs, they'd 'end up shipping him off to Detroit as punishment for being such a baby to send a message to the rest of their players. That, and Detroit has the most to offer in terms of draft picks. Denver did make it known that they were looking for players in return, not just draft picks so from that point of view, the Bears might have a chance if they include Orton in any kind of trade deal. Orton and a 1st and next years 2nd or 3rd? I don't know, but Jerry, even if it doesn't work out if and when Jay gets here, I won't blame you because you took that chance. Go get him.
April 1, 2009
#10 jdawg said . . .Jerry, This is your opportunity to shine. To prove to the organization, the league, and most importantly the Bears fans that you worthy of the job that you hold.
Make the trade. Make the biggest move of the off season. A move that could change the direction of this franchise, and the direction of your career.April 1, 2009
#11 The Duke said . . .let the cartoons begin!
April 1, 2009
#12 The Duke said . . .We got nothing to offer the Broncos. Orton and an 18th??? Just about every other team in the so-called running for Cutler has more to offer than the Bears, including a higher pick.
April 1, 2009
#13 BDG said . . .Jeff, off-topic again. But what bar in NYC can a Bears fan go to to be with his people for the 18th pick. I know Josie Woods is where you watch the games but wondering if there's any Bears draft parties a la Cubby Bear in Chicago in NYC.
April 1, 2009
#14 craig said . . .I think Orton the 18th and a 3rd should be enough. I wouldn't do much more than that. Maybe if they want players we could do Orton and Tommie Harris even up. I have very bad feeling Harris's future is clouded with with his knee problems. We could use Idonije, Harrison, and a high draft pick to replace Tommie who really didn't play well last year
April 1, 2009
#15 johnnyelpaso said . . .I had a dream last night that K.O. suffered a season-ending injury in the first preseason game, and with no one on deck the Bears had to bring back Rex.
Sigh.
Chances are slim but I do hope they find a way to land Cutler. I don't care what we have to give them...
April 1, 2009
#16 Frank Schoenburg said . . .im tired of hearing all this cutler, and us trying to get him.....he's simply a cry baby....orton is our qb of the future and i totally support him.....the problem child that we really needed was t.o. and all of you guys shot that one down...so whats the difference between cutler and t.o. they are both cry babies....
April 1, 2009
#17 Urlacher FTW said . . .I'm willing to give up Kyle, the #18 pick and next years #1.
Does Denver like KO? I think that is the key. If Denver wants Brady Quinn, were screwed. KO seems like a decent fit in Denver, so I'm cautiously optimistic that we can land Cutler.
No, I'm not drunk or stoned. If I was, then I'd be going crazy with anticipation. I'd be making bets, spray painting #6 on my chest and running around the neighborhood naked to make it happen:)
April 1, 2009
#18 Willie from Chicago said . . .Okay, so the argument is that if we lose KO to injury we are screwed. So we should get Cutler, which if it happens at all would require trading away KO + other things to do. How are we less screwed if Cutler gets hurt? About 90% of teams are screwed if they lose the starting QB. Look at GB last year if Rodgers goes down, look at Arizona if they lose Warner; of course we would be hurting. That is beside the point.
Denver has already stated they aren't very intrested in draft picks and would only see them as bonus but would only trade Cutler for another startable QB. That would indicate, the Jets, Lions, Vikings and other teams have essentially no shot; no matter how much they WANT him.
Only teams to me that would have a great shot would be Cleveland and Us. Orton is a startable QB, even if he isn't a "franchise" guy he can get the job done. And Cle could offer that Anderson has been to as many pro bowls as Cutler and has thrown more TDs in a single season than Cutler. Hell maybe we should go get him.
Only thing that still worries me about Cutler other than attitude is the fact that he hasn't been on a winning team since high school. To me regardless of your defense, that smells of a person who isn't a leader. big rob in the las
April 1, 2009
#19 Urlacher FTW said . . .We won’t get Jay Cutler, nor will the other teams that are trying to get him. WE DON’T HAVE A QB TO GIVE DENVER. The one team that may get Cutler that everyone is overlooking is the Bills; they have a legit QB to trade. Denver is making a HUGE mistake in letting Cutler go, this will set there franchise back for years.
BEAR DOWN in 09
April 1, 2009
#20 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Only thing that still worries me about Cutler other than attitude is the fact that he hasn't been on a winning team since high school. To me regardless of your defense, that smells of a person who isn't a leader. big rob in the last post said Cutler is 13-1 when the D doesn't allow 21 pts, but you could make anyones stats look impressive with that, KO is 18-2 in the same scenario; Im sure Trent Dilfer has amazing stats with that slant thrown in.
I still have yet to see anyone argue how Cutler can come here, to a team with less talent at WR and the Oline, a more run based offense and still a bottom third of the leage defense (points allowed); and do any better than he did in Denver.
If you manage to get Cutler here 2010 is wasted, he'll have to adjust to the offense, the receivers, we'd have no picks left to help him out... so if we are throwing 2010 away to get a franchise QB why not upgrade the team best we can, stick this thing in cruise control get the #1 pick next year and grab Bradford. We'd be in about the same boat.
