RECEIVERS EVERYWHERE!
The papers are obsessed with the Bears finding a wide receiver to lineup opposite Devin Hester. This is what happens when you bring in the first franchise arm in franchise history. Brad Biggs has receivers coach Daryl Drake working out kids around the country. Carol "Even I'm Surprised I Still Have a Job" Slezak thinks the Bears need to sign the possibly-incarcerated, definitely-suspended Plaxico Burress. (Haugh wisely disagrees, while succumbing to a moronic lead paragraph.) Vaughn McClure has some of Lovie's positive comments on Torry Holt in here.
You know what I would do? ("What Jeff? What would you do?") I would sign the whole lot of em. Torry Holt. Plax. Marvin Harrison. I'd stockpile at the position and let them work it out in training camp. This team is still deeply under the cap and, without the pressure of a first round selection, can afford to be a bit frivolous this month.
BRING BACK MIKE BROWN
Since clearly there's been a limited market for Mr. Brown's services, I think it's time Jerry Angelo and the Chicago Bears consider bringing him back into the organization on a one-year deal. Unless they believe he's unable to perform at a professional level, Brown's leadership and occasional big-play ability override whatever the financial commitment there might be. And if he gets injured, he gets injured. So what.
#2 Life Without Pants said . . .Bring back Brownie and if he doesn't do the job, make him an assistant safety coach. But someone else still needs to be signed there just in case.
April 8, 2009
#3 Albert in Tucson said . . .I wish they would hurry up and sign one of these FA wideouts - then I can really start getting excited about this offense (as if I'm not already excited enough).
April 8, 2009
#4 BearsTransplant said . . .OK Bears, Jeff instructed you regarding Cutler you listened and now he has outlined the fix at wide receiver. So, what's HOLTing things up!? Torry Holt would SEEM to be the perfect fit opposite the "Burner but still a learner'" Devin Hester. Maybe Holt's old Rams connection with Lovie will eventually tip the scales towards the Bears. On the other hand, THAT'S how we wound up with Adam Archuleta. Ew!I do not see filling that hole with a draft pick. The statistics on rookie wideouts who make the kind of impact the Bears are looking for from that position are grim. As for Mike Brown, yeah make him a coach, but I think his skills as a player have just been too eroded by the plethora of injuries that derailed a potential Hall Of Fame career. And please, let's not even JOKE about going after future felon, Plaxico Burress. The next number he wears will be a lot more that just 2 digits.
April 8, 2009
#5 MaddBearFan said . . .Torry Holt played in a dome his whole career, played college ball down South, (NC State) and has no desire to play at a snowy Soldier Field, from what I've read anyways.
We don't have the ammo to pick up Boldin any more, and I really have no desire to see any of the the bang-bang wideout morons who keep shooting themselves/other people, in Chicago (Harrison and Burres). I say pick up Ocho-Cinco for a 2nd rounder. Screw it. What's the chance we're going to get any contribution at receiver out of the 2nd round anyways? 50% at best. We're going to be seeing a lot of passes to Olsen, Clark, and Forte. Could be a lot worse.
April 8, 2009
#6 Mike Brown said . . .Yeah, I agree about Mike too. He should at least be given the opportunity if he feels he could do it physically, and draft someone he could mentor at the same time.
As far as WR Holt may be the best choice. Burress may be talented but he's just a little short in the common sense dept.( or just plain stupid). He's got way too much baggage that Lovie most likely won't want to have to deal with.
Something else I think may be prudent( are we allowed to use these kind of words here) is to look at some Dline players. Some of the guy's are getting up there in years (30 ish) and now would be a good time to start thinking about it. I feel we have a couple years left in most of them, and with Jay at the helm of the offense, he might be able to give the defense a little rest time instead of them having to play for 2/3 to 3/4 of the game since neither Rex or Kyle could consistantly move the ball down the field. Kyle was better than Rex, but not much.
I also don't see the Bears becoming a big passing team team this year either. We'll probably see more passes , but I think that just the presence of Mr. Cutler on the field and his reputation will make the opposing teams defenses pull back and we can burn them with the run or the pass! This also will give Hester and ______ ( fill in the blank) time to get their timing down.
This much I am sure of : "It will be a VERY ENTERTAINING year of BEARS football to watch this year! I feel a lot more confident that we will get to the playoffs this season. And should I dare say if we do get to the Superbowl, I hope we'll be playing the Patriot's and we stuff them again like we did in 85!April 8, 2009
#7 Adam said . . .Don't talk about me coming back to these sorry chumps.
Urlacher can't seem to stuff the run and I always have to come up and make the hit.
I tell you, the guys weak and I don't want no part it no more.
Why do you think I was hurt all the time? I had to play mine and his position. Can't do.
April 8, 2009
#8 Phil from SATX said . . .I'm in favor of bringing Brown back for a one year "no risk" deal. If he works out, then sign him again, if not, thanks for the memories. It seems clear that nobody else wants to touch the guy. He's worth what little risk there is.
April 8, 2009
#9 BearsFanInBrussels said . . .I think we're not thinking straight on Mike Brown. He was clearly not good enough last year. Add one more year to his aging body. You can't look at our roster and say, I'd take Mike over these guys - instead, you need to look at our roster and say, if these guys aren't good enough, we need to get someone good enough! I would, of course, take him in a heartbeat as a coach.
April 8, 2009
#10 Max said . . .Question Jeff:
Plax, despite his off court issues, didn't want to discuss his contract with the Giants.
Holt and Harrison are future HOF'ers, and Holt in particular presumably has other offers on the table.
Why would any of them (as proud modern age veteran athletes) accept a situation where they would have to prove themselves worthy of a spot in the starting line-up?
(don't get me wrong, i would love this situation, but i have been following this website for a while now, and you usually come up with more realistic suggestions....)