April 1, 2009
#21 Tenacious D said . . .I think every draft pick should be on the table and every player except Hester.
I can't part with Hester. He is still the most electrifying player in the NFL. Briggs, Forte, Urlacher, Harris...give 'em up for Cutler.
April 1, 2009
#22 Albert in Tucson said . . .Guys, For what we will have to give up to make this trade, it makes absolutely no sense for the Bears. Some are talking about 2 first round picks plus players? Does anybody remember the Rick Mirer trade? That trade (1 first rounder) set the organization back for years. Giving up two first round picks could set this organization in a tailspin for 5 - 10 years.
Cutler's stats are not that much better than Orton's, and Jay had receivers who can actually catch the ball, and an excellent line. What will he have to work with in Chicago? Last season, for what he had to work with I thought Kyle did an excellent job. Fix the O-line, receivers, & the defense and give Kyle a chance to show what he can do.
I like Cutler, but not for a king's ransome.
April 1, 2009
#23 Willie from Chicago said . . .Orton and a 3rd, BDG? Dream on. Back here on Earth, the Bears do seem serious about signing Orlando Pace to play left tackle.
April 1, 2009
#24 Albert In Tucson said . . .Urlacher, Cutler has not had a good defense or a running game while he was at denver, with average WRs. He played on a bad team last yyear who would have won only 3 games were it not for Cutler.
April 1, 2009
#25 animal said . . .Cutler for Orton and a 3rd? Dream on, BDG.
Meanwhile, back here in the REAL world, the Bears DO seem to be serious about signing Orlando Pace.April 1, 2009
#26 animal said . . .Give up a first. Get him.
April 1, 2009
#27 Scabbyeggs said . . .From ESPN
"In games that the Broncos have allowed 21 points or fewer, Cutler is an impressive 13-1"What the hell else do you need to say?
April 1, 2009
#28 Fresno,CA BEAR FAN said . . .Orton, k jones, this years 1 n 3 and next years 2 and if that doesnt get em throw 54 in the equation
April 1, 2009
#29 Fresno,CA BEAR FAN said . . .Come on JEFF! get REAL!....UR TRIPPIN!
April 1, 2009
#30 Urlacher FTW said . . .The LIONS would be the team who gets him
April 1, 2009
#31 Tenacious D said . . .Willie - here , without picks he will not have a good defense or a good running game with below average WRs... are you trying to help prove my point?
animal - that is a horrible scenario, it means nothing... so most of the time he doesn't have to do very much, he wins. Wow yah that is a big endorsement.
I would put good money on the fact that about every QB that's ever played has a winning record when you only look at games their opponents score less than 21 points. It is pretty simple logic.
April 1, 2009
#32 Tenacious D said . . .Willie, Here's what else to say....Bears D gave up more than 21 points 8 times in 2008. So we go 8-8 with Cutler? woop-de-do00.
April 1, 2009
#33 MattIsMyForte said . . .Sorry Willie, that last post was meant for Animal.
April 1, 2009
#34 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Wow, consider all of yourselves PUNKED. Happy April fool's day fools! Either this prank has gotten the best of you guys or the majority of the guys that have posted today just showed that dispite their impeccable grammar and knowledge of statistics, they don't know shit about football. I'm really suprised at a lot of you guys that have previously posted pretty intelligent stuff in the past.
They post a [another]story about the bears being "interested" in Cutler and you guys come out of the woodwork screaming for them to give them anyone and everyone??!!
#21 and #22 are the only ones who seem to be grounded on this issue. If you guys think trading our Starting QB and Starting Middle LB and possibly our high draft picks ( or every draft pick and every player except Hester) is worth this loser I don't know what planet you are on. It's Not Going To Happen!
You guys constantly talk about all of the 'wholes' or 'needs' that the Bears have. Then you want to create even more of them at crucial positions for a pretty good QB? Not a future HOF quater back, but a pretty good QB. What has this guy done? Really? All this "solidify the position for the next 10 years" BS is rediculous.
There have been so many posts pointing out that Orton had no one to throw to, if we trade our picks, that will not change. Plus, this kid would have to learn an entirely new offense. Not an easy task. Do you guys forget how many times KO was making changes and adjustments at the line, esentially calling his own plays? NO 1st year QB in a new system can do that shit.
On top of all of the other logical reassons for why we should not offer Denver the farm for this guy. This kid doesn't have the balls to play in Chicago.
I'm sorry for the short novel but damn,
C'mon back to Earth boys.
April 1, 2009
#35 big rob said . . .Yeah, those theories about Kyle Orton having similar stats as Cutler is bullshit.
Absolute bullshit.
Here's a taste:
First Half QB Rating...Kyle Orton has a 92.2
Jay Cutler has a 87.4Second Half QB Rating...Kyle Orton has a 66.1
Jay Cutler has a 84.7Fourth Quarter scoring...Kyle Orton has 2 TD and 4 INT
Jay Cutler has 11TD and 4 INTGo for Jay.
April 1, 2009
#36 Urlacher FTW said . . .Animal... As Urlacher FTW stated in his post our beloved KO is 18-2 in the same situation.
I felt the same way about that stat at first...
KO is our guy.... Leave the Cutler BS alone....
April 1, 2009
#37 Duff Diggler said . . .Comparing halfs and quarters as a whole is meaningless. If you can show exact situation, game winning drive scenarios, fine but a simple quarter by quarter breakdown means nothing.
ie
If team A is beating team B by 4 TDs and goes into prevent allowing team B to score 3 TDs in the final quarter and Team A still wins; what do those 3 TDs mean as a stat? That team Bs QB is awesome because he can beat the prevent enough to make a game look closer than it was?The fact is one of the few chances KO was given where he was
A.) in the full 2 minute drill
B.) in a game winning scenario that required a TD not a FG
he came through, in ATL giving us the lead with 11 seconds left.When Cutler was in a similar situation in SD he fumled the ball away to the other team period. His only retribution was that Hoculi gave him a mulligan.
Where was the Cutler talk last year? His first full season as a starter in Denver. When he did put up very comparable numbers to Orton's numbers this year (his first full season as the starter). I am very excited to see what Orton can do this year, I think the Bears are in a great spot with him.. if he plays great, goes to a pro-bowl even, he would still sign relatively cheap, and if he sucks we get another QB next year... nothing new to us.
Cutler will not survive as long in the league as many other QBs either. Diabetics take longer to heal, have circulation problems, and have a shortened life span. I just really don't think this guy is worth the cost. If it is Phillip Rivers on the block, I'd be emailing JA or Larry Mayer every day; but it is not. Not even close.
April 1, 2009
#38 Tenacious D said . . .Albert In Tucson, BDG said Orton, our first this year, and a third....
....he's on earth as well....
Ghost of Halas..... *sigh*.....
....seriously??? Urch, Tommie, !!??FORTE??!!, and Orton??????????
NO FUCKIN WAY!!!!!! Hester's more tradable than Tommie, Orton (15-2 at home as a starter), and definently FORTE!!! BLASPHEMY!!!!
I like the idea of Orton and Tommie straight up... maybe throw in a third or forth for icing....
April 1, 2009
#39 Vizzini said . . .Ghost, I wonder what Cutler's numbers would've been with the the Bears receivers and line. Very close to Kyle's I'd say.
If we trade away draft picks we lose the opportunity to improve the receivers, line, and defense. Signing Cutler long-term will eat up any remaning cap space so we can't sign free agents either. I just don't believe we'd be any better off with Cutler and the same supporting cast.
April 1, 2009
#40 We Shall Return said . . .I don't want this over rated pansy on the Bears. Thank GOD the Redskins have more to offer!
April 1, 2009
#41 BDG said . . .I don't give a shit how the stats look. Orton's got this system down and can direct it better than any player the Bears could bring in. This is Kyle's year to be alone at the top of this offense with no bullshit in the background and I'll bet the farm he delivers.
April 1, 2009
#42 BDG said . . .#22 Albert READ before you speak I said Orton the 18th and a 3rd.
April 1, 2009
#43 Urlacher FTW said . . .Here on Earth we read before casting stones
April 1, 2009
#44 MattIsMyForte said . . .And on top of it all now this guy has locked himself in his room and won't answer his phone when mommy calls.... um can you spoiled teenager. This is easy to deal with if you are Denver... start Simms, draft a teachable QB and let Cutler stew in the corner for a year getting no reps. See if he comes out of his room or picks up the phone next time you call. And if he doesn't you waste a few million each year and in 4 more years hes a 30 year old FA QB who hasn't played in 5 years. He'll be worth a whole lot huh? Let him think about that from the bench.
Spoiled punks who don't think it's enough to simply get to play a kid's game for a living make me sick.
April 1, 2009
#45 Spanish Bear said . . .Here on earth we know this shit is a smoke screen and a deal for Cutler will not happen.
April 1, 2009
#46 KentuckyBearsFan said . . .Hi guys!
I´m listening to 670 The Score right now (I´ve just realized I can do it, thanks to iTunes). They are asking if Angelo should trade ALL draft picks for Cutler, and some people who are calling to the show are saying yes!!! (and even adding Urlacher or Harris). Are we crazy???
I will give Denver the first and, maybe, a third (plus Orton). It would be great if we can get Cutler but it will be great also if we keep Orton happy just in case.Besides, I think Orton could do great things here. Remember what he did last season...before the injury. I´ll give him one more year and, if he doesn´t pan out, let´s see the 2010 draft class!
PD: Jeff, remember, it´s Packer Week! ;)
April 1, 2009
#47 BDG said . . .Cutler? Cassell would have been cheaper (and younger) as far as draft picks.
Not gonna matter if our D still stinks.