April 8, 2009
#11 Z said . . .Ok Phil, so if Mike Brown is to old and these guys are not good enough, who is should we be going after? I only ask because the market is pretty bare right now and I think we need more help at receiver in the second round than we do safety.
I will state I am biased cause I want Mike Brown back
April 8, 2009
#12 BearsFanInBrussels said . . .I agree what is the harmin bringing Brown back. Isn't that the 1st year he was healthy and a year removed from serious surgery? I'm not saying he will improve much but what makes it too risky to find out? And he can transtition right to coaching if other people beat him out. Win, win.
I say also do with S what Jeff is saying with WR. Bring in a bunch and let camp show us who looks good enough to keep around.
April 8, 2009
#13 Vizzini said . . .Bears fans, what do you guys think about Lance Moore ? Restricted FA, and i read he could be had for a 2nd rounder. I read an article a while back on The National Football Post, suggesting he could be ready for a Welker-type breakout year.
So we trade our 2nd rounder for Moore, and make him our nr.1. That would be a way of avoiding risking drafting a bust.
April 8, 2009
#14 BDG said . . .Just out of curiousity, why not go after ocho cinco? If they could do a trade like Urlacher suggested throwing in Rasheed Davis that would be a double bonus. Then they could pick up Ramsey or Kelly later in the draft.
April 8, 2009
#15 do said . . .I'm torn on Brown. Part of me says give him a lifetime play if you can and the coaches think you can then become coach contract and part of me says he is just a shell of his former self so the roster spot is way to valuable to give to a probable part time S that can't contribute on special teams. I will say Mike Brown IS and ALWAYS WILL BE one of my favorite Bears. I just think it might be more beneficial to give somebody else a chance now even if it is Bullucks or Glenn Earl (who I'm slightly excited we signed). I'm not going to write off Bullucks yet either even though I saw the same ugly play you all have seen on the videos, he was one of the top S's in college just a couple years ago so I'm staying positive the coaches can help him if he ends up there.
I would give a 2nd for Chad Johnson- would be a steal IMO although he's a idiot stays out of serious trouble and is VERY good
I wouldn't give a 2nd for Lance Moore - I think he is a system WR that flourished in a dome and with Brees. Plus we need a bigger guy
Why would ANY team want to trade for Rashied?? They get paid to evaluate talent and clearly can see what we say last year. No value what so ever in trades.
I agree with MADD that we have to get some youth at Dline, and I think we will run the ball heavy again this year to give Cutler time to get to know the plays better and to ease our development at WR.
I'm 86% sure Torry Holt is not coming here. I think he is the One guy that JA would go hard after right now and if he was going to come I think it might already have happened.April 8, 2009
#16 BDG said . . .I don't know about trading for Moore or Ocho Cinco.
I think Moore might be the product of the pass happy Saints offense. While he has put up really good stats the last two years I think it is a big risk considering the offense he is coming from.
I think it would be a waste for us to trade a 2nd rounder this year for Chad. The guy is 31 and MIGHT have 3 more years in the tank. Why would we not draft a WR with the 2nd pick and have them for 10+ years?
Also I think everyone might be jumping the gun thinking that JA will draft a WR with the 2nd pick in the draft. I think he will see a FS like Chung or Delmas. The only way I could see us taking a WR is if Nicks, Britt or Robieske fall to us which I dont know will happen since the Giants, Dolphins, 9ers and Raiders are all picking ahead of us in the 2nd round.
April 8, 2009
#17 BDG said . . .OH yeah GOOOO BEAARRRSS
HIP HIP FORTE!April 8, 2009
#18 Reverend Dave said . . .Do with Chad Johnson we would have a #1 right now for 3 years. A second rounder may take 3 yrs. to come to fruition. That's the only reason I would do it for Ocho . He has to be humbled after last year too so he should be highly motivated.
April 8, 2009
#19 Fresno,CA BEAR FAN said . . .Phil I can definitely look around our roster and say Id take Brownie over Bullocks. Even beyond my blind love for Mike at his worst last year he did not look any worse than anything I have seen out of Bullock clips. And I cant imagine Bullocks approaching his intangibles.
April 8, 2009
#20 jeff said . . .holt is not interested in coming to chicago....burress is going to jail......mike brown should come back!..........
April 8, 2009
#21 Z said . . .1. i think mike brown maybe isn't an every down player anymore but i find it hard to believe he has nothing left in the tank.
2. holt, harrison...etc. they wouldn't be fighting for a spot on the roster. they'd become role players, which in harrison's case is exactly what he needs.
3. lance moore feels to me like a system receiver. i get the feeling that receivers in new orleans will be like running backs used to be in denver. the system will produce successful players.
April 8, 2009
#22 Z said . . .So I couldn't sleep last night and instead of doing something productive I went through all 237 of these mock drafts to see what these people thought we would do. (kidding, but I did go through all of them since "The trade heard round the world".)
I have no idea if these people know anything about football but they did put the effort in to make a mock draft out of either love of football, hope of future advertising money or a job or to try to get a virus on my computer.
http://www.walterfootball.com/draftdata.php
April 8, 2009
#23 Z said . . .And here is what they thought (Some are ridiculous and they will be long gone)
I am more interested in what you think:
Rd 2Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
Phillip Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio St.
Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma
Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
Max Unger, C, Oregon
Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
Victor Harris, CB, VT
William Beatty, OT, UCONN
Mike Mickens, CB, Cincy
Mike Wallace, WR/KR, Mississippi
Sean Smith, CB/S, Utah
JARRON GILBERT, DE, San Jose St
DARIUS BUTLER, CB, CONNECTICUT
Herman Johnson, OG, LSU
D. J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn St.
Patrick Chung, S, Oregon
Rd 3Alex Magee, DT, Purdue
Kyle Moore, DE, USC
Trevor Canfield, OG, Cincinnati
Aaron Kelly, WR, Clemson
CHIP VAUGHN, S, Wake Forest
Vance Walker, DT, Georgia Tech
RAMSES BARDEN, WR, CAL POLY
Brandon Williams, DE, Texas Tech
Derek Pegues, FS, Miss. St.