April 1, 2009
#48 The Ghost of Halas said . . .My final take on this. KO can do the job for us. Cutler Is more talented. If we can get him for the right price we do it. If not we move on and we will be all right. JA is making the right moves so far to give us flexibility in the draft and for the possible trade. Signing Pace and or Lucas and a FA receiver to be named will secure the roster further. The receiver is all but a guarantee in my mind at some point. Pace signing would be a Great idea to tutor Williams and let him get his feet wet on the right side. The most we should give up to Denver is Orton our 1st the 18th and a 3rd. which should be intriguing to Denver because Orton should fit Mcdaniels system well and he could give them the starter they need or at the least they could let him and Chris Simms compete. I think if the Bears offered Tommie Harris in the deal it might also tempt Denver because their defense is so terrible. I don't know if they would be scared off by his knee problems though. If we included him then it would be Orton, Harris even up or maybe the 3rd like Duff said. We can't mortgage the farm for what may amount improvement in talent that may be a headache down the line when we have a guy that is has at least proven to be a leader, tough, smart but lacking some of the top physical attributes. KO can do it with a team around him. Cutler can make and possibly break a team around him. Approach with caution.
April 1, 2009
#49 KentuckyBearsFan said . . .No, Duff.
I said nobody is off the table. I didn't say trade Orton, Urlacher, Briggs, Forte, Harris, and whoever else I said FOR Jay Cutler.
Don't be a colossal jackass by trying to make me out to be a colossal jackass.
And Urlacher, I know what you're trying to say. But I still think (and the stats say) Cutler is a better quarterback.
What is wrong with you people, Bears fans?!?! Can you not see a superior quarterback when he's right in front of you? Have you been without a real quarterback for so long that all common sense is gone?
GET JAY CUTLER! My god, I have no idea why this is so contentious. GET JAY CUTLER!
April 1, 2009
#50 Urlacher FTW said . . ....though I imagine Cutler-to-Hester could probably account for 2 TDs per game before Hester starts getting double covered.
April 1, 2009
#51 Jerry Dumbangelo said . . .Seeing as even Warner to Fitzgerald isn't even good for 2 TDs a game, I would seriously doubt it.
The only secondary that Hester ate up last year was the Saints, you know, the team we got our starting FS from... he was their backup. Wow. After repeating that to myself I can't believe we are talking about needing a QB. Sigh.April 1, 2009
#52 Urlacher FTW said . . .Here's your chance to get MVP PRO BOWL QB and send Da bears to the Playoffs and DA SUPERBOWL!
Orton can't cut the Mustard so quit WASTING CHICAGO'S MONEY and sign someone who's going to score points this time! This is a great investment if the mizers of the midway can scrouge the dough.
Trade - Orton, Urlacher, Ogunleye, Vasher, Tillman, or Draft Picks. These guys cost us too many games last year so trade them!
April 1, 2009
#53 jdawg said . . .Ghost I agree, in a one for one trade; I would take Cutler. Cutler is a slightly better QB than KO in my opinion.
However, what they are asking for him in trade would simply be more detrimental to our team to lose than any improvement we would see at QB.
You did suggest trading Forte for Cutler, which I wouldn't even do straight up. If you think franchise QBs are rare, think about franchise three down RBs . Especially with the tradition in Chicago, no way should they trade a likely franchise RB for a likely franchise QB. If they traded away Forte, I think I'd stop watching pro football.April 1, 2009
#54 The Ghost of Halas said . . .the shelf live for a franchise QB is longer than RB, so Denver wouldn't take the bait.
I'm undecided.
While I think Cutler is a better physical talent I'm not sure what kind of leader he is. Love or hate Kyle, he's a team leader and a team player. If I'm not mistaken, he's acted pretty professionally during this Cutler mess. How has Cutler acted? How does Cutler get along with his teammates?
I'm not saying I'm against trading for Cutler, I'm just not feeling the slam-dunk that some others are feeling.
April 1, 2009
#55 Urlacher FTW said . . .There are certain sacrifices I would be willing to make. Forte is one of them. We disagree, Urlacher. Denver isn't going to just give Cutler away. They know everybody wants him. That's why the Bears are going to have to come up with a lucrative deal...not a pick-for-player or player-for-player trade. That won't work, Urlach.
April 1, 2009
#56 Urlacher FTW said . . .jdawg I dunno how true the shelf life thing is on franchise RBs.. maybe a little difference but guys like Thurman and Sweetness were around 13 years, Emmit played 15; Jim Kelly only played 11 and Troy only played 12, Marino was around like 17 but I think he is kind of an exception. I bet it is closer than you would think.
April 1, 2009
#57 Urlacher FTW said . . .Ghost - I know it wouldn't work, that's why I am saying no thanks.
#51 - Umm.. Fitz was the MVP of the ProBowl. Cutler was at one Pro-Bowl and hasn't been an MVP of anything.
April 1, 2009
#58 The Ghost of Halas said . . .I read something on another blog explaining people's obsession with getting Cutler here. They said he is like a tall Rex Grossman on steroids. Now it is all coming together, all the Rexy fans will have someone to cheer for who "looks" more like a QB.