Coye Francies, CB, San Jose St
Rd 4Will Davis, DE, ILL
Coye Francies, CB, San Jose St
Nate Davis, QB, Ball St.
Zack Follett, OLB, California
AUSTIN COLLIE, WR, BYU
Derek Pegues, FS, Miss. St.
Darcel McBath, S, Texas Tech
Fenuki Tupou, OT, Oregon
LOUIS VASQUEZ, G, TEXAS TECH
Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
David Veikune, DE, Hawaii
Rd 5 earlyJohn Gill, DT, Northwestern
Nic Harris, LB, Oklahoma
Brian Hartline, WR, Ohio St
Herman Johnson, OG, LSU
TJ Lang, OT, Eastern Michigan
James Davis, RB, Clemson
Alex Boone, OT, Ohio St.
Rd 5 lateAndrew Gardner, OT, Georgia Tech
Derek Pegues, S, Mississippi St
Brandon Long, DE, Michigan St
Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon St
Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois
Will Davis, DE, Illinois
Mark Parson, CB, Ohio
Rd 6Andy Kemp, G, Wisconsin
Orion Martin, DE, Va Tech
Rd 7Jeremiah Johnson, RB, Oregon St.
Kyle Link, OT, McNeese St.
Jonathan Casillas, OLB, Wisconsin
So sorry or your welcome.April 8, 2009
#24 Murph said . . .And that 5th rounder we got is the 4th pick of that round so it is almost like a very late 4th rounder with Bear goggles on.
April 8, 2009
#25 Al In WI said . . .I know Louis Murphy is big, fast and strong, and he has good hands....lot of practice catching those knuckleballs from Tebow. Delmas would be a good pick too
April 8, 2009
#26 oliver clothesoff said . . .Bring back Brown. As a matter of principle he should always have a place on this team. He's one of the greats, and to be honest he's not THAT old. In fact he's younger than Torry Holt. And there were still 3 or 4 games last season that Mike was the best defender on the field for the Bears.
And yes, sign Holt. We need this to happen.April 8, 2009
#27 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Bears Bears Bears Bears Bears!!!!
April 8, 2009
#28 Vizzini said . . .Wait until after the Draft. Letting Mike Brown go was the best business decision. He has not been "100%" since 2003! He's got to be the most oft-injured player in the league. If I was Jerry Angelo and I could talk Mike Brown down to $7.50/hour then I'd consider bringing him back. But Brown had become SUCH a liability! Even with Brown starting 15 games, the Bears were 30th ranked pass defense. Does Mike Brown still have that magic spark? I say no. Is he better than Craig Steltz or whoever might be picked up in the 4th or 5th Round? I have no idea. Only time would tell.
I don't blame the Bears for getting rid of him. He was just WAY too much of a business liability.
April 8, 2009
#29 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .BDG-I don't think they would want to trade for Davis as much as it would be great to sneak him in the deal. Losing Ocho Cinco would make two major WR loses for the Bengals. So since they have become the new home of washed up Bears with the Tank signing, why not Davis. We just need to find a felony record on him and the Bengals will be drooling for him.
April 8, 2009
#30 Wayne said . . .Mike Brown for sure, even if he isn't great anymore, he's still one of the leaders of this team.
and since he'll go down about 6 games in anyways, we'll get to see what Earl and Bullocks have.I'm still on the Harrison train over CJ, TH or anyone else.
April 8, 2009
#31 BDG said . . .Holt, Plax, Marvin, Brown... perfect. Sounds perfect to me.
April 8, 2009
#32 Max said . . .VIZZINI- trust me I'm with you bro if we could dump him that would be great. I think Brandon Rideau should have his roster spot so yeah I like the idea of planting some weed on Rashied to entice the Bungles.
I tell you after reading up on Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama I am really liking this kid. He sounds a lot like who we don't want to see go Mr. Mike Brown. Size, intelligence, skills sound very similar. I would really like to get a WR w/ the 2nd rd. pick but if this kid is still there I would be very happy to have a young Mike Brown if it panned out. I think with the coaching changes, the better offense you will see our D improve dramatically this year no matter what. Steltz was one hell of a player at LSU so we have some options I think. Could they be better sure but we should be ok there. I would love to see A WR signed before the draft to give us much more flexibility with those 1st 3 picks we have. Right now I don't see how 2 of 3 can't be WR and S or even 2 WR's and a SApril 8, 2009
#33 Mike Brown said . . .I think in terms of depth and leadership, bringing Mike Brown back would be a good decision.
He is an emotional leader of not just the defense, but the entire team as well.
I understand his injury problems. I am not saying he should be a starter necessarily. And I know we have fresh blood in the defensive backfield.
But Bullucks played for a defense that was still ranked 23 in the league, and looked downright awful from the video clips. In four years (62 total games played) he has recorded 208 tackles, 1 sack, and 6 interceptions.
In comparison to Brown who, in the past four years (34 total games played), has recorded 172 tackles, 2 sacks, and 6 interceptions.
Again the argument is 62 vs 34 games, but if he is healthy, then Mike Brown would seem to be the superior player. And if he gets hurt, Bullucks is still there to step in.
The only other options are Glenn Earl (who hasnt played in two years, partially due to an INJURY he suffered against CEDRIC BENSON) and Manning who I believe is still listed as a possible safety option which would be the end of all creation.
Shoot, best part about Mike Brown... he loves the Bears so much he might just agree to $7.50/hr
April 8, 2009
#34 jdawg said . . .$7.50/hour? Thats what I pay your mama for a nights work.
I think you just concentrate on bringing all the Rams rejects to the Bears. They've had such great success over the last couple years.
April 8, 2009
#35 Adrian Peterson said . . .did anyone hear the interview with Pace on ESPN? They asked him about Holt and Pace's words were that Holt told Pace: "tell Lovie to call me."
f'shizzle
April 9, 2009
#36 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Dream on Bears fan. I'm going to smoke your sorry asses when we play ya.
Erlacher ain't shit. Fact is we don't need no QB to bust your asses.
See ya in the fall fagaggles.
April 9, 2009
#37 Adrian Peterson said . . .Lol @ AP
hope you had fun at the top of the Division last year, thanks for keeping the seat warm for us.
April 9, 2009
#38 bigbearfan said . . .Not only is it warm, I had it bronzed. You get all excited all you want about Cuntler, but he can't throw any TD's while the rock is tucked under my arm and I'm torching your asses for about 250-260.
Ask Erlacher how he felt after I ran over his weak ass.
April 9, 2009
#39 Murph said . . .I just heard a news report that said Denver was willing to gave up Cutler because his diabetes was causing him waredown and lose focus toward the end of games.
Does anybody know about this?
April 9, 2009
#40 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Max, I dont think those stats makeBrown a superior player, although I agree he is better. All those tackles mean is our line and linebackers were sucking making the safety make all those stops.
April 9, 2009
#41 The Ghost of Halas said . . .enjoy your 36 carries a game season because T-Jack is awful, and your short career cause the kness can't take it.
after everyone of your "touchdown runs"
Cutler will have the ball anyways, and destroy your D.*yawn
April 9, 2009
#42 Adrian Peterson said . . .You guys have to realize that this is a business. You pay your men to play and give you results. Mike Brown may be a fan favorite, a great leader, and probably could have been a Hall of Famer if it was not for the injuries, but he missed what, 48 games in 5 years?
Do you remember the last GREAT Mike Brown play? The last one I remember was maybe 2002 or 2003. If you want to be really generous, the 2006 game against the Cardinals when he scored on the Mark Anderson sack which caused Leinhart to fumble on the 7 or 10 yard line and Brown had the awareness to charge the loose ball, pick it up, and get into the endzone.
I love Mike Brown just as much as the next fan, but I understand why he's not on the roster. That's all I'm saying. Does he bring that much to the game these days? Was it not Mike Brown who blew the coverage in Atlanta which caused the last-second 48 yard field goal? If they can't pick someone up in the Draft then I'd say bring Brown back. I don't trust Craig Steltz to anchor the secondary. I don't trust Kevin Payne to do it either, for that matter.
April 9, 2009
#43 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Foxtrot Tango Packers, who he going to throw to? DH?
TJ may suck, but all he has to do is hand the ball to me 36 times a game and maybe 25 to Chester.
Your defense sucks so bad.I've been in the league two years and everytime I've played ya, your defense was scared.
Four games and I think I got maybe 700-800 yards alone.
I can't wait for cooked bear next fall.
April 9, 2009
#44 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Hey, Peterson.
Have you ever heard the John Heisman quote?
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."
Hmm. I suppose not.
April 9, 2009
#45 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .yes, the vikings have me so scared, i forget they are in our divison.
with the highest paid Line in the NFL, a guy with no legs could have a 1,000 yard season.
I think now is the appropriate time to cue the viewing of "the missing rings" you'll notice the Chicago Bears dont have an episode on that, but the Vikings do, last i checked anyways.
April 9, 2009
#46 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Halas,
not a fan of Payne? not even a little? the guy hits like a Mack Truck, and had a few interceptions, i thought he flashed talent last year personally. thoughts?
Steltz got run over a lot, i remember highlights of that, so i'm not high on him in the pro's
April 9, 2009
#47 cbears said . . .Payne certainly is a hard-hitter. But he does what I ALWAYS coached my defensive players not to do...he sacrifices tackles for hits.
Since we're talking about Peterson, I recall the game at the Rollerdome in November when Peterson was stopped up by the line and linebackers. Payne hit the pile and sprung AP loose for a long run.
I like Payne, I just don't trust him to call for the secondary.
April 9, 2009
#48 Max said . . .ghost is right...
Payne plays like he has no arms, and i dont ever recall him wrapping up.
April 9, 2009
#49 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Wraps up better than Steltz does...
April 9, 2009
#50 Vizzini said . . .Steltz is too busy getting run over, so i've never seen him attmpt to wrap up, but Payne does go for the hit an awful lot
April 9, 2009
#51 MikeBrownhadaPosse said . . .They need to make an all out attempt on Holt. As much as I didn't like the idea before, he is probably the best solution. Especially if you factor being able to use the 2nd round pick for something else.
April 9, 2009
#52 MikeBrownhadaPosse said . . .I think it's a matter of record that Marcus Hamilton blew the coverage versus Atlanta, which frankly makes a ton more sense than blaming it on MB. That's why the guy was benched for the rest of the freaking season. MB is most assuredly not the reason that the Bears pass coverage sucked. You can chalk that up to having close to no pass rush even with the insane amount of blitzing. Hell, the most effective way they got to the QB in the second half of the season was bringing Tillman off the edge. MB was spending way more time crowding the line of scrimmage as an extra LB than he was in coverage.
April 9, 2009
#53 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Yo, AP...if your bitch@ss was that great, Childress wouldn't be pulling you off the field every third down.
Great runner, not a great running back, you dig?
April 9, 2009
#54 MikeBrownhadaPosse said . . .MikeBrownhadaPosse,
Are you finished deifying Mike Brown yet? Are you a Bears fan or a Mike Brown fan? Come on, pal.
April 9, 2009
#55 Z said . . .I don't think saying that Marcus Hamilton was the CB who forgot where he was on the play against Atlanta amounts to deifying Mike Brown. As soon as I find footage, I'll post it.
CBs cover on the edge, not safeties. Are we going to blame him for how bad the pass rush was? Because had it not taken blitzing CBs to get sacks, the secondary may have looked a tad bit better.
Do I think he's lost several steps? Yes. Does that mean he can't be useful in specific packages? No.