April 1, 2009
#59 Urlacher FTW said . . .One season rushing more than 1,000 yards and Matt Forte is Thurman Thomas? Walter Payton? Emmitt Smith? He's good. He's really good. He has the potential to be really really good. But you're lumping him in with Hall of Famers. Come on, man!
I'm fanatical about finding stability at a position that has not seen stability in YOUR lifetime. I was born in 1941, since then the Bears have had ONE quarterback worth his pay and his name was Sid Luckman. Before I die I would not mind seeing a reasonable franchise quarterback behind center.
Kyle Orton is a good quarterback, and if they don't get Cutler I'm very happy to have him on board. But 2009 will probably be the pennicle of his playing career. If he doesn't work out in 2009 EVERYBODY is going to be looking for a new quarterback AGAIN.
GET JAY CUTLER!
April 1, 2009
#60 MattIsMyForte said . . .Ghost - you are taking 2 things I said out of context and slamming them together. I never compared Forte to those guys, I was using those names to show franchise RBs can be as durable as franchise QBs.
2009 could just as likely be the pinnacle of Jay Cutler's career as well. When you make a move like that and you could end up successfull or with egg on your face it is one thing... ie Moss to NE (turned out great) or TO to Buffalo (we will see) but to put all your eggs in one baskett (quite literally) to get one player is silly.
I mean say we packaged Orton and Forte and this years number 1 for Cutler.. then he gets hurt; we have effectively lost 3 players to injury all at the same time. You are concerned what would happen to the team if Orton gets hurt, how much more magnified does QB injury become if you trade the farm for him?
April 1, 2009
#61 reverenddave said . . .Jay Culter sent to the Chicago Bears for 2 1st round picks and Matt Forte!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF!!!!!!!!!!?????????
I stand corrected, and super pissed! Matt was MY Forte damnit!
April 1, 2009
#62 Urlacher FTW said . . .Man I honestly am amazed at the amount of people on this site excited about cutler. I just dont get it. Yeah its possible be may be better than KO, though i dont think there is necessarily a tremendous gap between the two.
But seriously right now we have three tackles that combine for something like 2 starts, a former arena league ball dropper and a former return man/cornerback potentially doomed to always be a year away from achieving his potential at wide receivers, a D-line that couldnt get to any non Ram QB last year, a franchise middle linebacker who looks like he lost a step and a safety situation that gives me about as much confidence as Arch Deluxe and a QB who at his worst last year was solid and servable and at his best looked like a comfortable game winning drive engineer.
And you guys want to take the one serviceable guy, throw him out along with our top pick(s) and thus any real chance of filling the real gaping holes just for a dude who is a good but not yet great qb with a serious inclination for melodrama?
I just dont get it. I really dont.
April 1, 2009
#63 Z said . . .Here's something to chew on a little.
There once was a third year Denver Broncos QB who went to the Probowl after posting a 102 Passer rating and throwing a ton more TDs than INTs. That year he was instantly annointed the 2nd coming of Elway. He already had a superbowl ring as a rookie watching Elway play. Everyone wanted him.. we eventually got him. His name is Brian Griese and he never lived up to the hype after his coming out party in 2000. Should we really pull the trigger so fast?
April 1, 2009
#64 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Wow nothing like the word QB to get us Bears fans into a heated frenzy huh? I would agree that Forte, Briggs and Hester are the untouchables. Orton and our 1st and 3rd is about as far as I would go. He sounds like he would fit with what RT tries to do. There is no questioning how much stronger of an arm Cutler has. That threat of being beat by the deep ball on any and every play changes everything. If we got him protection and a possession WR and another speed WR to stretch the field our Offense could be near the top of the league for a long time with Forte and Olsen.
I think we actually have a fair chance of pulling this off unless someone like Washington throws the motherload at the Broncos. We have a better QB to offer then Tampa, Det, Minn, Jets, SF and Tenn IMO. Cleveland and Washington are the only two that are comparable.
This D is going to need to be mostly replaced in the next 2-4 years. This is what's left of our window, if that. If we get Cutler, more O-line and those 2 WR's the O can be dominant and JA can draft mostly D for the next 3-4 years (by far his undisputed stronger side of the ball to draft) with some O-line and WR prospects sprinkled in and we might stay competitve for a long, long time.
But Kyle and the same plan is ok too if Denver wants too much. We just need the D to play that much better that much sooner. At least this offseason is exciting right? It's nice to feel in the mix for a change. Keep it going JA.
April 1, 2009
#65 Bryan said . . .Whatever, Urlacher. I'm tired of debating it with you. I can also drudge up stats on quarterbacks who made the Pro Bowl and were really really good too.
The whole deal with Cutler isn't about 2009! It's about 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016. It's about the ability to look beyond the present and build a team for the future as well. But what's the point of continuing this? You're not going to convince me that you are correct and I am not going to convince you. Besides, do the Bears have the onions to make a move on this anyway?
April 1, 2009
#66 jeff said . . .Kyle Orton
2009 First Round Pick
2010 Second Roundor
Kyle Orton
Nathan Vasher
2009 1st round pickApril 1, 2009
#67 Bryan said . . .urlacher, you're leaving out a major factor. CUTLER did it without the trademark running game the team had become known for in the elway and post-elway era. he WAS the offense.
April 1, 2009
#68 O-Line wins games said . . .Kyle Orton
Tommie Harris
2009 first round pickSorry Cutler haters but he's going to kick some a@$ wherever he goes.
April 1, 2009
#69 JDawg said . . .First, Josh McDaniels is a HUGE dick and honestly an idiot. So, I don't blame Cutler for not wanting to play for him. There is always 2 sides to the story.
Second, I agree with the Ghost of Halas pretty much on everything except I wouldn't be willing to give up Briggs, Harris, or Forte. Would be willing to give anyone else up though.
Third, don't compare Cutler to Griese they are nothing alike, I understand you are a fan and like Orton but that is very inaccurate. Orton is very comparable to Griese, e.g. game-manager, dink and dunk throws, NO deep ball, can't stretch the field so there is always 8 in the box, etc.
Fourth, RBs have an extremely short shelf life, 5-7 years if they are lucky, most QBs can play for 15 years if they chose to. There is really no comparison.
Fifth, Cutler would improve our running game. (No more 8 in the box every play and if they want to put 8 in the box Cutler actually has the arm to burn them.)
Sixth, GET JAY FUCKING CUTLER
April 1, 2009
#70 animal said . . .BREAKING:
Bears trade their 2009 #1, 2010#2, Hester, Briggs and Marcus Harrison for Cutler!
JA DID IT!
April 1, 2009
#71 Phantom One said . . .Addendum 4/1: Any debate against acquiring Jay Cutler should start this way. "I am A FUCKING RETARD."
April 1, 2009
#72 Fresno,CA BEAR FAN said . . .Right now Jerry is asking himself how much? And his answer will be - just enough. We have more to give than most teams, and there are plenty of short term solutions available for every roster need we have that can be filled to make a trade now.
Short term solution at safety - resign Mike Brown for another year.
Short term solution @ WR - sign and PLAY MIKE HAAS (heart is good enough for me).
Short term fix @ OT - sign Pace.
Short term fix a Guard - Omiyale
A long term solution to our QB dilemma is worth some short term sacrifice. And Jerry KNOWS THIS.
Jay Cutler will be a Bear when the dust settles. I feel it.
April 1, 2009
#73 Bryan said . . .FUCK CUTLER....I DONT WANT THE FUCKING PUSSY ON THE BEARS!...we are good with ORTON! why create holes to fill a hole that already has been filled?
April 1, 2009
#74 johnnyelpaso said . . .That's what I'm talkin' about. There some real feedback. Everyone is hating Cutler and Does everyone forget that John Elway was the pick of the Colts and he didn't want to play there. Eli didn't want to go to San Diego. What happened to those to guys. Both have won super bowls and led or steal are leaders of their teams. Cutler on the Bears would be a friggin' dream. The Bears have never, let me repeat never had a qb like Cutler.
April 1, 2009
#75 Anonymous said . . .post 33, you make alot of sense on your post. everyone wants cutler on our team, but everyone forgets that we have no recievers to throw to. orton is my qb of our future bears, without him, we are a rebuilding a team......i say to everyone stick to your guns and have a little faith on orton......hes a better qb than anyone available on FA because he knows our offensive system......hes paid his dues on the sidelines and learned the system....
April 1, 2009
#76 MattIsMyForte said . . .The people who are arguing in favor of Orton vs. Cutler are either:
1. Kyle's family
2. Don't know shit about footballApril 1, 2009
#77 Phantom One said . . .I am opposed to the Chicago Bears picking up the most athletic and strongest-armed quarterback in the history of their storied franchise because being athletic and having a strong arm doesn't mean you aren't a pussy.
If we get him, great, I'm just not down for all of this "give them whatever they want" shit. Stats are pretty. What has this kid done? Yes, he's thrown for like 10K yds in 3 years. Very, very impressive. I mean WOW impressive. How many playoff games has he played in? How many division games has he blown? They were a fucking "shoe-in" for the playoffs last year! They (he) blew it. Big time.
Fuck Jay Cutler.
mmmBearsss
April 1, 2009
#78 Tenacious D said . . .Matt -
How many playoff wins does KO have? Did I miss something?
April 1, 2009
#79 Duff Diggler said . . .Its as simple as this. Take your pick.
1) Cutler with same Bears supporting cast, or 2) Orton with improved line and receivers. You can't have both due to lost draft picks and salary cap limitations. I'll take #2.April 1, 2009
#80 Z said . . .....well, whatever happens, i want it to happen fast. I found it disturbing that Jay Cutler was the first thing i thought of when i woke up this morning.
bottom line: we have the resources to make this work. Does our brass have the balls, or is JA just holding VM's purse?
April 1, 2009
#81 do said . . .Tenacious that is a really tough call.
Duff that would make me a little nervous about falling asleep.