Look, I don't think he would be starting by the end of the season anyway, but he still has utility on the field.April 9, 2009
#56 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Have to go with the Posse on this one. I would say the blame on that play goes 1. Hamilton 2. Babich then 3. MB
I don't think any of us are under the illusion that we will ever see the old MB back. The question is who do we have that is proven better? Why not bring him back for depth and certain packages at the minimum or incentive-laden until we have too much talent at the position, then cut him. Seems like a low risk/medium reward deal to me at one of our thinnest/unproven positions.
April 9, 2009
#57 MikeBrownhadaPosse said . . .Okay, I'll admit it. It was Hamilton. I just remembered Brown taking the blame.
But I stand by everything else I said like Davy Crockett at the Alamo!
Brown is NOT the correct business option.
April 9, 2009
#58 And AP is still a fumbling machine... said . . .If I honestly thought they were bringing in a free-agent safety that was an improvement on Payne, I would agree with you. I just don't think Bullocks is it. I think that Brownie still has enough in the tank to justify an incentive-laden contract and then transition to a coaching gig, maybe even over the course of the season.
And dear god, I need to find cheap tickets to the Broncos-Bears preseason game.
April 9, 2009
#59 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Sorry, just had to throw that in there.
MBHAP
April 9, 2009
#60 Idonije said . . .I still think Brown presents a more logical answer than Earl, Bullocks, Payne, Steltz, Manning
April 9, 2009
#61 Idonije said . . .Does anyone else ever get the advertisement on here for buying Muhsin Muhammad gear from NFL shop?
Doesn't that shit make you want to throw up?
April 9, 2009
#62 Chi Trib article said . . .Hey Adrian Peterson, will you look at some stats with me?
Did you know that Matt Forte had more total yards then Adrian Peterson did his rookie year?
Did you know that Matt Forte is a 3 down back who has 50% more receptions in 1 year then Peterson has had in 2 years?
Did you know that Peterson has fumbled 13 times in 30 games?
Speaking of 30 games, Matt Forte played all 16 games his rookie year, Peterson couldn't pull that off.
Did you know that your beloved Peterson's yards per catch and carry both dropped in his 2nd year?
Did you know that Matt Forte is a more rounded running back who can catch the ball out of the backfield and create plays not only on the ground?
Did you know that you are another annoying vikings fan who is scared to death that if the lions take stafford and he is half as good as Flacco or Ryan was last year, your vikings will have the worst quarterback in the entire division?
April 9, 2009
#63 Shady said . . .Future Hall of Fame left tackle Orlando Pace, now a member of the Bears, wouldn't mind luring ex-St. Louis Rams teammate Torry Holt to Chicago.
"I spoke to Torry," Pace said. "It's funny he was just probably at my house a few days before I even came here. I think he's just out searching. I'm probably recruiting him in Chicago here. And hopefully it works out."
Holt, 32, is one of the top veteran receivers on the market after being released by the Rams last month. He has visited both Jacksonville and Tennessee without agreeing to a contract.
The Bears haven't ruled out adding a veteran receiver, and Holt and Bears coach Lovie Smith have a relationship dating back to Smith's days at the Rams defensive coordinator.
April 9, 2009
#64 Shady said . . .Whoa, miss a little miss a lot on here. Who is this douche dave? What a dick. Stick to football jackass.
Z that's quite a list you've amassed there. I've been checking out prospects in the draft as well and the list goes on and on. But I've realized a few things. First, there is no way to tell what the Bears are going to do. The best person to ask in regards to the draft has to be Spanish Bear for actually guessing correctly on Williams, Forte as well as Bennett. Secondly and more importantly, JA needs to find a difference maker for 2009. It doesn't matter the round nor the position, the Bears need to find a winner in the 2009 NFL draft.
One easy way for JA to get the best of the Cutler trade is by hitting on one of his eight picks. The only argument for why the Bears might end up on the short end of the trade is that they gave up too much. Well if you're of those people, you're making a pretty big assumption that the player you select in the 1st round is going to step right in and contribute right away guaranteed. Let me tell you, Bears fans have seen more than their fair share of 1st round picks go by the way side, and the fact is 1st rounders rarely turn out the way you'd hope they would.
I suppose the other argument you could have against the trade would be if you believe Orton is a better QB than Cutler, but if you actually believe that you are automatically disqualified from the argument 'cause you sir are retahhded. If Jerry can find a boom in this years draft, no matter what the position, he will personally have his team from good to great again this off season.
April 9, 2009
#65 Z said . . .*taken* his team from good to great.
Can you imagine how amazing this team could be with a pickup like Holt and hitting on 2 or more draft picks?
You can do it Jerry!
April 9, 2009
#66 Idonije said . . .Wow I didn't realize that Spanish Bear hit on all 3 of those picks. What do see in your crystal ball this year Spanish? How do we get you to replace Kiper's hair and make you some money off of this talent?
April 9, 2009
#67 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1406&play_clip=Y
April 9, 2009
#68 Z said . . .I read somewhere that Orlando Pace spoke with Torry Holt and in response to coming to Chicago he said "Tell Lovie to call me"
April 9, 2009
#69 déjà vu said . . .Hey AP fans.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80fad80b&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=trueThoughts?
April 9, 2009
#70 Z said . . .In 2006 when the Bears reached the Super Bowl, the Steelers entered the season as the defending champions, the Bears opened the season in Green Bay and the Super Bowl was held in Miami.
April 9, 2009
#71 O-line wins games said . . .Ha! And I got comment #69. I am going to go celebrate.
April 9, 2009
#72 jdawg said . . .AP next year... slow, fumbling, 2 down back!
In the end, I think their coaches will talk him out of the weight gain.Williams steroid wall better get their 4 game suspension to start next year. Period. You listening Goodell.
Pick #49...
WR:
Robiskie (if there)
Iglesias (2nd choice)FS:
Smith (if there)
Johnson (2nd choice)April 9, 2009
#73 Adrian Peterson said . . .you know, I'm a Bears fan but the AP bashing is a little much. The guy is a beast and those fumbles, if I remember correctly, were usually the result of him trying to get that extra yard.
That being said, if you compare AP's total yards and fumbles to Forte's, Forte compares pretty nicely with AP.
April 9, 2009
#74 Adrian Peterson said . . .Idonije-I guess you'd know about bad QB's wouldn't you? You've had bout 25 to figure out what is bad.
As for Forte, ask him who's his daddy. I am. He said so himself.
His mammy came to Texas one day and well, you know, we had a one year wonder.
April 9, 2009
#75 Adrian Peterson said . . .Foxtrot Tango Packers-Once upon time there was FTP, came to "da bear" site and what did he see, a hole lotta talk bout the NFC, till the sun came up, and its back to reality.
AP that is! Black gold!
April 9, 2009
#76 Adrian Peterson said . . .O-line wins games-Bout the only way you're going to beat us is by the league suspending us.
Beyond that, no way you beat us. Your D couldn't stop shit from rolling uphill. You dig?
April 9, 2009
#77 Max said . . .jdawg-Comparable? Man I started 9 games, avg. 5.6 yard/carry, 12 TD's, caught 19 for 268.
Imagine if I'd started all 16. 2000 Baby.
Forte had the numbers he had because you had no one else to play. 3.6 per carry aint shit man. Goerge Halas had don't that several time watching you QB play the last few years.
Plus, I had CT to back me as a rookie. He still nailed down 850.
So come on man, give me my respect. Even a Bear fan has to acknowledge I'm the man.
April 9, 2009
#78 jdawg said . . .We need a free agent receiver and a second round pick.
All of us have gone over the half dozen best options on the market (maybe more)
If, for some unknown reason, the Bears do not take a receiver in the second, who is the third round or later pick that you like that could be available?
I am not sure about where these guys are projected, but I like what I hear about Turner. I know Kenny Britt and Robiskie will be gone, but how about Mohamed Massaquoi out of Georgia? Or Derrick Williams out of Penn St? I realize Williams is a Hester type receiver, but he is still exciting and might be there in the third.
A late round selection that I think could fill in nicely is Tiquan Underwood, the other receiver from Rutgers. Think Brandon Lloyd type player except without the injuries.
April 9, 2009
#79 Adrian Peterson said . . .AP
Please re-read my post.
Also, you're obviously getting worked up, so wipe the slobber off your chin and keyboard. I'm having trouble with your creative spelling.
April 9, 2009
#80 jdawg said . . .jdawg-Ebonics man. What you sayin. Spelling aint got nothing to do with it.
My stats do.
I say Forte fades like Green Bays Grant. Then what? Your ass will be sucking wind.
Then Cutlers true colors will emerge. The guy is nothing more then the second coming of Jeff George.
Million dollar arm and a ten cent brain.
April 9, 2009
#81 The Ghost of Halas said . . .you forgot to say:
MARS BITCHES!
April 9, 2009
#82 Duff Diggler said . . .Haha! A Vikings fan makes fun of how bad Bears quarterbacks are?
Pal, TARVARIS JACKSON.
SAGE ROSENFELS.
I'm shaking!
And Peterson is too much of a flashy pussy to be the full time back. That ain't no shit, Peterson is a great runner but an average to sub-par Running Back. Forte's stats are actually comparable. Like the fumbles (AP 9, Forte 1) and total touchdowns (AP 10 (all rushing), Forte 12 (8 rushing, 4 recieving)). Reciving Yards (AP 21 for 125, Forte 63 for 477).
Plus, Forte is a 16 game starter and a third down back. Peterson is flashy, sure, but not tough enough. In the old days, if he had gone up against someone like Butkus he would be eating applesauce and getting coloring books for Christmas for the rest of his life (stole that from Foxworthy)
He is NOT a complete football player. Forte is.
April 9, 2009
#83 Duff Diggler said . . .I have a thought for a 4th/5th rd pick if he's there......
P.J. Hill, RB, Wisconsin, 5'11" 236lbs.
He's a punisher. Bettis/Dayne style RB. Perfect compliment for Forte. He has some off-the-field issues (in the form of multiple DUIs), which is why i see him dropping.... but with a 4th/5th rd pick (if there), i can see the bears taking a chance on him. Plus, he might develope into that FB we've been missing....
thoughts?
April 9, 2009
#84 Duff Diggler said . . .AP, enjoy it while you can. You're good, but you're also fragile (with a case of fumblitis). No QB again? I give you 2-3 more really good years (barring injury), then backing up someone like Darren Sproles....
April 9, 2009
#85 NittyGritty34 said . . .Plus, it figures that a Queens fan is on Da Bears Blog....
....we have to pay ur players and buy tickets when the bears come to play. I mean geez, ur lousy fan base can't even sell out a home playoff game. Therefore, im sure ur options are pretty limited when it comes to queen blogs. Because to have a blog, one must have passion, which u guys lack. But whatever, you wanna talk queens, lets talk queens.... lets see....
Ok, I got one....
Do you think u'll still be called the queens (purple is the color of royalty, right?) when you move to LA (like the Lakers)? Or do you think u'll have some other gay-ass name?
April 9, 2009
#86 Idonije said . . .A.P.,
You and your Queen friends know you were hoping and praying you could land Cutler. Bashing on him now just makes you look weak, which you probably are. As for A.P. (the real one) I am objective enough to admit that any team in the league would love to have this guy, but you have to admit, the fumbles are a real problem. I'm happy with Forte, and I'm looking forward to wasting your sorry asses this year. Good luck with T. Jack and B. Chill as coach. Now piss off.
April 9, 2009
#87 Max said . . .I don't think anyone is bashing AP, just making sure that everyone knows he isn't any better really than Forte...actually when you look at the numbers Forte was superior their rookie years.