With JA's track record on early picks I really think Orton and a 1st and 3rd is not too much. We would still have a 2nd and 3rd and wouldn't create any new holes. Cutler is on his rookie contract for 3 more years right? How much does he cost? Sign Pace, Holt and Lucas and draft WR, O-line early and S, O-line, and D-line late and roll the dice on the D-line improving this year.
I predict this thread will hit 250 within 48 hours if Jeff lets it go that long. We can't help ourselves on this one.
April 1, 2009
#82 Albert in Tucson said . . .We better get Cutler becuase this is KO's last year in a Bears Uni. He has a really good season for a QB in Chicago and as soon as the season is over our GM says that we will be looking for a QB and during the offseason we try to trade for an upgrade.
What happens if we do not get Cutler now and Orton doesnt resign next year?
I would like you guys to help me welcome Tim Tebow to the Chicago Bears. Because we wont have a high enough pick for Bradford or McCoy. And this would really suck because I DO NOT want Tim on this team, unless it is to play full back.
April 1, 2009
#83 do said . . .My apologies, BDG. But I still think you're dreaming.
April 1, 2009
#84 JDawg said . . .Ok thinking more about the Cutler situation.
I know a lot of people have said that they think that Lovie will be let go after this season unless we have a really good year. (I dont think this but I have heard it from many different people.)
Well what if we were to trade for Cutler this year, the team tanks because it takes him time to learn the playbook or whatever and the Bears clean house and fire Lovie and JA?
Mike Shanahan.
April 1, 2009
#85 Z said . . .BREAKING NEWS!
Cutler traded to Bears for 2009 #1, 2010#2, Virginia McCaskey's Easy Spirits and a drop of Harry Potter's blood
April 1, 2009
#86 jdawg said . . .How hard is our playbook when our RB is our leading WR? I don't know but it seems Cutler could make all the dump off and TE passses we were making last year plus hit Hester on the deep ball much more often. He has already played successfully with Bennet plus there will be at least one or two new guys. I think with a whole preseason to get in the groove that it wouldn't be too bad but I am no expert. There is a lot of time until Week 1.
April 1, 2009
#87 Reality Check said . . .BREAKING NEWS!
Bears aquire Cutler in 3 team deal:
The Bears send the Vikings their 2009 #1 pick, a party hosted at the Mineshaft and a hand job by Tara Reid; The Vikings send the Broncos Chester Taylor, 10 lbs. of Spackle and a fish smoker.
April 1, 2009
#88 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Look, if we extend an offer to Cutler, we basically have to give the Broncos EVERYTHING. What good will that give us? We lose our draft picks, still no receivers, still no DBs that can guard, still a weak OL. Look, of course we all want a solid strong armed quaterback, but WHAT HAS CUTLER DONE EVER???? He couldnt win at Vanderbilt and he couldnt even take the Broncos to the playoffs against a conference that is more pathetic than the NFC North. Not worth it to get him, unless you want 4 years with a QB that has no one else on the team. Keep Orton around for now so we can build the rest of the team, then dump the neck beard one we got everything else covered.
April 1, 2009
#89 Shady said . . .Shut up, jdawg.
April 1, 2009
#90 MattIsMyForte said . . .JA is going to wait to see what other teams are offering for Cutler, his market value, and then make his decision from there. While I believe the Bears have a decent amount of assets to offer the Broncos, I worry about the Bears coming out on top of a bidding war seeing as how they are notorious low-ballers and when was the last time JA and his crew won a bidding war like this? I suppose there is a 1st time for everything.
I agree with the sentiment that while Cutler is certainly an improvement over Orton, there should be a limit on how much the Bears would be willing to give up. Right now, the most I'd like to give up would be the #18 pick, Orton, Mark Anderson and next years 4th rd. pick. That sounds fair, right?
I also think Tenacious D makes a good point, would you take Cutler with the supporting cast the Bears have now, or Orton with improvements on the line and WRs? For me, I'll take the QB. You can always sign a decent OT, OG or WR who your QB can make look a lot better than they really are. Franchise QBs don't come around very often and when they do you have to take advantage and build around the most important position in the game. Believe it or not I still have faith in JA and his staff, if there is a reasonable deal to be made with fair value I believe the Bears will make it. If the price range gets too high or just unreasonable, JA won't compromise what he's built to bring in a guy like Cutler.
April 1, 2009
#91 The Ghost of Halas said . . .#77 we are trying to aquire a QB who has no more playoff experience or better record than our current QB. He merely has better regular (8-8) season statistics. You guys are talking about giving anything and everything to make that happen.
Am I missing something?Ghost, lighten up. Jdawg, keep 'em comin
April 1, 2009
#92 MattIsMyForte said . . .You're missing everything Forte.
April 1, 2009
#93 MattIsMyForte said . . .Missing everything?
You HONESTLY believe that this kid would step right in and change everything?
You honestly think he is a "franchise QB" that will stabalize the position for "2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016" ???
Get real man.