April 9, 2009
#88 the original adrian peterson said . . .Duff, I like that. He runs well going downhill. He would be a nice compliment to Forte. Then the question becomes, who do you remove from our current RBs?
Specially if we can snag him in the fourth round or later
April 9, 2009
#89 The Ghost of Halas said . . .I'm the 3rd string running back and I'm a more complete back than you. I can actually catch and block on third down.
April 9, 2009
#90 jdawg said . . .Actually, I am bashing AP.
April 9, 2009
#91 Duff Diggler said . . .I guess I've entered some cruel alternate reality when I find myself an apologist for the starting RB for the Vikes.
Oh well, enough of that.
This is a wierd time to be a Bears fan, sort of like getting a new bike for Christmas -- you just stare at it waiting for the weather to get better.
April 9, 2009
#92 Duff Diggler said . . .Max, that is a good question. I like all of our RBs. So lets break it down....
Wolfe- I love his potential. I think he is one of the most under-utilized bears. Plus how many time do you see him staring down a fair-catching punt returner face to face. So I say hell no to letting hill take his roster spot.
McKie-The guy has like 29 career carries in 72 career games. Plus, he's in his 30s now. I wish there was a more stat-friendly way to break down blocking. I think his experience keeps him there. I say no.
AP- Too many intangilbles + ST value. NO.
Davis- I like him, but again, i havent seen enough. I think Hill has more talent, but he's a RB, not a FB. I could see hill coming in, and beating out davis as a backup FB, with goal-line/3rd and short HB potential. I say maybe.
Jones- His new contract says no.
To be honest, the place on the roster i think we could shave without ANY impact is TE. With Clark/Olsen/Davis there, what is the point of Mines? Not to say he's not any good, but what possible playing time is this kid EVER gonna see with the Bears?
April 9, 2009
#93 O-Line wins games said . . .BDG, where u at?
April 9, 2009
#94 Phil from SATX said . . .Not to belabor the point but I don't think you can really be "the man" unless you are a 3 down back, games are won and lost on 3rd down.
I really, really hope we take RB James Davis with pick #154, 5th rd. This kid can play, very underrated in my opinion.
But if we haven't picked a RB yet, PJ Hill might be a good pick up. But I would say only in the 6th or 7th rd.
April 9, 2009
#95 BDG said . . .That was excellent, jdawg! I remember that!
Adrian Peterson (up in Minny) is a fantastic beast of a running back. I love watching the guy, except when he's making our guys miss. That said, I loves me some Matt Forte even more - NOT as good of a runner as AP (really not by a long shot), but a MUCH more complete package than AP. The Do-Everything Bear. And it's early, but so far in his early career, he gets injured less and fumbles less. We'll see for the long term.
I like Payne. I think he's going to be a good player.
I hate how much Craig Steltz has reminded me of the Adam Archuleta experiment. Except for the hot wife (or maybe he has one of those too).
I think da Bears have to have a better plan for safety than Bullocks - is it the Earl guy? But they simply can't go into next season crossing their fingers and hoping things will be better in coverage. And Mike Brown is not the answer - I'm as big a historical fan of Brownie's as anyone, and had high hopes for what a healthy Mike Brown could do last year (and he WAS healthy) - and he didn't remind me at all of the old Mike Brown. Again, sign him up as a coach. If he concentrated on that full time, he might really be able to help us, and these young kids.
I think the Pace/Holt thing is akin to the Tommie/McNabb deal. They're buds, and they talk. But there're too many practical reasons for Holt to want to stay in a dome, or at least in warm weather, as he moves into this late stage of his career. I don't see it happening.
With the lost picks and the broad needs, I'm not sure we have the luxury to select another running back, especially with KJ signed.
Still would like to see a Mack signing - that's looking near-impossible now though.
Oh, before I forget
jaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutlerjaycutler
Where were you when you first heard JAY CUTLER IS A CHICAGO BEAR!!!!! ?
Something we'll always remember.April 9, 2009
#96 The Ghost of Halas said . . .I like P.J. Hills potential also. He could be a good short yardage guy. If they did draft a back like him I think the only logical RB spot would be A.P.'s. He is great all around player but with Wolf taking on a more prominent ST role I think his days are numbered. Fontel Mines is just a practice squad guy with no real roster spot and I think Davis is probably gone now that McKie is healthy. I think it is a lot harder to switch a RB to a FB than people think. It's a whole different skill set and mentality. I would like the bruiser if we could get one but I would rather get a good FB that has some running skills like Tony Fiammetta fron Syracuse. He will be a good replacement for Mckie and we could keep A.P.
April 9, 2009
#97 Adrian PETERSON said . . .Take it with a grain of salt...but I recall Lovie Smith saying that Adrian Peterson always had a place on his team.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Peterson would be a good undersized fullback.
April 9, 2009
#98 Adrian Peterson said . . .The Ghost of Halas-Like I said before dumb shit. Forte had the numbers because you had no one else.
My rookie year is nine game gained 500 more then that pussy Forte.
He's a three down back because you have no one else.
He had so may catches because you had no one else to throw to.
He had to play all the time because you have no one else.
If he had a quality back like CT backing him he would be a three down back. Shit he may not even play.
You can talk all the shit you want. I say by game three this year the guy gets hurt. Mark my words. He will be another Grant.
Which is why all you oxygen deprived fools want the drunk from Wisconsin.
Leave it to Chicago fans to turn to Wisconsin to help them out.
I may have fumbled a few because I'm fighting for the extra yard or two. Forte can't fumble because he goes down before he gets hit.
Check the fumble he had. He barely got touched. He dropped the rock.
All I can say is one year wonder.
April 9, 2009
#99 The Ghost of Halas said . . .Hey, who posting in my name. Well he's right on man.
Must be Jeff.
April 9, 2009
#100 BDG said . . .Hmm. No. Forte had the numbers because he's the best.
April 9, 2009
#101 Duff Diggler said . . .Man I wish they would develop a minor league system for football. I love keeping tabs on my on the guys in the minors for baseball and see them develop. It would be great if we could see guys like Rideau play in games and get a better feel on them. They should expand the roster's and have call ups where the young guys are protected from the other teams. Basically expanded practice squads that actually play each other. They could expand the draft a few rounds. I'm sure there are lot's of very skilled or physically talented players that never really get their shot.
April 9, 2009
#102 Duff Diggler said . . .....as if pulling someone from Wisconsin (U of) into any NFL team has any relevance....
You ARE an idiot. Not to mention that ur posing as and speaking for someone you're not....
stop being a vicarious little bitch, and man up.
April 9, 2009
#103 Adrian Peterson said . . .and i'm all for minor league football. From what i understand, one of the biggest hang-ups on that is the players association. With the folding of NFL europe, the only way a minor league would be possible is if all the players took a small pay cut to help the owners share the burden.
I say start it with 8 teams. one for every division. Have each team put 12-15 players on them, have exclusive rights to them, and be able to call them up at any time.
I'm torn a little on when to have it....
If they have it in the offseason, it'll create more attention, and have a greater financial chance of success. But the guys might not be in game shape during the NFL season.
If you have it during the season, and say they play on tuesdays... Will the guy be ready to play on sunday if called up?
April 9, 2009
#104 The Ghost of Halas said . . .And Duff Diggler is who you are? Your mama's a bitch.
The Ghost of Halas-Forte's the best only proves your are an idiot.
Forte a three down back with 316 carries and 1200+ yards.
AP, a two down back with 363 carries and 1700+ yards.
April 9, 2009
#105 Murph said . . .You're not a very good debater, Mr. Peterson. Once you start name calling you concede to defeat.
And Matt Forte is still the best Running Back in the NFC North.
April 9, 2009
#106 Duff Diggler said . . .Phil....I was sitting at a card table in Las Vegas....a guy sat down wearing a Bears jersey, I asked if he was from Chicago or just a fan. Next thing out of his mouth was the Bears got Cutler. I grabbed my chips and headed to the nearest news source to find out all I could. Im still smiling about it! Where was everyone else?
April 9, 2009
#107 BDG said . . .My "mama's a bitch?" Wow....
excellent football analysis. You certainly are one credible and classy guy. But i think were having somewhat of a breakthru here... This is therapy to you isn't it? Mommy issues of your own? Or are you still so upset that Cutler is a Bear. It's ok. You can tell us...
April 9, 2009
#108 Duff Diggler said . . .I think they would have to play during the season. Tuesday's would be good. If they implemented something like this the Players Association would probably have a fit because teams could develop rather than splurge on free-agents and all this ridiculous money on the draft. They could force the pay scales back down.
I know it probably would never happen but would be niceApril 9, 2009
#109 Albert in Tucson said . . .I think that would work. A key part of that would be the cap on rookie contracts thing they keep talking about.
April 9, 2009
#110 Foxtrot Tango Packers said . . .Fox Radio's Steve Czaban quoted a source who says that reason Holt has gone unsigned so far is because his knees are in bad shape.
On the other hand, Vaughn McClure wrotes in yeasterday's Trib that Orlando Pace is lobbying his former teammate to join him in Chicago.
Yo, Adrian!
Feel free to ignore the stats that don't help your case. Like those NINE fumbles.
AP: 10 TDs. 9 Fumbles.
Matt Forte: 12 TDs. ONE fumble.
Rashaan Salaam, 1995: 10 TD 9 fumbles.
April 9, 2009
#111 Duff Diggler said . . .But AP (the purple one)
notice how Bear fan's still talk football, but you can't, can you?
all you can do is say he's the best, and not really understand how/why?
back it up, and then we can have a real debate. believe me, my counterparts have posted more than enough of Forte's/Peterson's stats for you to go off of.
congrats of having a good running back, how's that QB situation coming in Minn these days?
Chicago's is all taking care of
April 9, 2009
#112 Duff Diggler said . . .That's one of the things i love most about this blog. Sometimes, some of us think others of us are total jack-asses, but all it takes is an idiot like AP to bring us all together, on the same page. So, i guess we should thank you, AP, for being such an incredible douche....
April 10, 2009
#113 Adrian Peterson said . . .btw, here's another thing i've noticed....
inbetween 5 and 7pm est, this blog slows down considerably. Which would lead me to believe that you are all coming home from work and eating dinner. If that's so, aside from BDG, who's a degenerate gambling unemployed waist of oxygen (like myself), that would imply that most of you lazy bastards blog at work. God bless America! Go Bears!
April 10, 2009
#114 Z said . . .Jay Cutler = Jeff George
Matt Forte = One Year Wonder
Erlacher = Washed Up
Lovie Smith = Fired
Bear Defense = 32nd
Chicago Bears = 4th in NFC north
April 10, 2009
#115 Foxtro Tango Packers said . . .Duff you are hitting a little too close to home there.
AP those are great predictions. Do you actually base them on anything or are we using too big of words for you?
April 10, 2009
#116 BSamps said . . .if i could actually remember anybody worth naming on the vikings to talk crap about them, i would
April 10, 2009
#117 DA bears said . . .dude adrian peterson, why do you ACTUALLY think your him? get a life. For real. and you said something about forte averaging 3.6 years per carry, its actually was 3.9. which aint bad for a rookie. and he will only get better.
April 10, 2009
http://ihateliz.com/?id=11vaop2gn73cepsg0m8gzpkgp2thmj
this is funny
April 10, 2009
Here at DaBearsBlog, you are free to kill us or the Bears as you so wish. You are not free, however, to be an asshole. So if you spew racism or ill-meaning foul language (cursing about football is just fine) or anything of that ilk, your comments ain't gonna last long, jerk.