Riddle me this old timer...who's he gonna throw to? Who's gonna protect his ass? Who's going to keep the opposing offense off the field? Who will do all of this and who will we get to fill our NEW needs if we trade everything for him?
And since you seem to take comments so litterally I have to add a disclaimer.
[I do not mean everything, but rather, new talent from the draft and current key position players]
April 1, 2009
#94 Aunt Ester said . . .Save it for your fantasy league guys.
April 1, 2009
#95 Z said . . .First off, wow this thread is blowing up fast, and I'm drunken typing.
It has become obvious that the Rex Grossman lovers have now become the get Jay Cutler at any cost group.
#51 He couldn't get the Broncos with an easier schedule to the playoffs.
#59 Especially with Marshall getting hip surgery. Cutler didn't stand a chance of producing the same numbers in 09. He is nothing but trade bait. Anyone that likes this trade thought that the Vikings made out with Walker.#66 The Broncos had a far better running game than the Bears last season. I think the Denver Donkeys avaeraged 4.9 per carry to the Bears 3.9. Who cares how many RB they used when they got better production.
#70 You got this part right , " I am A FUCKING RETARD."
#75 You are just mad because everyone here doesn't like your boyfreind Freeman.
#79 Does Rex Grossman consider this cheating?
#85 For a guy that has been questioned about his foot ball smarts I would say pretty hard!
Here's the best http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/27/cutler-alcohol-comment-resurfaces-on-fox31-blog/#comments
April 2, 2009
#96 Shady said . . .As long as we limit how much we are willing to give, we won't sacrifice the future. Isn't Orton going to have those same problems? Who to throw to, who to block for him and what secondary to stop the other teams WR's and what D-line to get to the other team's QB? How would keeping a 1st and 3rd and Orton and Anderson instead of getting Cutler change all of that?
That is what I think a lot of people's point is in favor of this is. If we don't give up too much as far as picks or players, with the addition of a QB that can make up for some of that loss and with JA's tendency to whiff on some high picks anyway, then securing the most important position by far on the field long term would be worth it.
At least the more teams involved hopefully the higher the price will be for whoever does get him if it can't be us and they will screw themselves long term.
April 2, 2009
#97 Frank Schoenburg said . . .Wow. I was actually proud of this group. Incredibly we made it rather far without the mention of Rex Grossman, but, alas there it goes:
Lovie Smith can't coach?
Rex vs. Kyle!Broke ass economy?
Rex vs. Kyle!Unstable middle east?
Rex vs. Kyle!The day we stop talking about Rex Grossman will be a glorious day indeed.
April 2, 2009
#98 The Ghost of Halas said . . .I am opposed to the Chicago Bears picking up the most athletic and strongest-armed quarterback in the history of their storied franchise because.... my prayers would be answered and I would have nothing to complain about.
April 2, 2009
#99 Z said . . .Love it, Shady!
April 2, 2009
#100 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Is this the fastest off season thread to ever hit 100 in Da Blog's noble history?
Courtesy of Mr. Cutler.
April 2, 2009
#101 Z said . . .It is now.
April 2, 2009
#102 do said . . .And I don't think it was so much that trades were discussed but that they initiated them and then denied it to him and he was convinced he had been lied to that made Cutler spazz. Still pretty sensitive though. Lovie would have to be careful with the "We will have a fair QB competition type quotes".
Denver's coach lost their Pro Bowl, likely franchise QB within months of being there. I would say he is already a little on the hot seat. Not a good way to start season.
April 2, 2009
#103 zisk said . . .People are always saying that the Broncos had a better running game than the Bears last year, the stats prove that, but did you ever stop and think that the running game was better because Cutler could stretch the field unlike Orton?
Also isn't it obvious that the WR might be better becuase Cutler is throwing the ball to them?
Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler all were better players because they played on the same team with Cutler. Think how much better Olsen, Hester and Bennett will be if they have the chance to play with this guy. We will not need to use the number 18 pick on a WR because by adding Cutler we will make our WR corp relevant.
April 2, 2009
#104 O-Line wins games said . . .the broncos have always had a good running game, not because of the quarterback but because their line can run block.
April 2, 2009
#105 Aunt Ester said . . .102 - Amen brother.
April 2, 2009
#106 BDG said . . .#102 The reason the Broncos can run the ball is their OL. This has been the case forever. It is a long standing fact that you could plug any RB in a Broncos RB spot and get production. Now of course a deep threat makes this easier, but having Brandon Marshal who is a great WR regardless of what team he would play on is a factor. If it wasn't than someone might actually pick up Loyd or Booker instead of them riding pine, because nobody is saying they would be great WR if they didn't have Orton throwing to them.
"We will not need to use the number 18 pick on a WR because by adding Cutler we will make our WR corp relevant." I don't think I even need to respond to this.
April 2, 2009
So Albert if I'm so far off I'm curious what do you see as fair market value for Cutler. I would like to hear what everyone thinks honest market value should be. I've become stunned people want to give up the team for the next 4 years to have a QB that no one can say 100% is the real deal.
April 2, 2009
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